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04-11-2021, 06:36 PM | #8461 |
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Almost 20 minutes into the Go-Onger and Gekiranger crossover movie and I'm already seriously enjoying it.
EDIT: Just finished watching the movie and it's definitely among my Top Favorite Super Sentai crossover movies along with Megaranger vs. Carranger, Timeranger vs. GoGo Five, Gaoranger vs. Super Sentai and Abaranger vs. Hurricaneger. I also really liked Magiranger vs. Dekaranger, Boukenger vs. Super Sentai and Dekaranger vs. Abaranger. For now, I'm done with the Super Sentai crossover movies and it's onward to Samurai Sentai Shinkenger. Last edited by GuardianAngel87; 04-11-2021 at 09:08 PM.. |
04-13-2021, 07:21 PM | #8462 |
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~Fish's Zenkai Tour!~
Episode 6 – Dai Sentai Goggle-V "The one with the ribbons or whatever?" If you had asked me to describe Goggle-V off the top of my head before watching this premiere, that's about as good a description as I could give you. I mean, sometimes it definitely seems like that's all Toei themselves even remember about the show, given how references to them down the line generally play out. Here's the thing about that though – it's not at all hard to see why that's the distinctive element Goggle-V gets boiled down to, because thematically, it's a little all over the place and complicated to describe. Please bear in mind how much I praised Sun Vulcan for the digestible concept of all the animals under the sun fighting against technology as I attempt to summarize the follow-up to that. Essentially, the show is about a struggle between the forces of Evil Science, and those of Good Science, which is simple enough on the surface, but the way that has to be filled out is where things get muddled. The team's suits incorporate notable ancient civilizations as a motif, connecting to the greater technology theme by representing the wish to never see what humans have built up destroyed again. This is admittedly kinda neat for how weirdly emotional it is, and it's also something that is not at all self-explanatory. A strong point of most Sentai suit designs is how looking at them can give you immediate context for what the show is about, even with no prior knowledge, and yet with Goggle-V, that process is completely backwards, which is hard not to see as a flaw. The team's fighting style also features an emphasis on rhythmic gymnastics, of all things, hence the ribbons, which ties into the larger themes because... uh... I think just because Toei wanted to spice up the fight scenes. You can maybe see why it's hard to pin this show down to one broad idea now? Like, why aren't the ribbons a valid choice? Even the title of the show is some second choice afterthought. The working title that they were likely never even planning to use, Mirai Sentai Miraiman, actually reflects the show's technological focus way better, and the final name is only "Goggle" V instead of "GoGo" V to avoid brand confusion with something Honda was selling at the time. This is a real story! I found that out trying to figure out what the heck goggles had to do with this show, and I still don't even know why they're named after eyewear. It's a bit of a mess, is what I'm saying! But now that I've spent most of this post totally ragging on Goggle-V, I should probably hurry up and mention that I thought the premiere was pretty good! Nothing to complain about, even. We're basically back in Denziman territory, with a group of civilians, presumably with attitude, who are recruited to stop the baddies for the year, and using that formula again after that gap with Sun Vulcan made me realize how much I actually prefer this approach. It's a lot trickier to establish personality when your protagonists are all gruff military prodigies than when they're people from completely different walks of life. Even without time for establishing deeper personalities, as is the case in a fast-paced first episode, simply seeing the protagonists having different hobbies or careers instantly makes them distinctive, and there's obviously a lot of value in that for a Sentai. Not much about this formula is different from the last time they used it, but like I said, that's mostly a testament to how perfectly Denziman already had things nailed down. That aforementioned technological focus is Goggle-V's biggest distinctive element, and something I found rather charming. As I touched on with the whole secret agent fascination, hero tokusatsu is in large part about appealing to the dreams of children of the times, and it's neat to see the burgeoning recognition of just how much the rapid march of scientific progress was capturing the attention of the youth. The support squad at the team's base is literally called the Computer Boys & Girls, which I tell you, without the slightest hint of irony, might be one of the most genius ideas a toku show in 1982 could have. Being a little kid who gets to push buttons to help out the heroes is such a perfect fantasy to offer to the target audience like that. This is the era when personal computers were still a luxury item for a household, you know? Something kids would see in magazines, or at that one particular friend's house on weekends if they're lucky. They were mysterious, and cool, and kids admired them. I know those first paragraphs made it sound like I was decrying this show for bad theming, but that's not my point. Goggle-V has complicated themes, but many of the choices the show made were still very considered and strong. It was fun to finally give this one a slightly closer look.
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04-13-2021, 07:48 PM | #8463 |
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First thing that come to mind with Goggle V is that Haruta is Goggle Black, Goggle Pink seemingly was one of the reasons some folks got into the show in Japan at the time, and gymnastics.
But yeah Fish, this show's all over the place. Like they could not decide if they wanna be Proto-Ohranger or Gymrangers.
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04-13-2021, 08:07 PM | #8464 |
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Well hey, they were totally onto something there, if Kimberly is any indication.
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04-13-2021, 09:14 PM | #8465 |
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Episode 6 – Dai Sentai Goggle-V "The one with the ribbons or whatever?" If you had asked me to describe Goggle-V off the top of my head before watching this premiere, that's about as good a description as I could give you. I mean, sometimes it definitely seems like that's all Toei themselves even remember about the show, given how references to them down the line generally play out. Here's the thing about that though – it's not at all hard to see why that's the distinctive element Goggle-V gets boiled down to, because thematically, it's a little all over the place and complicated to describe. Please bear in mind how much I praised Sun Vulcan for the digestible concept of all the animals under the sun fighting against technology as I attempt to summarize the follow-up to that. Essentially, the show is about a struggle between the forces of Evil Science, and those of Good Science, which is simple enough on the surface, but the way that has to be filled out is where things get muddled. The team's suits incorporate notable ancient civilizations as a motif, connecting to the greater technology theme by representing the wish to never see what humans have built up destroyed again. This is admittedly kinda neat for how weirdly emotional it is, and it's also something that is not at all self-explanatory. A strong point of most Sentai suit designs is how looking at them can give you immediate context for what the show is about, even with no prior knowledge, and yet with Goggle-V, that process is completely backwards, which is hard not to see as a flaw. The team's fighting style also features an emphasis on rhythmic gymnastics, of all things, hence the ribbons, which ties into the larger themes because... uh... I think just because Toei wanted to spice up the fight scenes. You can maybe see why it's hard to pin this show down to one broad idea now? Like, why aren't the ribbons a valid choice? Even the title of the show is some second choice afterthought. The working title that they were likely never even planning to use, Mirai Sentai Miraiman, actually reflects the show's technological focus way better, and the final name is only "Goggle" V instead of "GoGo" V to avoid brand confusion with something Honda was selling at the time. This is a real story! I found that out trying to figure out what the heck goggles had to do with this show, and I still don't even know why they're named after eyewear. It's a bit of a mess, is what I'm saying! But now that I've spent most of this post totally ragging on Goggle-V, I should probably hurry up and mention that I thought the premiere was pretty good! Nothing to complain about, even. We're basically back in Denziman territory, with a group of civilians, presumably with attitude, who are recruited to stop the baddies for the year, and using that formula again after that gap with Sun Vulcan made me realize how much I actually prefer this approach. It's a lot trickier to establish personality when your protagonists are all gruff military prodigies than when they're people from completely different walks of life. Even without time for establishing deeper personalities, as is the case in a fast-paced first episode, simply seeing the protagonists having different hobbies or careers instantly makes them distinctive, and there's obviously a lot of value in that for a Sentai. Not much about this formula is different from the last time they used it, but like I said, that's mostly a testament to how perfectly Denziman already had things nailed down. That aforementioned technological focus is Goggle-V's biggest distinctive element, and something I found rather charming. As I touched on with the whole secret agent fascination, hero tokusatsu is in large part about appealing to the dreams of children of the times, and it's neat to see the burgeoning recognition of just how much the rapid march of scientific progress was capturing the attention of the youth. The support squad at the team's base is literally called the Computer Boys & Girls, which I tell you, without the slightest hint of irony, might be one of the most genius ideas a toku show in 1982 could have. Being a little kid who gets to push buttons to help out the heroes is such a perfect fantasy to offer to the target audience like that. This is the era when personal computers were still a luxury item for a household, you know? Something kids would see in magazines, or at that one particular friend's house on weekends if they're lucky. They were mysterious, and cool, and kids admired them. I know those first paragraphs made it sound like I was decrying this show for bad theming, but that's not my point. Goggle-V has complicated themes, but many of the choices the show made were still very considered and strong. It was fun to finally give this one a slightly closer look. Its a perfectly fine show in its own right and the rangers, while certainly not deep, have enough character to keep things from being boring, almost all of the unique elements it sets up in the first episode, the relationship between people and technology, the ancient civilizations, the entire concept of comboy, are either completely ignored or handled in such a generic for the time way that it makes the first episode kind of hilarious in hindsight. I remember Comboy in particular disappointing me since, as somebody who likes it when they incorporate kids into tokusatsu in ways that allow them to actually contribute the the story beyond just being walking plot devices, the idea of a team of rangers acting as mentors to a team of super smart elementary schoolers seemed like a really fun concept that ultimately changed nothing about the standard showa formula beyond giving them an excuse to have a bunch of kids around who do nothing that can't be accomplished by either the female 'assistant' character and/or the kid of the week. Again, Goggle V is a perfectly fine show in its own right its just... there's a reason why ribbons are the only thing Toei seems to remember about this show. |
04-14-2021, 01:40 AM | #8466 |
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I mean, Zanekiaher’s OP, in its quest to squeeze in a lyrical shout out to every Sentai, actually went with something else for Goggle V.
Anyway, this is the first Sentai to be head written by Hirohosa Soda instead of Shozo Uehara. As you might’ve surmised during your Kakuranger watch last year, he’s one of the most prolific Sentai head writers there is (heck, according to someone on Twitter who did the math, he has the most series to his name, with 9), plus the longest unbroken streak spent writing for Sentai (Arakawa has too many years off to match him). |
04-14-2021, 02:49 AM | #8467 |
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A bit like Denjiman though, I can't hate Goggle 5 too much, even though it's not that great or anything I do like the look of the show in terms of earlier 80s sentai. I mean it was at least the earliest sentai to be shown in a couple of countries, so there is that!
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04-14-2021, 05:17 PM | #8468 |
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Up to episode 18 of Shinkenger and I'm honestly questioning if this series is really all that good as a lot of Sentai fans supposedly said it is. Yeah, I know. Blasphemy.
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04-14-2021, 08:19 PM | #8469 |
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I felt Shinkenger was pretty dull. Not bad, just a bit on the boring side.
Then again, I watched it when I was heavily depressed, so who knows, maybe I was just being extra mean. Dunno
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04-14-2021, 08:40 PM | #8470 |
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I liked it because we had a cool and brooding red ranger for a change, a mediocre sushi chef who is super smart that he came up with his own digitized version of a mystical power, and the rest I won't say cause do not wanna spoil things for you. Also the casting was great.
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