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07-09-2023, 12:22 PM | #591 |
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My problem with Tsukuyomi's arc is that it suffers from the same bad plotting and Time Nonsense that Zi-O runs on. Like, it's kind of ridiculous how Episode 31 starts with a trivial discussion about her previously unmentioned memory loss and ends with Swartz conveniently showing up to give hints about her mysterious past (uh, future?). Tsumuri has a little more foreshadowing than that.
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07-09-2023, 02:03 PM | #592 |
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If Ace wants to create a world where everybody can be happy, then of course "everybody" would include Ace himself.
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Should Neon give up her desire for true love, or Win give up his desire to become a famous rockstar?
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Even Ryuki had Shinji, Ren, Yui and Tezuka.
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07-09-2023, 04:34 PM | #593 |
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Hongo wanted a normal life and to continue university/participate in bike racing, but had to put others first when he became a Rider. Literally every Rider series is about the main hero putting their desires aside for others. I would even go so far as to say that every Rider series to date (although Geats' is debatable, but the show isn't finished yet so it doesn't really count), has had a pivotal moment in which the Rider has to set aside their personal wants in order to achieve what objectively needed to be done. |
07-09-2023, 07:15 PM | #594 |
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Excuse me, what? That literally is the criteria for being a hero, and more importantly, what being a Rider is all about.
Hongo wanted a normal life and to continue university/participate in bike racing, but had to put others first when he became a Rider. Literally every Rider series is about the main hero putting their desires aside for others. I would even go so far as to say that every Rider series to date (although Geats' is debatable, but the show isn't finished yet so it doesn't really count), has had a pivotal moment in which the Rider has to set aside their personal wants in order to achieve what objectively needed to be done.
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07-09-2023, 08:01 PM | #595 |
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I think what sets Kamen Rider apart from other super heroes is the acknowledgement that the ideology of "Heroism" and "Justice" can be corrupted and misappropriated for evil. In the height of WWII, every participating country had their heroes, but it wasn't until it ended that those same heroes were now war criminals on the basis of having lost the war. You win the war, you become the heroes through control of the narrative.
Although it may seem less so today, I think Ishinomori didn't want to concern himself with heroes and rather advocated for nature, life, and peace. Kamen Rider is about characters with heart and soul that typically manifests itself as compassion for other living things; and the solemn sadness of being forced to sometimes end lives to save lives. There's an absolutely beautiful moment in Black Sun that reminds us of this notion where the Creation King breaks free from his captors and slaughters everyone in the room. When Minami and Akizuki confront the horrors of the scene, one of them exclaims: Is he crying?.
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07-09-2023, 08:32 PM | #596 |
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I think what sets Kamen Rider apart from other super heroes is the acknowledgement that the ideology of "Heroism" and "Justice" can be corrupted and misappropriated for evil. In the height of WWII, every participating country had their heroes, but it wasn't until it ended that those same heroes were now war criminals on the basis of having lost the war. You win the war, you become the heroes through control of the narrative.
Although it may seem less so today, I think Ishinomori didn't want to concern himself with heroes and rather advocated for nature, life, and peace.
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07-09-2023, 10:23 PM | #597 |
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I suppose another in-universe take on how "justice" as an ideal can be twisted is with the Yummy from OOO Ep. 21.
Born from a guy who wants to change things, but his desire and his Yummy don't seem to care how far they go or who they end up hurting. https://www.kamen-rider-official.com/zukan/phantoms/582 |
07-10-2023, 10:01 AM | #598 |
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So I didn't say anything about whether it was heroic or not. Basically, it depends on the circumstances. In the case of Ace, it is unlikely, because he had about 40 more mothers and he was looking for Mitsume for the sake of answers. I simply replied that he didn't do it, which I think we can both agree on.
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For sure, Ryuki actually has several morally good characters if you look beyond the Riders. There's also Reiko, Okubo and Gorou. Quote:
Excuse me, what? That literally is the criteria for being a hero, and more importantly, what being a Rider is all about.
Hongo wanted a normal life and to continue university/participate in bike racing, but had to put others first when he became a Rider. Literally every Rider series is about the main hero putting their desires aside for others. I would even go so far as to say that every Rider series to date (although Geats' is debatable, but the show isn't finished yet so it doesn't really count), has had a pivotal moment in which the Rider has to set aside their personal wants in order to achieve what objectively needed to be done. Even in the Showa Era, there are examples of protagonists becoming Riders for their own sake. Shirou asked Hongo and Ichimonji to make him a Remodified Human so he could get revenge on Scissors Jaguar for killing his family. Jo tricked Black Satan in to making him a Remodified Human so he could get revenge on them for killing his brother. They fight for humanity as well, but it was still their personal desires that set them on the lonely yet heroic path of Kamen Rider. Quote:
I think what sets Kamen Rider apart from other super heroes is the acknowledgement that the ideology of "Heroism" and "Justice" can be corrupted and misappropriated for evil. In the height of WWII, every participating country had their heroes, but it wasn't until it ended that those same heroes were now war criminals on the basis of having lost the war. You win the war, you become the heroes through control of the narrative.
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07-10-2023, 10:46 AM | #599 |
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I imagine DGP could grant Neon's desire for true love by creating artificial parents for the artificial daughter
So that later these parents become riders in order to get a daughter corresponding to them. Yet we have seen how much Neon wants love, but have not yet seen how much she loves. Plus, does she really need parental love? That is, the parents are to blame that Neon lacks love, but still she is already an adult woman. A bit too late to catch up. Quote:
Regarding Win's desire, DGP could also just make him more talented, like how Sae wanted an athletic body that never deteriorates with age.
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07-10-2023, 10:49 AM | #600 |
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