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05-21-2021, 11:53 AM | #271 |
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The guy playing Suzuki went on to play a regular role in Decade. I won’t say who, since I’m not sure it qualifies as a spoiler (most people don’t think things in the first episode count as spoilers). And as mentioned, his dad is Chalice (which as one person pointed out, combined with Otoya being in the scene, kills the emotional impact the scene might’ve had).
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I’ll point out that, as someone who watched the Den-O movies before the show, and not in chronological order, this was my first (and for a time, only) experience with Takeru Sato. Compared to the various leads other Den-O movies went through (they seemed to be drawing names out of a hat), he didn’t do much for me here.
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It feels like there's a dual awareness in the making of this film: Ryotaro's story is over (and/or the actor is sick of doing these), but the Imagins can definitely keep going. It's a subtle shift, but you can see it in how minimized Ryotaro is in this story. This is a toe in the water of Den-O Without Ryotaro. I accidentally posted a Den-O movie in a Kiva thread, so I don't think it's you who needs to apologize. Quote:
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Yeah, just another Den-O fan walking in here to say Not A Good Movie! Best I can say for it is that I find it so forgettable I can't recall anything that makes me outright dislike it, so I'm just like I Don't Care. About the only thing I remember is that Kiva and Climax Form teamed up? I guess? Who cares, really.
The perils of going into stuff blind: I did not know that this was as relevant to Kiva's story as the Fourze summer movie was to Wizard's story! Sort of assumed that they'd give Kiva more to do! Definitely regret watching it instead of another episode of Kiva! The next one is called "Unfinished: Daddy Fight", and I assure you I am more excited to watch a Kiva episode called DADDY FIGHT than any other option that exists on this big blue marble that's spinning through space! Much like the construction and execution of Climax Deka, I made a series of cascading errors! This is is the last Den-O thing I plan on watching until Kiva's done, though, and I'll probably end up crossposting this movie post to the Den-O thread for, like, completion's sake.
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05-21-2021, 12:54 PM | #272 |
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The perils of going into stuff blind: I did not know that this was as relevant to Kiva's story as the Fourze summer movie was to Wizard's story! Sort of assumed that they'd give Kiva more to do! Definitely regret watching it instead of another episode of Kiva! The next one is called "Unfinished: Daddy Fight", and I assure you I am more excited to watch a Kiva episode called DADDY FIGHT than any other option that exists on this big blue marble that's spinning through space!
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Does this mean you're still considering my suggestion of watching Chou Den-O & Decade between Decade Episode 15 and 16? Or is that unlikely due to your vague "big plans" for that show?
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05-21-2021, 01:01 PM | #273 |
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Mmmmaybe. There's no reason why it couldn't fit in, with or without conforming to what the Decade thread'll hopefully look like. (Which we'll be talking about around the mid-point of Kiva, probably after the next movie.) I don't see why not? I will try to remember!
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05-21-2021, 01:25 PM | #274 |
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Mmmmaybe. There's no reason why it couldn't fit in, with or without conforming to what the Decade thread'll hopefully look like. (Which we'll be talking about around the mid-point of Kiva, probably after the next movie.) I don't see why not? I will try to remember!
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05-21-2021, 01:41 PM | #275 |
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That said, again without spoiling much; the preceding Decade episodes do lead into it... kinda, sort of. I mean it doesn't matter that much but y'know
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05-21-2021, 01:57 PM | #276 |
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Just stick to air date order for everything and it'll be fiiiiiine, probably. If something weird happens becauses of that, well then you can state that as a flaw on the production's part : P
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05-21-2021, 03:15 PM | #277 |
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It feels like there's a dual awareness in the making of this film: Ryotaro's story is over (and/or the actor is sick of doing these), but the Imagins can definitely keep going. It's a subtle shift, but you can see it in how minimized Ryotaro is in this story. This is a toe in the water of Den-O Without Ryotaro.
I guess in many ways this was the proving ground for a lot of later decisions with the Toei toku shows, and I don't necessarily think that those were bad decisions, but I do have mixed feelings. Not, of course, that I can complain, because I keep turning up for these new Den-o movies even when they have very little substance—arguably even less substance than this one. |
05-21-2021, 03:32 PM | #278 |
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I've mentioned this before, but my first exposure to anything from Den-O was Momo's appearance in that Ex-Aid/Sentai tournament film. My second exposure to anything Den-O was seeing Cho Den-O get crucified in a park during an OOO movie. The idea that the actual Den-O series was about Ryotaro And Some Monsters, instead of Some Monsters With Ryotaro... it's still a thing I feel like I haven't fully processed. In a lot of ways, Momo is still the main character of the Den-O franchise to me, and I'm guessing that experience is neither unique in the fanbase, nor an unintentional consequence by Toei.
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05-21-2021, 03:40 PM | #279 |
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It's a bit hard to explain, because even saying something like "they're always there which is comforting" isn't exactly accurate to my Rider experience (aside from Den-OOO they weren't really present for my initial journey of W through Build, and then the part of the franchise I've come to love the most ended up being before Den-O even existed), but... I dunno. Just a bunch of fun guys I'm always excited to see!
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05-21-2021, 08:39 PM | #280 |
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Wow. I just realized that I don't think there are any modern Rider characters that I was introduced to before seeing their original series. Showa, yeah, but I actually did go through the whole Heisei era in order and never had to deal with weird movie versions of characters giving me anchoring bias.
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