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05-26-2022, 08:58 PM | #1221 |
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It's over? Already? Huh. Okay. Well...
So, I never did get around to some of the post content of Zi-O, though I'm going to be watching Zi-O Vs. Decade/Decade Vs. Zi-O over the weekend, but even barring it all, the series and movies are usually enough for me in those regards (I've only ever seen the post Build content, should really get around to the Ex-Aid Another Ending and others), it's still a satisfying conclusion. It was fun to, once again, go off memory, even if I might have gotten episodes mixed up along the way, or even forgotten the best parts of the less than stellar episodes. It's always nice to see returning cast, even if I've not seen their respective stories, I had fun looking back, learning something new, and even getting a better appreciation for this series' low points. I do have to say, I too, need to get back on track with things, like DonBrothers, which I'm only halfway through now, and other movies and specials I neglected, or never found. I hope you enjoy your break, and I'll be seeing you again for Zero-One (who knows, I might be rewatching this with everyone or something)! Also, that is a very nice crown. |
05-26-2022, 09:33 PM | #1222 |
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It was fun to, once again, go off memory, even if I might have gotten episodes mixed up along the way, or even forgotten the best parts of the less than stellar episodes. It's always nice to see returning cast, even if I've not seen their respective stories, I had fun looking back, learning something new, and even getting a better appreciation for this series' low points.
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05-27-2022, 01:55 PM | #1223 |
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I have returned for Geiz Majesty! (I'm just going to be filling in the rest of the Zi-O timeline here, since I'm currently watching them)
Anyway, in short. The best V-Cinema I've seen thus far! Cross-Z may have had my favorite character and a magnificent suit, and Grease had some fantastic moments and another fantastic suit, but this one just hit all the right notes, and told probably the perfect epilogue to Zi-O. So nice to see the Battle Doctor, the Scumbag, and the Speed Cop altogether, and so many neat details. Like Terui dragging the gunsword, though not as labored as it was in W, really showing how he's gotten used to lugging it around, even swinging it doesn't seem as taxing to him, or DiEnd being chaotic, or even how Geiz Revive Shippu looks similar to Another DiEnd, and just Chad Woz being the best support, while Sougo gets excited when he gets the Ridewatches despite having no clue how to use them (love that boy). But, of course, the star here is obviously Geiz. Even without his connection to the future, he fits the protagonist role perfectly, almost as if he were the real protagonist, and his whole arc in this movie is just brilliant. Also, funny how he came from the future to defeat the future king only for someone to come from the future to defeat him (before he was a demon, he was the Terminator), the one who would save the future. It all works too well. And Geiz Majesty is a great suit! I know people weren't fans of the Ridewatches slapped everywhere, but I liked it. It just worked for me, and given Zi-O, it was almost too good not to do. His Henshin Jingle is also superb, as expected of a Grand Zi-O style powerup for Geiz, which I love how it was all Secondary Riders featured in this special (I know Eternal showed up in the series, but I'm glad we got more W in this Anniversary), and French Woz being the antagonist, which makes perfect sense that if your chosen one fails, just become the hero yourself. Overall, this is a great V-Cinext, and a great movie to boot! Now to watch through Decade Vs. Zi-O, Zi-O Vs. Decade. |
05-27-2022, 05:45 PM | #1224 |
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Yeah, Geiz'z role in this movie... like, it's about Secondaries, and their motivations, and their proximities to other characters, but this movie never really treats this story as anything other than Geiz (and Friends). It's not a story about Sougo at all, in any way. The whole thing is about Geiz'z arc and Geiz'z heroism. He handles it pretty well!
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05-28-2022, 07:16 PM | #1225 |
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So my internet was down when you were finishing this and I never got the chance to comment live, so to speak.
One thing where we differ is that I like that fact the Swartz's big plan to steal Sougo's powers are basically pointless. It makes sense. He purposely created this basically god of time arrogantly thinking he could just steal his powers, but he turned Sougo into A GOD OF TIME!!!! Of course he was going to be too powerful to steal from. It's a laughinly obvious outcome. But then again it does highlight just how bad of a villain he is, which is a problem. His entire plan was so obviously flawed that most children would be able to see that creating an all powerful god of time and then trying to steal from him was going to have the obvious result. |
05-28-2022, 07:24 PM | #1226 |
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But then again it does highlight just how bad of a villain he is, which is a problem. His entire plan was so obviously flawed that most children would be able to see that creating an all powerful god of time and then trying to steal from him was going to have the obvious result.
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06-03-2022, 07:22 AM | #1227 |
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Before continuing on other movie/extra watch, gotta post this first as both Zi-O thread and this news is recent:
Tsukuyomi's actress Shieri Ohata disappeared from both the Avex Entertainment agency as well as Instagram, without any news on the reason up until now. https://www.instagram.com/p/CeVD_LYv..._web_copy_link (foreign language, but perhaps can be translated)
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06-03-2022, 08:06 AM | #1228 |
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Before continuing on other movie/extra watch, gotta post this first as both Zi-O thread and this news is recent:
Tsukuyomi's actress Shieri Ohata disappeared from both the Avex Entertainment agency as well as Instagram, without any news on the reason up until now. https://www.instagram.com/p/CeVD_LYv..._web_copy_link (foreign language, but perhaps can be translated)
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06-09-2022, 02:22 PM | #1229 |
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Don't know if this'd mean better movies are non-crossover ones (other than Zi-O inherently featuring past characters, in this case secondary tributes).
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KAMEN RIDER ZI-O NEXT TIME: GEIZ, MAJESTY
It?s funny to think that we never really got Geiz?z But Why Heroism moment in the entire year he was on Zi-O. There?re a few explorations of Geiz?z turn from Grim Executioner to Devoted Friend, but we never really delved into his motivations outside of the Marry/F**k/Kill options of his relationship with Sougo. We never knew what Geiz wanted beyond Saving The Future, you know? Quote:
It works because it?s way more fun, and I guess we can thank the King of Time version of Sougo for that. About half of this movie features the best-ever versions of our cast ? a bunch of lunatic high-schoolers ? and it?s enormously entertaining. I literally didn?t care if any superheroes ever showed up. The easy comedy of our cast isn?t dimmed by impending doom; it somehow flourishes beneath its weight. I would happily watch another season of Zi-O with this version of the cast. SWARTZ AS A TERRIFYING HIGH SCHOOL PRINCIPAL! That is in the Top 10 of Kamen Rider ideas for all-time. I can?t believe how much better every single character is in this thing.
Like how Tsukuyomi is still empathetic and altruistic, but was on serious side on the series, thus she'd be a honor type and ought herself and others to apply proper manners to daily lives, though perhaps that'd be what behind her bowing and thanking any help she can get from anyone like Date, Terui, etc (i̶n̶c̶l̶u̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶J̶u̶n̶i̶c̶h̶i̶r̶o̶ ̶d̶u̶r̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶"̶k̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶S̶o̶u̶g̶o̶"̶ ̶p̶h̶a̶s̶e̶), no matter how slight it is. Her being a honor student to become a doctor is one big contrast to the lazy Sougo and Geiz in their ways of helping others. A reminder though in how despite that Tsukuyomi wanted to become doctor genuinely to help people, doesn't mean that anyone becoming doctor (or any other noble professions, like police as in what Terui suggested to Geiz) are that kind of person. While Heure, the childish one previously, was the upbeat, talkative, and eager one to spill the beans of his friend's gossip for more talk, which leads into, an abuse from Ora, who's still aloof and haughty, not the most pleasant person even without her Time Jacker powers/occupation. Actually I'm kinda sick of the abuse slapstick type of comedy Ora does where girls always get free pass from all the shit they pulled, but I'd tolerate this one as Ora was downright sociopathic before. It seems that Sougo's reset, other than giving Riders happy endings like Kusaka below, also was a double edged sword to bring back Swartz too, denied his fate of being handed karmic demise unlike others. Though this actually lowkey puts the world into potential danger again that Sougo is reverted into his early self without his memories, and unlike series such as Ryuki, Rider powers never faded away in Zi-O, so he actually had a potential to turn into the tyrannical Ohma Zi-O at this point. Sougo really should've kept his memories and the lessons he earned here. Quote:
And it?s all still the characters we knew, despite the new reality. Geiz is still a kid who?ll readily accept failure as his birthright, even as he never gives up. There?s no sense of the universe owing him anything other than what he can win, which is both refreshing and sort of aggravating. It?s the same old Geiz thing of focusing on situations as Victory or Defeat, instead of as Helpful or Unhelpful. Outside the context of a grim executioner from the Misery Fields of 2068, we get to see that he?s kind of just as focused as he ever was, to the exclusion of a wider sense of self. He?s dedicated to being a judo champion, but he?s completely forgotten why he ever wanted to do it in the first place. The lesson he learns here is to think about what you?re doing, but to care about why you?re doing it. Being the best at judo originally mattered to Geiz because he wanted to protect people; he?d let that get buried under years of competition, but it was always inside of him, waiting to be unearthed.
I wonder if Geiz forgetting why he wanted to become a judo champion is also related into him becoming more standoffish, where he was perhaps more pleasant in the past when he started judo, and it's unkown why he turned grouchy now. His lesson here seems to be different too with the original Geiz, who was also well-intentioned (like here to protect people as strong judoka), but he had darker traits of possessing black-and-white mentality and also was extreme in achieving his goals, that having good intention can still have you being someone dark (and there are actual villains due to good intention), how you achieve it also matters which he learned, both to Sougo and later Another Riders. Regarding Geiz Majesty, seems that his ability is more limited than those who can summon Riders, that he can only exclusively access the secondary Riders' weapons, when there are other abilities they have without weapons, like G̶e̶i̶z̶'̶s̶ ̶t̶w̶i̶n̶ Knight's Trick Vent. And, the series has established White Woz as being someone who presents a desirable outcome, but in reality is only self-serving, I guess this one gives even more detail of his plans of him wanting to become the "savior" himself to rule the remaining humans, and was like Swartz that he wanted to absorb Geiz's power? Seems that this is his proper closure before Black Woz practically eats him, but his real plan here to envision his world would be more simplistic than I expect. Quote:
That?s the lesson of a lot of Secondaries, you know? The title hero usually has an easier path to heroism; a resolve that marks them as deserving of power. Secondaries usually come at it from a different angle. They?re darker, more conflicted versions of the title character. Their path is one of self-discovery, or even self-acceptance. They have a chip on their shoulder, or a fatalism masquerading as pragmatism, and the arc of their character is to see outside of their grudge/vendetta/selfishness/Kusaka and understand the point of view of the hero. They become the best versions of themselves (well: Kusaka) by their proximity to another hero, and start to see themselves as heroes as well.
A̶l̶s̶o̶,̶ ̶w̶h̶i̶c̶h̶ ̶K̶a̶i̶t̶o̶?̶?̶ ̶Y̶o̶u̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶b̶e̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶c̶l̶e̶a̶r̶ ̶e̶n̶o̶u̶g̶h̶.̶
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06-13-2022, 08:33 AM | #1230 |
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