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07-07-2022, 07:08 PM | #17151 |
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From what I've heard movies fall under a different license entirely from the shows, so it's difficult to get them and that's why Tokushoutsu has only been able to get like... what is it, 2 so far? HBVs I imagine are a similar thing; the magazine licenses are involved.
Really sucks, if they ever release 555 it's going to be so incomplete without the HBV!
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Kamen Rider Revice Episode 34-45
After Episode 33 left me feeling disappointed, I just had to take a break from watching this show. But with Geats coming soon, I wanted to catch up before the final arc, so that I could move on. Sometimes it helps to watch a show in chunks, rather than one episode a week. I think that's definitely true for a show as bumpy as Revice. Surprisingly, there have actually been some improvements, so I'll talk about those first. I loved pretty much all of Episode 42! It was like Revice Legacy Vail Part 6, except with Kinoshita writing instead of Mouri. Genta's and Vail's arc spanning 25 years finally concluded with them facing off in their new Rider forms. It's fitting that Genta got to be his own Rider as himself, not just an instrument of Vail's vengeful will like Junpei was. I'm not sure what "Destream" is supposed to be mean, but damn, that's a cool suit, with how the two horns of the beetle extend from the head and torso. Even Vail got to have some peace, as Genta forgave him and gave him a home inside him. Vail's a bad guy, but Masumi had a point that he was also a victim of NOAH's abuse, so that peace after a lifetime of suffering might be the least he deserved. I totally understand why Toei can't cast a middle-aged dude as the protagonist, but Genta's arc has been a highlight of the show for me. Yukimi's song, My Dream, set the mood as well, reminding that she's his motivation for living. I have mixed feelings about Daiji's arc, but I ultimately liked how it ended. Reminded me a lot of Tachibana's arc from Blade. It's kind of humorous how everybody was complaining about his lack of focus after becoming Holy Live, so the show accomplished that by making him an antivillain. Pretty ironic how the most angelic Rider sided with the devils. I feel like there could have been more of an attempt to explain what was going through Daiji's head when he decided that subjugation of humanity was the right thing to do. Him blaming Ikki's busybody trait was also confusing, since he previously scolded him for not being busybody enough when they found out Demons Driver was killing Hiromi. A lot of it was frustrating and only started to click when Kagerou revealed that he was trolling Daiji the whole time, which is typical Kagerou. Maybe I just really bought Hyuuga's acting. Evilytylive is okay, but I'm going to miss Holy Live's pure angelic look. Another deciding factor of Daiji's return to justice was Hiromi, giving us one last henshin as Demons. I was totally eager to see his return after hearing about it in the rumor thread, although his cheerful "I'm back" immediately after Akemi's tragic death was a serious moodkiller. It does feel like the show doesn't know what to do with him most of the time, which is fair, they brought him back for the fans and maybe that's good enough. He still has an inspirational presence as a kind of veteran Rider, like WEEKEND's equivalent of Yukimi. My favorite part about Hiromi being back is how he interacts with George, like the reference to the punch not landing and George telling him to retire his catchphrase in favor of something less self-destructive. Those two care about each other deep down and I love that! I feel like George needs Hiromi in his life more than ever, now that Masumi has finally succumbed to his injuries from the explosion and he's still trying to come to terms with the devil transplant. Revice is still an extremely flawed show though. Like, the most recent episode where Hiromi's trying to console Tamaki about being stuck on the sidelines. Their situations aren't comparable. Hiromi's basically an 80 year-old, but the only reason Tamaki can't fight is cause nobody will let him, despite having previous fighting experience as the Wolf Deadman. At the start, only Gif's descendants could safely become Riders and Hiromi could only become one at a dangerous cost. But now, it seems like anybody can be a Rider. Hikaru and Aguilera asked to become Riders and hey, now they're Riders. Tamaki asked the same thing, but nope! Hikaru is just meh to me, but I wouldn't be surprised if his haters blamed him for stealing Tamaki's focus. Aguilera is just the Garu to Sakura's Lucky, which is sadly what I expected. Tamaki's always trying his best, but the world seems determined to put him down. I was annoyed how they dragged out Akemi's fate, only for Gif to personally kill her anyway. Maybe I would've been okay with this if her plan to manifest the Giffard Rex Vistamp was actually successful, but she was killed before that could happen and even her dying wish to Daiji fell on deaf ears. I feel like her death was so abrupt and meaningless when she still had a lot more to give, like Kinoshita was just halfheartedly trying to make it edgy again after chickening out of killing Aguilera. Akemi did a brave thing by gambling her life on that plan. She really deserved better than this, guys. The villains make the Time Jackers look good. Other than Vail, there's very little that's interesting or fun about them. Akaishi has one decent scene with a mortally wounded Tasuke, but otherwise he's just screaming incredulous claims about how Gif is some misunderstood alien who wants to make friends with the humans! By threatening to kill them if they refuse! Do any civilians ever ask Gif to verify this, the one to whom they're supposed to pledge loyalty? Nope, they just take Akaishi's word for it. Haven't they ever heard about Benjamin Franklin's famous quote? There's no deeper meaning to this contrived conflict between safety and liberty, it's just people making stupid decisions for the sake of plot. Gif doesn't even speak outside of his pocket dimension and when he does reveal his true intentions to Vice, he sounds like a depressed Evolt. So what am I hoping for in the final arc? Well, Olteca lives, so I think it would nice if he could redeem himself and make up with Tamaki and Aguilera. I liked how his first comment was how foolish they look, since I've been thinking for a while that the WEEKEND uniforms look more like a 90s rock band than an organized resistance. Olteca's actor got the flowers after Episode 28, so I guess his return was improvized? I also want something to happen with Ikki and Vice, since they're supposed to be the protagonists but all they get is that memory loss contract plot, which doesn't really make any sense to me. I'll resume posting in the weekly threads until the show is over, if I have any opinions I feel like sharing. But I'm mostly just ready to see what Geats has to offer.
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Pretty ironic how the most angelic Rider sided with the devils. I feel like there could have been more of an attempt to explain what was going through Daiji's head when he decided that subjugation of humanity was the right thing to do. Him blaming Ikki's busybody trait was also confusing, since he previously scolded him for not being busybody enough when they found out Demons Driver was killing Hiromi.
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My favorite part about Hiromi being back is how he interacts with George, like the reference to the punch not landing and George telling him to retire his catchphrase in favor of something less self-destructive. Those two care about each other deep down and I love that!
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I feel like her death was so abrupt and meaningless when she still had a lot more to give, like Kinoshita was just halfheartedly trying to make it edgy again after chickening out of killing Aguilera. Akemi did a brave thing by gambling her life on that plan. She really deserved better than this, guys.
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So what am I hoping for in the final arc? Well, Olteca lives, so I think it would nice if he could redeem himself and make up with Tamaki and Aguilera. I liked how his first comment was how foolish they look, since I've been thinking for a while that the WEEKEND uniforms look more like a 90s rock band than an organized resistance.
Though Aguilera acknowledged that Deadman's crimes are no light matter, Orteca tried to make both Aguilera and Tamaki feel small about jumping ship. Not necessarily him, but when reduced into only talking shit, some villain's tactics are making heroes feel imperfect (e.g. "deep down, everyone's as ugly as them"), and thereby justify their own significantly deeper imperfections, in this case, perhaps so that Aguilera and Tamaki feel they're only 'pretending to be heroes' or such but deep down they're always malicious to the core like before, and Orteca's just "more honest". But at least this still shows that Orteca still mistreats Aguilera and Tamaki, just in more ineffective manner, thus his last scene in ep. 28 when Giff ate him wasn't about cherishing their memories together, he lamented that he failed to conquer the world. His attempts to rule the world? Running the Deadman cult to gather sacrifices and revive Giff. That requires working together with Aguilera and Julio, that's why the flashback involved them, it's his attempts to conquer the world. It's a subversion of a reveal that seems like they have tiny human side, but turns out it's not. Like Asakura seemingly saving Mika, but turns out it's only done to use her as monster bait. Aguilera herself also later was willing to re-work with Orteca after being betrayed, doesn't mean Aguilera's still fond of him, it's because she had mutual goal.
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07-28-2022, 01:29 PM | #17154 |
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He came from NOAH abuse, but he had committed significantly greater atrocities than any NOAH member, with the probably exception of Agariyama (and dunno how severe he is as he doesn't have that much screentime). Like though Masumi did questionable stuff that needs to be atoned, he's never close to be as bad as Vail, young or old. The theme here is about forgiving yourself (Genta forgiving Vail = Genta forgiving himself, as per how inner demon is a part of yourself), so Vail's maliciousness is better off highlighted here, rather than curbed due to his victim status, as it's how forgiving yourself should be done, fully acknowledging past tragedies and dark traits (as Junpei) and also making amends with oneself to let go from that and attain more inner peace and mental health to live a more fulfilling life. Speaking of Zi-O reference here, this (and perhaps the end of Daiji's arc) should be similar to Sougo accepting his Mirror self, which'd mean Sougo acknowledging his dark traits inside to face the future.
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Holy Live's angelic look and knight motif actually suits his anti-villain phase, now it represents his self-righteousness, with us or against us approach, an example of a display when forces of light and order gets a little bit too hardcore, and get blinded by themselves and their ideals. Daiji leans too much on the order side without Kagerou. Actually chaos isn't always bad/evil thing (and law isn't always good). Chaos can just be about breaking a law if it blocks you from doing good (about a non-pragmatic approach). About Daiji scolding Ikki for not being busybody enough, the line happened once, so it seems to be a throwaway scenario tbh, feels like Ikki has developed to be less of a busybody, but not getting rid of that trait entirely, like how Giffard Rex is obtained, by intervening when Genta almost died. There are several people still chastising Ikki for being busybody too in these late episode discussions too.
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There's a difference between 'caring deep down' and 'changing into a better person'... This George isn't the same guy we first knew (or in this case, likely Masumi's demon manifesting inside him until ep. 25 for some reason). George did terrible stuff to Hiromi (as Demons), and in ep. 29 it's acknowledged in universe and he wanted to atone by helping Hiromi if he can. Previously George gloated about Hiromi being a guinea pig, guilt-tripping Hiromi over Daiji, and mocking Hiromi's heroism (despite being a KR fanboy). Now George cares by not doing that anymore, by instead solemnly warning Hiromi over his body condition, asks if Hiromi would be successful in changing Daiji, and make Hiromi promise to not throw his life away carelessly, overall actual decent approach to someone. And the punch not landing is perhaps Hiromi acknowledging that George isn't like that anymore now, forgiving him (after all, it started with a punch, that part's probably about addressing the terrible things George did, or rather, Masumi's demon).
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As Wolf Deadman, Julio was granted with superpowers, so he can easily crush something much more than normal humans. It's unknown if he's actually a skilled fighter for that, not all those who are involved in a fight are actual fighters, they can just be throwing power around.
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I agree that more Akemi is needed (and actually she didn't get much important screentime before becoming Giffdemos) but Akemi's actually featured more than intended. Kinda like Hiromi, she's intended to only make 1 appearence (in ep. 18), but was upgraded into a recurring supporting character on Sugihara's request: https://www.kamen-rider-official.com/revice/39
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Actually I would appreciate here that Revice doesn't treat crimes lightly, unlike Zero-One in how for all the crimes he had committed, Gai ended up in a better place than much better, less guilty people like pretty much the main cast (Aruto, Fuwa, or Yua). Here Orteca gets arrested by the heroes upon his return, and even someone who is comparatively less evil in Aguilera would turn herself in after the fight ended, which shows lesser evil still doesn't justify itself over greater evil. You may agree with Weekend uniforms being foolish (and still, Orteca's someone in goop drenched mariachi-type of outfit), but without powers or backup, Orteca is currently reduced into this, he can only antagonize others by acting unpleasant and detestable.
Regarding his antagonism towards Tamaki and Aguilera, I actually have a headcanon about that. I think he might be a tsundere, since it's common for those types to act tough and cold as a way to hide their true feelings. This could have contributed to Olteca's sadness about being misunderstood, if he's deliberately shutting people out so he won't get hurt again like what he experienced in his childhood.
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I usually associate angelic motifs more with good than law though. Kagerou is literally called Evil after all, so it's reasonable to presume that Daiji would represent good, considering how he's always talking about right and wrong, which are specific to the good-evil axis, not the law-chaos axis. It just happens that the devils are the lawful party here, but they're lawful evil, so siding with them doesn't mean Daiji's on the side of good, only that he sees it as the only viable option to protect lives at the cost of their smiles. It's a decision based on fear and regret over killing Kagerou, which is part of what makes it hard to understand his motivation and the way he acts.
For Daiji's personality, I feel like, how humans worked here with their demon seems to be like on/off switch button. Kagerou leaving his body, Daiji had drastic turn (but still make sense) of going from righteous to self-righteous. Kagerou coming back to his body, it's like activating the switch that turns Daiji back into his usual tactical, actually righteous self. Though there's a symbolism in even both events, him 'killing' Kagerou, who is unhinged and doing wrong things, is a symbolism about how Daiji can't ever see himself as unhinged and in the wrong. Him accepting Kagerou back, shows now he acknowledged that he can be unhinged, self-righteous, or in the wrong. Quote:
Even before George's confession of repentance, I still think he had some level of respect for Hiromi, to give him the opportunity to punch him. Like he thought he deserved to be punched and was willing to take it without resisting. In Hiromi's case, the first time he probably decided the punch wouldn't make him feel better and the second time was him finally forgiving George with the gentle tap on the chest. It makes sense that George would feel resentment towards his father Masumi now, as that devil transplant likely contributed to his irresponsible behavior that damaged Hiromi's body.
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I mean, if I just got released from a slimy cocoon and suddenly had a guy grabbing me by the collar with a fist in my face, I don't think I'd be in such an amicable mood either. Olteca's petty insult was definitely provoked. I do agree that his crimes shouldn't be taken lightly though, he has a lot of making up to do for sure. But it's not like he's a wealthy president, so there's little need to worry about the show over-rewarding him. If Genta and Daiji can start over by forgiving themselves, then it makes sense that Olteca should be able to do the same. I also want to know what his deal is, since Vail's line about how he "smells like a devil" is still a mystery.
Regarding his antagonism towards Tamaki and Aguilera, I actually have a headcanon about that. I think he might be a tsundere, since it's common for those types to act tough and cold as a way to hide their true feelings. This could have contributed to Olteca's sadness about being misunderstood, if he's deliberately shutting people out so he won't get hurt again like what he experienced in his childhood. And to be honest, I'm kinda sick of that "tsundere" excuse (this trope is actually often used and played in toxic manner, like if it's used on females). By this, then what is the real example of someone genuinely acting malicious and to distinguish those from the "tsundere" ones? Because this type of excuse, can be used on anything, like I've found those who invoke "tsundere" stuff in murderers as in "killing everyone means giving them their own freedom" to make up something "good" ("dere") in them, and that's in someone who did bad things for fun, not the self-righteous ones. Seems like "tsundere" excuses like this abuses the "inherent goodness of human nature" (as "dere" part) to not hold someone or their actions accountable.
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08-06-2022, 01:02 PM | #17156 |
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I guess I was also refering about how Daiji's someone the most uptight and professional among the family, and that his conflict with Ikki at ep. 4 was about Ikki's lack of professionalism in being a Kamen Rider, or him being stern against for anyone who screws up at ep. 24, for what I think is the "order" part, while Kagerou's definitely wanna do whatever pleases him. But anyway I talked about both the good-evil and law-chaos axis (the force of good being too hardcore part).
There are several things in the subtext that could explain Daiji's turn, but I personally don't feel like the symbolism is a perfect match here. Sure, angels can also be problematic, such as the evil Angel Roidmude, but going as far as siding with devils seems weirdly contrary to what an angel is supposed to represent, even if everything else about Daiji's poor decisions kind of make sense. But that's not exactly a problem with the plot, just how I feel about the convoluted implication of what Holy Live represents for the character. Quote:
But which part were you talking about here? Episode 39? Then yeah that's also after George seemingly shed his Masumi demon long ago (which was probably ep. 25, the time his behavior changed) and his vow to help Hiromi at ep. 29. I refer to how the devil transplant's behavior that damaged Hiromi's body wasn't George caring about Hiromi deep down (or Hiromi at that time after realizing what he's up to), as even in that ep. 39 George also apologized for that.
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Sorry for the following but, why'd he gain some justification when, being trapped in a slimy cocoon is a karmic fate after sacrificing so many to Giff (yeah he has been there for time being, but people with crime on that scale or even lower would be held for much longer)?
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And to be honest, I'm kinda sick of that "tsundere" excuse (this trope is actually often used and played in toxic manner, like if it's used on females). By this, then what is the real example of someone genuinely acting malicious and to distinguish those from the "tsundere" ones? Because this type of excuse, can be used on anything, like I've found those who invoke "tsundere" stuff in murderers as in "killing everyone means giving them their own freedom" to make up something "good" ("dere") in them, and that's in someone who did bad things for fun, not the self-righteous ones. Seems like "tsundere" excuses like this abuses the "inherent goodness of human nature" (as "dere" part) to not hold someone or their actions accountable.
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After weeks of putting it off which is entirely unplanned, I finally started watching Kamen Rider Den-O.
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Have fun!
Seriously, because Den-O isn't a show you watch for the plot
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I was referring to the first punch in Episode 21, before George's behavior visibly changed. Even with Masumi's devil warping his personality, George was capable of at least a small amount of empathy, otherwise he wouldn't have given Hiromi the opportunity. Another example is Episode 18, where he expressed concern for Ikki, who was losing himself to his ego after failing to save people from being Giftarian lunch. George actually gave him some important wisdom to help him get better.
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I guess being trapped in that cocoon was better than him being dead like we thought, but being assaulted without provocation immediately after his release was a little excessive, considering how they put him in a new prison anyway. It was just a petty (and humorous) insult though and he didn't even resist arrest. Hardly on the same level of depravity as the more serious offences he's committed, like breaking his promise to Aguilera.
Him not resisting arrest though, he's a normal human for now (outside of vague Vail claims), it also can be that he can't resist multiple (trained) person confronting him at once. I've talked before about how he's now reduced into only talking shit due to how he's now a normal human, he pulled all what he did before via powers like Deadman, Giff Stamp, or Demons (actually, typically villains cause huge damage via powers, their person skills like manipulating can help, but it's still powers that mainly do the job). I don't know if you brought up the breaking promise part due to it being done inherently from his personality (otherwise, it's kinda like personal negative bias to ignore bigger crimes), but overall he's just being harmless here due to having nothing (for the promise he had the Deadman at his favor). And regarding those, yeah the tsundere excuse can be applied to those (not talking about you, and thankfully it's not happened, but just talking hypotheticals, i̶n̶ ̶c̶a̶s̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶c̶h̶a̶r̶a̶c̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶y̶p̶e̶ ̶s̶i̶m̶i̶l̶a̶r̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶h̶i̶m̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶c̶o̶o̶l̶ ̶e̶n̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶w̶a̶r̶r̶a̶n̶t̶ ̶a̶p̶o̶l̶o̶g̶i̶s̶t̶s̶), for example, "Banno still raised his kids and they turned out good".
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Early on, I don't recall being quite as big a Hiromi fan as a lot of people were right away, but I've gotta say, between this and the way he's been characterized in the later stretch of the show, he's genuinely become a pretty dang compelling hero over time.
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