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03-07-2022, 08:33 PM | #21 |
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I find it kind of funny how Vice made a contract with child Ikki to protect his family, yet the first thing he does upon materialising in episode 1 is to try to eat Ikki's mother.
Also, young George cursing is one of the most hilarious things I've heard. I do like how they're playing around with the 'terrible dad' trope in that the dad isn't evil or terrible, but his demon is. Also, with the reveal that the Igarashi siblings have Giff genes in them, the 'terrible dad' trope is also technically applied to Giff, which is kind of funny in a lot of ways.
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03-07-2022, 10:04 PM | #22 |
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How did Genta get the driver, btw?
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03-08-2022, 03:15 AM | #23 |
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03-10-2022, 07:40 AM | #24 |
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Those are some nice and plausible explanations of why Vice can be different and contradicting at Ikki's childhood. Though glad the difference of his behavior is noticed here.
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I do like how they're playing around with the 'terrible dad' trope in that the dad isn't evil or terrible, but his demon is. Also, with the reveal that the Igarashi siblings have Giff genes in them, the 'terrible dad' trope is also technically applied to Giff, which is kind of funny in a lot of ways.
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03-11-2022, 12:27 PM | #25 |
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Before I get in to the discussion, I want to make a quick announcement about spoiler-proofing the formatting for my usual Genome and Machine Parallel talk (I renamed it from Remix since it covers Genomes as well). To reduce the chance of spoilers, I'll be embedding links to the corresponding Machines from now on, instead of typing them out. Now the only way you can get spoiled is to hover over or click on those links. I'll repeat this warning whenever it comes up for your convenience.
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Sounds like a good prediction. Maybe Genta is Gif and that monolith is a phylactery to keep him alive. So then, like Yuki Joji, the Igarashi siblings are also kids of the Devil?! Deadmans was already pretty creepy with the suit designs, but this takes it to another level!
I can't say I called it, since there are a few details I got wrong, but I was pretty close! So the Igarashi siblings aren't quite kids of the Devil, they're his grandkids. While the real Yuki Joji analogy is actually Genta, who is not Gif but was implanted with his DNA, as means "to keep him alive". His heart is connected to his own devil, Vail, who seems to be even more depraved than Kagerou, showing no intention of negotiating with his host. I thought Vail was talking to Ikki about, "the family you always wanted", but based on Buu-san's hint and Ikki's testimony, looks like that part was addressed to Genta instead and he appears to show contempt for Ikki's younger siblings, not even talking to them directly. Only Ikki and Genta. This makes my recent Olteca theory look even more plausible. Now that we know the Igarashis' relation to Gif, it might give new meaning to what Vail said to him before. "You smell like a devil." Maybe Olteca really is an Igarashi after all! Quote:
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As Vail left, now Olteca spend the episode trying to blame George for what he did to the Driver, where George was only confused on what's he talking about. I felt that Vail's reveal at last episode does confirm that it wasn't George who manipulated Olteca, but Vail himself, so obviously George would be confused, not lying here. Don't know if Olteca seeing Kamen Rider Vail finally convinced Olteca it wasn't George here other than him running off. Other than that, the episode still further showed his despicable traits by having jaded view of promises being made to be broken and gleefully doing it. With Olteca now losing both his contract and Demons Driver, as well as likely Vail and Giff (or Akaishi, albeit he warned Olteca to keep focus) taking over I wonder if Olteca's end is actually near now and he's more like Sid from Gaim or such, being made as utterly despicable, but far from the top dog and as it's established Sid was killed gruesomely.
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Genta didn't get the Driver. The Driver got Genta!
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03-11-2022, 03:41 PM | #26 |
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I've been kind of dragging my feet on keeping up with Revice for the last few weeks. I got caught up on the previous two episodes earlier this week, though, and just finished this one. Really wish I hadn't waited, because holy crap did this episode knock me for a loop. I knew that the Chekhov's bathhouse fire was obviously going somewhere, but i never expected to see Papa Igarashi just show up with the Demons Driver, rocking it like it was nothing. I do have some questions about the whole Vice and contract deal, but this episode threw a bunch of answers at us and I really enjoyed how unexpected and intriguing it all was.
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