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05-24-2021, 10:49 AM | #321 |
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Sure! It's definitely an episode that, like the Yuri/Megumi Amusement Park Kidnapping Scooby-Doo Plot episode (probably got the episode name wrong, didn't check the wiki), felt like it was all telling one story. I sort of wish that "one story" had been about a regular cast member, but this was still a solid installment that rooked in (sorry) Wataru, Jirou, and Yuri to react to the Fangire's storyline. It wasn't an unpleasant watch!
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05-24-2021, 01:36 PM | #322 |
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And I'm not talking about monsters only, I'm talking about someone's actions as a whole. While monsters are mostly only be able to be dealt by killing them, I'm also talking someone like Nago, where when he deals with something bad, can be just excessive like to criminals in previous episode (not letting them get away, but don't use excessive force). There's also a 2-parter in Kiva not long before before that deals with monster as living being, someone is now harmless and no longer kill (Oomura), that he deserve to live normally by then, and his trigger (bad music) can be likely dealt with something other than killing. There are times where killing a monster is clearly in the wrong, like Kuroto killing Burgmon in Ex-Aid, because that monster didn't do anything wrong in the slightest. Quote:
I don't want to put words in people's mouths, but I'd be shocked if someone who is as opinionate and curious about Kamen Rider shows as DreadBringer didn't like toku. We don't always see eye-to-eye on these shows, but I never got the feeling that DreadBringer wasn't as passionate about these shows as anyone. We all process art differently!
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KAMEN RIDER KIVA EPISODE 15 - “RESURRECTION: CHECKMATE FOUR”
I wonder if Wataru will be a good dad someday. He’s trying his best, with Biggie. They flat-out tell you that Biggie’s “like a newborn”, so you don’t miss the story they’re trying to tell. It’s all about how Wataru would be as a father instead of as a son. I’d argue it’s maybe a little early in the series to hit those notes, since we’ve barely gotten to see enough of Wataru As A Son, and basically nothing of Otoya As Someone You Would Let Even Hold A Child, to get a ton out of flipping those roles around. (And they are totally flipped, because Otoya needs/”needs” Yuri to feed him in this episode.) With how diffused the storytelling has been on this series, it’s not like we’ve gotten fourteen full episodes to flesh out Wataru’s character. It’s still some pretty broad strokes. But we’re getting a story about him as a dad, and it’s as sweet as you’d expect. Wataru finds himself caring for an amnesiac giant he names Biggie, and it’s all these little jokes about a mountain with the mind of an innocent child, but then there’s real warmth when Wataru and Biggie bond over bike maintenance. It’s cute to see Wataru get aggravated with Biggie’s clumsiness, and it’s extra cute to see them connect in the service of others. And that piggyback ride! Adorable. It’s a sweet 2008 story. Quote:
And it’s an action-packed 1986 story, because “Biggie” is actually Rook, a member of Lucky Clooooh oh oh! Whoops! Sorry! I meant to say that “Biggie” is actually Rook, a member of Checkmate Four. He‘s the same Fangire that killed a lab full of scientists, including Yuri’s mom. He’s also, we learn in this episode, the Fangire who wiped out the rest of the Clawolves in Jirou’s pack. He’s shown to murder rapidly in this episode, coming up with little challenges to overcome for no visible reason other than personal achievement. (Well, there’s also a parfait?) He’s a completely terrifying monster in 1986, executing himself with electricity at any loss and then resurrecting to murder anew.
That duality… it’s interesting? It’s a little too broad, maybe (the choices are Innocent Babe or Relentless Engine Of Death), but it’s got some possibilities. There’s a chance we’ll get into a nature vs nurture thing, see where Wataru’s influence will get him with Biggie/Rook, depending on if Kiva survives the ass-kicking he’s enduring. And we’ve still got to find out why Rook lost his memory, and what caused it to return. Some stuff in there that could be fun to explore.
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05-24-2021, 04:28 PM | #323 |
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Shizuka's impression of (she's the one telling Wataru to leave) of Dai-chan, though she's right at hindsight (but for wrong reasons), is something that people commonly said to people like Wataru in real life (though ironically someone like Wataru refers to Dai-chan as strange here) as a form of (hostility) ostracization to them, i̶n̶c̶l̶u̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶m̶e̶ ̶a̶t̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶p̶o̶i̶n̶t̶.̶
And, like, she's mostly just saying to leave him alone, not, like, shun him. When he's drowning, she helps Wataru save him.
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05-24-2021, 04:52 PM | #324 |
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Please remember 2 things:
And I'm not talking about monsters only, I'm talking about someone's actions as a whole. While monsters are mostly only be able to be dealt by killing them, I'm also talking someone like Nago, where when he deals with something bad, can be just excessive like to criminals in previous episode (not letting them get away, but don't use excessive force). There's also a 2-parter in Kiva not long before before that deals with monster as living being, someone is now harmless and no longer kill (Oomura), that he deserve to live normally by then, and his trigger (bad music) can be likely dealt with something other than killing. There are times where killing a monster is clearly in the wrong, like Kuroto killing Burgmon in Ex-Aid, because that monster didn't do anything wrong in the slightest. I mean you too, if you complain about the use of CGI in KR fights (I can't stand failure CGI too, like an abundance of it in my country's TV airing, but good CGI might deserve appreciation), it's holding back other people expressing art. Same for forcing the show to not implement plot-focus or non-favored genre like horror (I mean if it's bad it can be criticized yeah, but prefering to not do it altogether for the risk of it being bad). Though otherwise thanks for defending... a̶l̶b̶e̶i̶t̶ ̶I̶ ̶d̶o̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶n̶e̶c̶e̶s̶s̶a̶r̶i̶l̶y̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶ ̶t̶o̶k̶u̶ ̶s̶t̶u̶f̶f̶ ̶s̶p̶e̶a̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶g̶e̶n̶e̶r̶a̶l̶l̶y̶,̶ ̶I̶ ̶f̶o̶l̶l̶o̶w̶ ̶K̶R̶ ̶d̶u̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶b̶e̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶m̶u̶l̶a̶i̶c̶,̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶n̶e̶c̶e̶s̶s̶a̶r̶i̶l̶y̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶o̶k̶u̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶I̶'̶m̶ ̶g̶i̶v̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶l̶o̶n̶g̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶m̶e̶n̶t̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶a̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶m̶a̶n̶y̶ ̶a̶s̶p̶e̶c̶t̶s̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶I̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶i̶n̶s̶p̶i̶r̶e̶d̶ ̶b̶y̶ ̶c̶e̶r̶t̶a̶i̶n̶ ̶K̶R̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶w̶ ̶r̶e̶v̶i̶e̶w̶.̶ For Inoue show comparison, it seems that Wataru will be a better dad compared to someone like, Keitaro, who spoils the "child" beyond relief. Wataru has the strictness to tell Dai-chan to not touch the violins when he only causes damage, albeit Wataru does feel regret for being too hard. I guess Wataru's nobility seems to be able to inspire Shizuka here to do the same, who several times insisted Wataru to just call the police to let them take care of Dai-chan before (albeit Shizuka's the one to urge Wataru to save him). Shizuka's impression of (she's the one telling Wataru to leave) of Dai-chan, though she's right at hindsight (but for wrong reasons), is something that people commonly said to people like Wataru in real life (though ironically someone like Wataru refers to Dai-chan as strange here) as a form of (hostility) ostracization to them, i̶n̶c̶l̶u̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶m̶e̶ ̶a̶t̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶p̶o̶i̶n̶t̶.̶ For Rook being a major villain, the ones that is named after a chess piece are, I'd expect for Rook to stay for long time (though several Fangires of the week stay long time between 1986 to 2008). For a major villain who seemingly had amnesia and turned innocent, this also reminds me of Reina Mamiya/Uca Worm on Kabuto. Though I got the vibes of Dai-chan just being two-faced in 2008, seen in him eating a woman who's kindly being concerned for him (ungrateful) when Dai-chan falls in front of door. Rook is a really big troublemaker for the cast, seen currently not in 1, but 2, as both Yuri and Jirou has an intense grudge to him (and further clarifying IXA not being able to be used for those seeking vengeance means bullshit as Jirou is just the same as Yuri, and Jirou has commited more atrocity). And for Rook's cruelty to civilians in 1986, I hope this can make people realize that it can be a cruel view to wish hell for people who are deemed "boring" or "uninteresting", either a fictional character. Even if they're "boring" or "uninteresting", they don't cause harm or disadvantage to others, they don't deserve to be like, suffer or killed, there may be something wrong in someone IMO if they can't tolerate someone being "boring" or "uninteresting" in your eye. |
05-24-2021, 04:57 PM | #325 |
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Folks, let's keep it civil. It is okay to have different opinions, and it's awesome to share them, but let's not make it personal. An opinion isn't a person, and people deserve courtesy and respect. We all process art differently, and we're all here because we want to talk about Kamen Rider. Thanks in advance for your cooperation!
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05-24-2021, 06:47 PM | #326 |
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Folks, let's keep it civil. It is okay to have different opinions, and it's awesome to share them, but let's not make it personal. An opinion isn't a person, and people deserve courtesy and respect. We all process art differently, and we're all here because we want to talk about Kamen Rider. Thanks in advance for your cooperation!
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05-24-2021, 06:57 PM | #327 |
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Maybe? I don't really take it personally when someone's making a generalization about a fandom. It's DreadBringer's opinion based on their experiences. As long as it's not a) disparaging anyone by name, and b) in the context of explaining their feelings towards a Kamen Rider episode, I'm content to let them explain their perspective.
And it's... like, that's the lens we all process art through, our personal experiences and biases and pet peeves and ships and whatever, all of it. If one person has concerns about a type of content, or sees it as indicative of larger storytelling flaws? Fine. Even if I don't agree, I'll live. It's just another perspective. If you think they're talking about you, they probably aren't. It can be interesting just to see how someone else perceives something, though? Hopefully?
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05-24-2021, 07:24 PM | #328 |
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Episode 15 is another very exciting one for my shtick, because the show just got its second TETRA-FANG insert theme! None other than Individual-System, the theme for Kamen Rider Ixa.
And I do specifically mean the theme for Ixa, as in not just Nago, hence why the first time it's playing is when Jirou is using the belt. That being said, while the lyrics mostly revolve around the broad goal of the Wonderful Blue Sky Organization to account for this, even making reference to it being a power passed down through multiple eras, there's a distinctly Nago tone to the sheer reverence given to Ixa, speaking him of as though he were this lone soldier, standing proudly as the only thing between the innocent masses and the sinful creatures seeking to extinguish their lives. It's kinda more apparent comparing it directly to Destiny's Play, which is this very personal song about Wataru's fears and desires, and then this one is just MONSTERS BAD ME GOOD. It's insisting Ixa is a hero in a way that's got the slightest hint of a creepy undertone to it (and while it's another thing I can't describe, I also feel the overall sound matches this idea) which of course means it's a great theme for Ixa. Now if only I could figure out why it's called "Individual-System"... (This song is also a bit special to me because I distinctly remember seeing this exact YouTube video of Kouji Seto performing it live at the very first of the few concerts TETRA-FANG did, and how endearing it was watching him get extremely nervous and choked up trying to express his gratitude for being there with everyone. You can tell how genuine it is because his singing is noticeably worse than in the other songs that night, and it's honestly just really cute? Actually, come to think of it, maybe seeing this before the show itself is a huge part of why the whole "I'm going to sing!" ending of episode 12 left an impact on me?) Anyway, yeah, this episode was another in a string of winners for me, and certainly one of the standout uses of the show's double time period plotting. It had me on the edge of my seat in a way that I did not at all expect from Kiva going in.
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05-24-2021, 07:42 PM | #329 |
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- It's meant to be the spearhead of an organisation that works together alongside it, but Nago, Jiro, Otoya etc all go off on their own individual crusades for various reasons rather than working alongside the system - I'd have to develop this line of thought further (and, well, I don't really care to for any Kiva character), but something something 'Individual System' is a perfect summation of Nago's inner contradictions I dunno, just always made sense for the vibe of this rider
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05-24-2021, 08:02 PM | #330 |
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I actually agree completely (and thank you for the succinct explanation), it's just that for whatever reason, I've never been sure how much of the meaning you can read into it was specifically intended or something, I guess. Maybe it confuses me simply because it's an oxymoron? Might be pretty rude of me to assume that must've been accidental, in retrospect!
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