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07-08-2023, 11:40 AM | #671 |
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And in terms of casting trivia, our female henchman was previously female lead Yoko in Ultraman Z, while our evil Doctor villain was previously main character Takuto in Chousei Kantai Sazer-X (a show where you?ll probably recognise some of the supporting cast if you watch it), and the voice of secondary villain Hudram in Ultraman Trigger (he even uses the latter?s catchphrase after turning into a monster).
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07-08-2023, 03:28 PM | #672 |
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KAMEN RIDER JUUGA VS KAMEN RIDER ORTECA - EPISODE 1
Is it seriously “Orteca”? That feels like an insane question to ask after months of writing about Revice, and in one of the final posts for this thread, but: Seriously, it’s not “Olteca”? All of my subs have said “Olteca”, and I swear that’s what they’ve been calling that guy for episodes and episodes. Except, clear as day on the title screen for this episode, it’s “Kamen Rider Orteca”. I honestly don’t know what to do with that. I don’t want to say it’s all I could focus on in this episode, but it pretty much was. I’m just gonna call him “Olteca”, to keep my brain from hurting quite so much. Let’s move on! I haven’t been able to care a lot about the emotional journey of George Karizaki, and thankfully this miniseries doesn’t seem to, either. It’s very much George in his initial mode of Kamen Rider Super Fan – like, an enthusiastic fan of Kamen Riders; also, a fan of Super-1 – rather than anything too tortured or layered. He’s back to trying to make his Daddy proud via mad science, and he’s having a great time with it. It’s not… it’s not a story with any real deep insights into George’s character, so much as it’s a quick run through of his motivations and immediate goals. He wants to make Kamen Riders look cool, and a recently escaped Olteca is standing in his way. The Olteca side of things is as surface-level as the Juuga side: Olteca’s been sprung from prison, Neo Deadmans, Demons Driver, whatever. It’s Olteca going through the motions, and it’s a shame that after all this time, no one could quite come up with a deeper look into his psychology than Smirking Sociopath. He’s a familiar face to fight Juuga, and that’s about it. Speaking of familiar faces: Rinna and Otta from Drive!!! It’s saying something about how flimsy and inessential this story felt that the best, most memorable part is Rinna from Drive talking about her dissolved relationship with the eternally embarrassing Otta. In a wacky episode where nothing feels especially tethered to reality (I love Olteca, an escaped prisoner on his way to commit crimes, just walking past George), Rinna cartoonishly destroying pictures of Otta is both an episode highlight and lowlight. It’s goofy fun, but it has nothing at all to do with George or Olteca, and it eats up time that’s maybe better spent on addressing the title characters. Or not! I liked the Drive stuff a lot, and I sort of sat through the Revice stuff. Even the shock reveal of Hana/Aguilera being one of the Neo Deadmans is just an Uh Okay moment, rather than anything too mysterious or exciting. It’s a special where I don’t really care about the main characters, and the special doesn’t really seem to care about them either, so let’s just all try and have a pleasant time until the credits roll. I guess I did? Mostly?
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07-08-2023, 03:48 PM | #673 |
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Hilariously, I ended up getting the Juuga Driver in the mail the day the sub of this dropped, and I joked that I’d joined the Humans as Kamen Riders project, resulting in several jokes about UKIP and POTUS 45.
But to explain one moment of weirdness, the reason the girl coworker gets a shot of her with Wizard and the Crocodile stamp is because her actress is the Kamen Rider Girl who was associated with Wizard back when the group had that gimmick (the other two current members were associated with OOO and Gaim). And in terms of other casting trivia, Mr. Takeda is played by the suit actor for Ryugen and Chaser, while George’s male assistant was Zyuohger’s sixth ranger, ZyuohTheWorld. Skit and general thoughts on the special coming next time. Last edited by Androzani84; 11-09-2023 at 09:07 AM.. |
07-08-2023, 04:04 PM | #674 |
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But to explain one moment of weirdness, the reason the girl coworker gets a shot of her wig Wizard and the Crocodile stamp is because her actress is the Kamen Rider Girl who was associated with Wizard back when the group had that gimmick (the other two current members were associated with OOO and Gaim).
Wait wait wait wait. Kamen Rider Girls is still a thing? I didn't quite buy that as an idea back in 201X when it started. How is it still going 10-ish years later? |
07-08-2023, 09:08 PM | #675 |
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They haven't recorded much as of late but they seem to still do rider-related events and promos and stuff. For example, I think they still do Kenichi Suzumura and Hiroshi Kamiya's Kamen Radiranger radio show and take turns appearing as co-hosts.
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07-09-2023, 03:58 AM | #676 |
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I'm gonna wait for part 2 of this to go into detail about it, but I say this much. This special is great! It finally gives these two characters some depth and likeability I never expected to see! Especially for Olteca, which, hilariously catapults him to my most liked character now xD
I did not care for him during the show, but what they do with him here is just great! So, yeah, soooooon~
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07-09-2023, 06:50 AM | #677 |
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So the Geats x Revice movie is discussed here.
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Oh, for sure. I'd've loved to see any of the Phase 1 ladies back again, even if it's just to shove a guard or provide moral support. Luckily, I think Mari ended up in Outsiders, and you can blink and Naomi'll show up in something. I think my biggest wish is to see Kohana reappear, because now she's just Hana's age? Or older, I guess?
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KAMEN RIDER GEATS X REVICE: MOVIE BATTLE ROYALE
I liked the individual components well enough in isolation. Revice got to tell a story about the ways families change and grow without losing their power or substance; and Geats got to tell a story about the difference between fighting for a reward, and being rewarded for fighting. Those are perfect themes for each section to explore, but they never really add up to one complete story. The Revice part just feels like a prologue for the Geats part, and the Geats part barely feels like a Revice story. They don’t… they don’t mesh, really at all. Honestly, the Geats part gets more juice out of its Very Special Legend Rider Guest Stars than it does Ikki and Vice, who are mostly treated like a MOTW victim to be saved. Quote:
Like, the Ryuki cast makes perfect sense in the back half of the film, as a way of contrasting Ace and the gang’s motivations against those of the villains from Ryuki. Ace fights to achieve a goal, while Asakura and Ryuga fight for pointless things like Power and More Fighting and Destruction. They’re destined to lose to heroes like Revi and Geats, because they inherently lack the vision of a world beyond survival and death. In the most delicious irony, Seeker is a construction-themed villain who doesn’t know how to build a better world. The thematic coherence on the latter half of this film is Geats in its goddamn zone.
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(Even the Desire Royale stuff is typically smart commentary from Geats. The Desire Grand Prix represents the way culture and influence commodify our desires; how they sell us our dreams and profit off of our hopes. The Desire Royale is that concept curdled into nihilism: the way hollow, pointless entertainment tells us that hopes and dreams are ridiculous notions in a world of abject cruelty. Also, Tsumuri looks great in her redesign.)
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The Revice bits, though… I just wish they felt less perfunctory, or irrelevant? The cast integration is pretty fun, but Ikki and Vice’s story only ever feels like a runner, and the circumstances of Vice’s resurrection and disintegration lack the compelling details that help make it all feel less authorial in its payoff. Vice comes back because Ikki will do anything to save his family? Fine. I get that Ikki can’t miss a partner he doesn’t remember, but it still sort of sucks that Vice’s big return has such an Any Devil In A Storm feeling to it, instead of an Ankh-esque reunion moment. But Vice leaving again because it was a limited-time miracle? And Ikki’s going to lose his memories again, despite that only ever being a thing from the last contract? It never comes off like an established turn in the story, just a contrivance to put Revice back where the movie found it. I mean, why can’t Ace’s wish be that Vice sticks around? Why vanish Vice for a second time, when you could leave Revice fans with a happy ending? It feels forced, and it’s hard for even a Revice fan like me to defend.
Felt like a deliberate contrast that, in Revice, Sakura had a family member who is a streamer, but in Geats, Neon is the streamer herself. Both are also tertiary Riders who are also female leads (yeah, it's not Tsumuri for Geats), but Sakura is already a capable fighter who became a Rider relatively later, while Neon is a newcomer who become a Rider right off first episode (earliest female Rider debut) and thus has to learn and grow, and Sakura has an ordinary family, but a harmonic one, with Neon having a wealthy family, but dysfunctional one. Their chase scene is a play of a cop chasing a cat burglar, and though it's something comedic, it's still not a good thing for Neon to cause some mess, albeit not unfixable one (or likely also knowing that Sakura would fix those), to slow Sakura down. Same goes for Sakura's abuse on Genta early on, or for Ryuki, what the cast did on ep. 30 for gags of stealing to sell or causing a mess respectively. Medias can play off comedies as if they didn't do anything wrong as it's just for laughs, though these aren't a recurring trait that happens constantly (other than Sakura's), unlike for example, an anime that push the narrative of someone being good and pure but is a tsundere who frequently abuses certain someone with them being viewed on the right consistently.
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07-09-2023, 12:32 PM | #678 |
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I think it's just that he's a baby? It feels like it's just for comedy, not really a serious exploration of a baby's mental state.
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07-09-2023, 12:36 PM | #679 |
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Again, I'll get to it on episode 2 ^^
There is the majority of his character work.
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KAMEN RIDER JUUGA VS KAMEN RIDER ORTECA - EPISODE 2
I guess I just don’t see a real rivalry between Juuga and Orteca, coming out of Revice? This episode tries very hard to create one, though. God, does it ever. Between the Epic Duel at the climax of the episode, and the Frenemy song that soundtracks it, and the whole We’re Destined To Do This Forever capper, there’s an overabundance of work to make Juuga/Orteca either the next Superman/Luthor, or maybe just Daiji/Kagerou. The end of this episode really only works if you see George and Orteca as reflections of each other, fated to fight against the person who knows them best. I just… no? No, that all seems like an invention of this two-parter, not something that is the realization of longform storytelling. Like, Orteca vs Over Demons? Sure! Best scene in this episode is Tamaki confronting Orteca at a department store, and sort of laughing at Orteca’s inability to grow or change in any interesting way. Them two having a blow-off to Orteca’s lazy villainy and Tamaki’s eventual heroism? That would be a hilarious and affecting idea for a TTFC. This is… I mean, it’s funny, but it never really got me to feel anything. It is cute and funny, though, in a minor way. The various Drive references; the reveal that Otta’s secret girlfriend is just a perpetually needy Hiromi; Hana creating the Neo Deadmans just to humiliate Orteca; the series-long recurring gag of Daddy creating utterly preventable problems for everyone but him, and our heroes having to put a positive spin on it anyway. It’s not hysterical, but it’s reasonably fun. Beyond that, I guess this was a failure of a TTFC special? Neither George nor Orteca became any deeper or more interesting as a result of this story, and the world of Revice didn’t gain anything from it, either. It’s a victory lap for two characters who never won anything from me, and the moments of joy were all gained by supporting cast members and Legend supporting cast members. It’s fun, but more or less in spite of the two title characters, not really because of them. There’s nothing left for it but the catchphrase:
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