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08-24-2021, 12:40 AM | #111 |
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It is a monarchy after all. Maybe the former Kiva was behind it.
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08-24-2021, 03:51 PM | #112 |
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I think this was maybe where I was coming from? This is Onodera's origin story, and it's mostly about him really becoming Kuuga. When he decides to fight to protect smiles, that's the moment he becomes a true hero, rather than just someone who enjoys fighting and/or is trying to impress a girl.
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That's just a total Legend Rider thing, though, isn't it? A character gets a Final Form at the end of their series that is practically earth-shattering in its power, then six months later that form is barely sufficient to keep up with the newest Rider.
For this series, I think you can squint a little and see it as Onodera only recently being able to tap into all of Kuuga's power, and not really having the full force of any of them yet. Maybe now that he's embraced his role as Kuuga, he'll be able to harness more of that power? Quote:
I guess I just call Godai Godai for the same reason I call Tendo, Kusaka and Terui by their surnames, since that's how they're typically addressed by other characters. But I can definitely respect that you call him Yuusuke due to that personal connection you feel with him, since I also make exceptions like that for certain characters who I connect with, like Ryuuga who everybody else calls Banjyou. He's always going to be Ryuuga to me.
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KAMEN RIDER DIE: He was grounded in an interesting way, I thought. He played things small and sad, which is the exact right tone for this story. It never became, like, histrionic or whatever. It was just this kid, in a world he was sure he was going to let down.
I thought that part was the most interesting switch-up between Classic and Wee, how the story is centered so fully on a protagonist who fundamentally doesn't believe in the heroic expectations being thrust upon him. Like, that was Classic Wataru's story for maybe two episodes, and the rest was pretty fully about his certainty that humans and Fangires could co-exist. Did that shift in narrative work for you? Did it still feel enough like a Kiva story? ANDROZANI84: Yeah, the divide between humans and Fangires, while obviously truncated for the purposes of this two-parter, did suitably echo Kiva proper, even with this being the one official televised Kiva storyline without the involvement of Inoue and Takebe (the producer). Quote:
ANDROZANI84: He definitely strikes me as the one who handles the people side of things (Tsukasa is the guy who gets things done, Natsumi is the one trying to make sense of this, Grandpa is the friendly old coot and Kivara is an almost literal vamp).
And it is nice to see him working hard to typify and help someone he barely knows after being sent to a strange place. It’s something most people would probably turn down. KAMEN RIDER DIE: I mean, my all-time favorite Kuuga stories are the ones where Godai has to help a kid through a tough time in a non-superhero way, so this was maybe more of what I love from Kuuga than the actual Kuuga spotlight story. Onodera is SO KUUGA in this story. He's got this amazing rapport with this kid, where he's giving Wee Wataru all of the support (emotional and physical) he needs to make the right decision, but Onodera won't ever force Wee Wataru to make that decision. It's got to be that kid's choice, no matter the cost. I really love that type of story, and I thought the Onodera actor 1000% delivered in those emotional scenes. Quote:
KAMEN RIDER DIE: I liked how there's an equal amount of light and dark in this story about Kiva, and how Decade uses its two Riders to get at those feelings. Onodera is the part of Kiva that's optimistic and human, where the world is only a little bit of work away from having room for everyone. Tsukasa is the part of Kiva that will always be aware of its differences, be convinced it's going to all fall apart.
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KAMEN RIDER DIE: I didn't think most of the action in this story was anything special (the final fight against the Fangire was pretty forgettable), but this Kuuga Forms vs Kiva Forms fight! Oh man! So amazing! How'd you like it?
ANDROZANI84: Well I like that they’re comparing and contrasting the equivalent transformations (eg. Titan form vs Dogga). Though I do wonder how Dogga felt forcibly being turned into a sword and a rod KAMEN RIDER DIE: I never thought the weapon forms of the Fangires had feelings/thoughts. A little horrifying if true, but, like: Final Form Ride. I don't know. I don't know if they're aware of themselves in those forms! God, I hope not! Still, I liked how this fight felt like it was for the fans. Who Would Win In A Fight is the most ancient fandom discussion, and doing the Kiva Forms Vs Kuuga Forms part was a blast. It's all those little deep cuts and references getting moments in the sun. A fight like this is so irrelevant to the story being told (Decade and Kiva are basically in two parallel stories after this), but it's real, real fun to watch. Quote:
ANDROZANI84: Well since this is a Kiva thing, I prepared my usual Fact Fangire-le, as I promised earlier.
KAMEN RIDER DIE: I am ready for it! ANDROZANI84: Beetle Fangire True name: Atonement of the Garden Divided, the International Dateline" (贖罪の園を分断する、日付変更線, Shokuzai no Sono o Bundan suru, Hizukehenkōsen) Human identity: none Rank: King Class: Insect Main actor: Mansaku Ikeiuchi Getting this from other source but: He was exiled for loving a human woman who gave birth to his half-breed successor, Wataru. He saw the coexistence and peace between the two races as nothing more than a farce for his son's sake. I guess other than the previous Kings in original Kiva series, he had Maya traits to be exiled.
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08-24-2021, 04:52 PM | #113 |
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Ah, the Kiva arc! I remember that one better than I remember the Kuuga arc, maybe due to the novelty of a child rider? Maybe due to Kiva just standing out more to me than Kuuga? (Horror monster babysitters! Monsters and humans living togther! Child Rider!) I wonder how children at the time reacted to having 2 Kivas in the space of a month - most of the Kuuga audience had probably ages out of it by then, but Kiva was just the big thing! The kids probably still have their Kivats around to play with!
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08-24-2021, 09:25 PM | #114 |
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Though this isn't a continuation of Kiva (kinda don't want for anniversary series to give continuation for original series without consent even if getting old actor back), his feels to me, probably how Kiva's epilogue continued, with Wataru becoming King, he'd likely enforce this rule of humans and Fangires co-existing.
...yes, I realize I'm saying that Wataru's advantage is the emotional support of Nago. That's how bereft Wee Wataru's life is! Quote:
Getting this from other source but: He was exiled for loving a human woman who gave birth to his half-breed successor, Wataru. He saw the coexistence and peace between the two races as nothing more than a farce for his son's sake. I guess other than the previous Kings in original Kiva series, he had Maya traits to be exiled.
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Ah, the Kiva arc! I remember that one better than I remember the Kuuga arc, maybe due to the novelty of a child rider? Maybe due to Kiva just standing out more to me than Kuuga? (Horror monster babysitters! Monsters and humans living togther! Child Rider!) I wonder how children at the time reacted to having 2 Kivas in the space of a month - most of the Kuuga audience had probably ages out of it by then, but Kiva was just the big thing! The kids probably still have their Kivats around to play with!
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08-25-2021, 07:51 AM | #115 |
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08-25-2021, 08:09 AM | #116 |
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I wonder if Decade reignited the collector market at this time. I wonder if there were kids suddenly looking for older action figures and roleplay items. I'm sure someone here knows: were there re-releases of any old merch for this show? How did Decade's merch capitalize on all these Legend Riders?
As for Decade's toyline, you do have figures of the old Riders, in the form of the Final Form Ride toys, so you too can make Wee Kiva do the splits and turn into a giant bat-bow!
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08-25-2021, 09:02 AM | #117 |
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I'm not sure when each specific release came out, but I know the Legend Rider Henshin Belt series - which had started in 2004 - had continued through to 2004; so naturally some stuff must have been released during Decade, too. I'd take a stab and guess that the Den-O and Zeronos belts may have been released around Decade, since they can't have been released much earlier than that?
It's hard to really tell how much Bandai put into legacy toys though, because Decade was partly conceived as a filler line -- in case you haven't heard this before, the reason it has 31 episodes was specifically so that Kamen Rider shows (and toylines) could debut around September instead of February; this is so it wouldn't compete with Super Sentai toylines starting at the same time.
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08-25-2021, 06:28 PM | #118 |
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I wonder if Decade reignited the collector market at this time. I wonder if there were kids suddenly looking for older action figures and roleplay items. I'm sure someone here knows: were there re-releases of any old merch for this show? How did Decade's merch capitalize on all these Legend Riders?
Naturally, there was plenty of other merch involving all the Riders going on as well though, from vinyl figures to candy toy lines and all kind of random stuff. I even went digging a bit through Bandai's rather comprehensive digital catalog (it seriously goes back to Kuuga) to find where Decade-related stuff starts out of curiosity, which I'd link to directly, but I guess the Japanese in the URL is a problem? So hopefully anyone else who's curious is willing to do a bit of digging as well!
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08-25-2021, 06:39 PM | #119 |
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Bandai's rather comprehensive digital catalog (it seriously goes back to Kuuga)
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08-25-2021, 07:16 PM | #120 |
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So I'm actually watching Decade now, because I didn't already have a backlog of shows I wanted to do, and the Kiva arc... Decade really does just detonate some innocent Fangire in the first 5 minutes, huh? Other Riders would've had a mult-episode arc about that, Tsukasa.
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