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04-14-2022, 09:15 PM | #671 |
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That's sort of a bummer? I'm sure this doesn't mean the show is going to slow down on Legend appearances (WHERE MY YUUTO AT), but I'll miss the time travel premise this show started with. Which, weird to feel that way? I don't like Time Nonsense, as a rule, but I thought this show used the wider canvas of time travel to come up with some fun climaxes to stories.
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04-14-2022, 09:27 PM | #672 |
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04-14-2022, 11:08 PM | #673 |
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All these elements come together to make Geiz Revive one of the most memorable form debuts in this whole franchise for me, and definitely the most memorable in this show. Most of my love for this pair of suits comes entirely from how much I enjoyed (the back half of) this episode, and really that's ideally how it should be in these shows!
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Regardless, I sort of like how this worked for Geiz and Geiz Revive? It's very much Geiz jumping to an irrational conclusion based on him having barely a shred of information and then just drowning in grief as he pushes forward with what he thinks will make him feel better. At least that's how I saw it in a sense.
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if only there was some sort of decade catchphrase that would cover this situation
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04-15-2022, 02:34 AM | #674 |
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I think I should warn you that SHF Revive can’t replicate his form change gimmick in a screen-accurate way (though bizarrely, the RKF figure can, despite being much skinnier)
Speaking of Revive, let’s get onto talking about the watch. Ridewatch Display: Revive “The warrior of furious power. Geiz Revive Gouretsu” “The warrior of incredibly gale-force speed, Geiz Revive Shippu” One brilliant thing about it is that it actually works as a fusion of the three MiRiders. You’ve got the speed from Shinobi in Shippu, the strength from Kikai in Gouretsu and the choice between them, echoing Quiz. As for why Revive is killing Geiz (that’s irony for ya), it’s not because the watch is designed to kill its user, or because it’s too powerful for human use, like a lot of people assumed. It’s because Geiz’s body is unable to handle the amount of power it gives off, since he’s never used anything like it (Shirakura explained that it was inspired by an incident where he tried a new exercise program and started getting nosebleeds because he was pushing himself too hard) |
04-15-2022, 09:08 AM | #675 |
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KAMEN RIDER ZI-O EPISODE 26 - ?GEIZ REVIVE! 2019?
And that?s half the reason he can activate the Geiz Revive power-up, the need to be the hero that he should?ve been months ago. But the other half is the part of him that sees the wreckage of Sougo?s (and Hiryuu?s) life and feels the blood on his hands. That bus was destroyed because someone was afraid of what Sougo might become in the future. Every battle Sougo?s been in is because someone wanted him dead, all for actions he might never even take, given the chance. Sougo might be a hero, if the world weren?t trying to kill him for being a villain. A fight now, between Zi-O II and Geiz Revive, will at least settle things. If Geiz wins, the future is saved. If Zi-O wins, then maybe Sougo can be the good king that no one else believed in. Either way, the stress of indecision is just about gone. Quote:
Also, unpopular opinion, but I am not a fan of Geiz Revive, and most especially not a fan of how its debut is handled. The way both modes are shown off, there's basically no reason to never not be in Blue Mode; A similar problem Black RX had when balancing his three forms.
The Zikan Jaclaw is a cool weapon as well and I like how Geiz's weapons in general are more varied than Zi-O using a sword or gun all the time. There's just a slight problem with the DX Geiz Revive Ridewatch that I found out from a review I watched. Those small magnetic balls are so clingy! Quote:
No matter the timeline, Woz loves to IWAE!
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04-15-2022, 10:23 AM | #676 |
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That's sort of a bummer? I'm sure this doesn't mean the show is going to slow down on Legend appearances (WHERE MY YUUTO AT), but I'll miss the time travel premise this show started with. Which, weird to feel that way? I don't like Time Nonsense, as a rule, but I thought this show used the wider canvas of time travel to come up with some fun climaxes to stories.
This is the clever bit that I mentioned earlier with the Quiz plan not mattering. Never noticed this the first time, but this plus other weird consistencies was the show setting up that fact that the RULES HAVE CHANGED! It wasn't just suddenly tossed at us, although it might seem like that if you don't know the hints to look at, but in reality, the writers have been hinting at this for a while, and that particular sequence was the biggest one. It already showed that the rules the audience and the characters thought they had to play with no longer mattered. Also, I've been out of state most of the week, so I missed the discussion about Tsukiyomi's about face. To me, it rings very true, because I've been there, and I've seen other be there. When the foundation of what you believe gets pulled out from under you, it's pretty dramatic. It can caused a seeming about face in believes and behavior, and can cause some inconsistency as you don't quite know what you do believe anymore. For Tsukiyomi, her foundation was that Sougo was really a good person and as long as she helped him, there would be no darkness in him. Well, that foundation got well and truly yanked out from under her, so what is she to do now? I guess most people haven't experienced something that dramatically life changing, but it comes across as very believable if you have. |
04-15-2022, 11:34 AM | #677 |
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KAMEN RIDER ZI-O EPISODE 26 - ?GEIZ REVIVE! 2019?
The one I?m sort of least curious about is the Tsukuyomi Killed A Busload Of People mystery, because I just can?t entertain that possibility for a single goddamn second. It?s edited in a way that obscures all but the most incriminating details, for one thing. We don?t ever see who/what Tsukuyomi?s shooting at, so she could just as easily have been shouting for Sougo to avoid (wild guess) Another Zi-O as she could be trying to murder an 8-year old boy. Also, there is no version of this show where Tsukuyomi tries to murder an 8-year old boy and ends up accidentally killing all but two people on a bus, including herself. Like, zero percent chance. (More interested in the What Was April 2009?s Kamen Rider Doing On That Bus mystery, but there?s nothing specific in this episode besides those capitalized words. Still! More Tsukasa! Yay!) As ep. 15-16 showed, Ohma Zi-O's existence faded away for a while, shouldn't kill Sougo, but likely left the time to go back to 2068 after destroying his belt, though the one who dragged him back was Tsukuyomi seeing Sougo getting attacked. Many battle Sougo's been is because of the Time Jacker's schemes, it'd be just straight up villainy, regardless of what Sougo's actions are, they want to reshape the world into what fits in their eyes, 2 of them has no conscience at all, it just happened that Sougo was the main threat as Ohma Zi-O. Their only concern was about Ohma Zi-O's sheer power. Same goes for White Woz who goes into sociopathic tendencies to shape the world he wants by using Geiz Revive. Hiryu though, is the one that has purely personal grudge against Sougo, and if the pic I shared in last post was any indication. As Geiz Revive appeared now, it does kick both Zi-O's asses easily (of which have White Woz going IWAE), and he'd have been able to kill Hiryu if Swartz didn't intervene, and he's the counter to Zi-O II's future prediction ability, due to attacking too fast before Zi-O II reacts. So the solution is just being a speedster... one of the most wanked powerset.
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04-15-2022, 11:35 AM | #678 |
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As for why Revive is killing Geiz (that?s irony for ya), it?s not because the watch is designed to kill its user, or because it?s too powerful for human use, like a lot of people assumed. It?s because Geiz?s body is unable to handle the amount of power it gives off, since he?s never used anything like it (Shirakura explained that it was inspired by an incident where he tried a new exercise program and started getting nosebleeds because he was pushing himself too hard)
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He's not fighting Zi-O out of intense hatred anymore, but out of an obligation he feels he needs to fulfill for the sake of a better future, since destiny says he's the only one who can. This leaves Sougo out of the loop about everything that's happening, as both his comrades are now trying to kill him for reasons nobody really understands. I'll talk more about the bus incident later, since there's still a surprising secret about that.
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Never noticed this the first time, but this plus other weird consistencies was the show setting up that fact that the RULES HAVE CHANGED! It wasn't just suddenly tossed at us, although it might seem like that if you don't know the hints to look at, but in reality, the writers have been hinting at this for a while, and that particular sequence was the biggest one. It already showed that the rules the audience and the characters thought they had to play with no longer mattered.
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To me, it rings very true, because I've been there, and I've seen other be there. When the foundation of what you believe gets pulled out from under you, it's pretty dramatic. It can caused a seeming about face in believes and behavior, and can cause some inconsistency as you don't quite know what you do believe anymore.
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04-15-2022, 11:39 AM | #679 |
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OF COURSE Geiz bought it! Geiz is someone who has put Saving The Future entirely on his own back! He's definitely going to think his inaction caused a major catastrophe! He probably treats the milk running out at home as something that could've been prevented by stopping Zi-O's rise to power...
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04-15-2022, 12:18 PM | #680 |
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(Slams book closed) Forgive me, I seem to be reading ahead.
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