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03-27-2022, 10:05 PM | #31 |
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Good episode overall.
The best things from this episode is George henshin and George meeting with his father. Last edited by Blade Fang; 03-27-2022 at 10:11 PM.. |
03-28-2022, 01:17 AM | #32 |
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I like final forms that are not over the top like we got during the second phase of the Heisei era.
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03-28-2022, 06:57 AM | #33 |
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If the Final form "simplified" means more like Zero two then Yes please but if its like Cross saber then No...
Because there is difference between Simple and Just a Repaint... the New Weapon for Final form is cool tho... |
03-28-2022, 07:29 AM | #34 |
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Final form is gonna pull a Build Genius and just have vistamps all over his body.
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03-28-2022, 08:29 AM | #35 |
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The show is called Kamen Rider Revice, but the eponymous Rider has never appeared... until now, takes 28 episodes to do so (albeit the super form is called Revice but with an added 'Jack'). And this is the end of the 2nd arc, but so does Olteca (with Seki Hayata getting flowers) who turned out to only acted as a villain of 1 arc...
There's surprisingly a parallel made up between Ikki and Olteca here (albeit it's obvious that Ikki had the most hatred to Olteca before for good reason, burning himself while using Volcano Rex for example, and declaring him as unforgivable with the lines he crossed), with Olteca's fighting scene against George and Igarashis transitioning into Ikki's confrontation with Vice, as well as Olteca trying to pull out not so different remark on Revice and even... the flashbacks of Olteca being together with other Deadman trio in his demise. Though the latter 2 did nothing to make Olteca look better as Ikki and Vice aren't devils (.. but Revice) and thus isn't the same as piece of shit like Olteca merging with Giff, this quite throws the usual Kamen Rider sthick of hero and villain having similar source/type of power, but it shows it doesn't matter what type of power they use, what matters is the morality of the person and how the power is used, power merely enhances the impact of what they do, if they're evil they can cause worldwide damage, if they're good they can save people from big threats. And for the Deadman trio flashbacks, of course it's Olteca calmly stating that his world domination goal failed, seeing his former allies as something to further that goal. Otherwise, so my theory previously about Olteca's end being near, like someone such as Sid in Gaim, is actually true. He's only a main antagonist wannabe overall. Just that previous irredeemable villains that are wannabes too like Asakura (who also held a kid at gunpoint) or Kitazaki got their demise at the end of the series instead of middle, which leaves me thinking if Olteca's death happened too fast, if there are still more things they can explore regarding him, like his ambiguous nature if he's human or not (in how Vail smells him, or if Vail refers to his sociopathic nature), or also the Deadman trio's feelings (not mourning, mind you) of what their former ally has become/crossed especially Aguilera's decision to team up with him again (or that's saved for next ones). Granted though, Olteca's threat has diminished lately with his threat depending on what Vail does (leaving or returning), and then Demons with triple Genomixes being overwhelmed by Holy Live, and despite being the first to reach Phase 4 in Anomalocaris Deadman, at the end of the day, he's only a mere human after he's separated from Giff, so it's plausible to assume he's dying soon. Other than that it's great though that they don't redeem Olteca, keeping him being the worst that he is until his death, and his death too was a karmic one, he spent his time sacrificing a bunch of people for his own benefits, then he ended up becoming the final sacrifice for Giff, w̶h̶i̶c̶h̶'̶d̶ ̶r̶e̶m̶i̶n̶d̶ ̶m̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶S̶c̶i̶s̶s̶o̶r̶s̶ ̶i̶n̶s̶t̶e̶a̶d̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶O̶u̶j̶a̶,̶ ̶i̶f̶ ̶t̶a̶l̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶R̶y̶u̶k̶i̶. With Giff reclaiming his true form this early, it seems that Giff is someone more similar to Ark from Zero-One, who acts as a primary antagonist (albeit Ark wasn't the final fight of Zero-One), instead of someone that existed primarily as a final boss for the Riders to fight like Arch Orphnoch (who killed the aformentioned Kitazaki), Sigma, or Gamedeus (for KR Chronicle). Other than Vail and Olteca's demise, the other antagonists here are still given setups.
However, I don't quite have a faith of how Revice would handle them (partially the reason Olteca may better stay), given their current track record of them like Kagerou before, and including Ikki fighting himself in this episode if Vice can qualify here (more on that below). Vail was the twist that is done really well before, and actually had him being more fleshed out with good build up using Hiromi and is well-written regarding his conflict with the Igarashis, compared to the others, and so far I only saw Vail as the real potential of being a compelling antagonist (and there's also a setup for Genta, him recovering all of his memories with Buu-san helping him as well as temporarily leaving his family). Ikki's fight with himself involves him waking up in a surreal version of Happy Spa, with his family members acting weird, the more serious Daiji and Sakura instead childishly playing with a plane and stuffing her face with huge foods (in both size and quantity) respectively, and Giftarians taking a bath in the onsen and seductively inviting him to join. That might be some comedy material, but it's left insignificant in the long run, as the next 2 confrontations didn't touch any of the weirdness in the Happy Spa in his head; the first confrontation being Vail facing off Ikki (unless Vail made that version of Happy Spa in Ikki's head to psyche out Ikki). Like I said above, as a yandere for Genta, Vail's threat to Ikki is done well and is more than just both fighting it out, as he knows there are more of someone he can target with, Vail tried to mind rape Ikki to crush his hopes that his family can be normal and happy, due to how all of them are devils too (of which it's used against Olteca instead), and tried to convince him to leave the family instead. Of course, this won't work as he.. Vailed to notice what does Ikki actually want, he had made himself suffer constantly before (y'know, like ep. 2 to let himself die when Vice won't comply for instant), thus his persuasion doesn't work albeit Vail is still confident of his power to dispose the Igarashis, which kinda reminds me of Gaim too in Redyue (who also uses illusions for that) trying and failing to convince Kouta to give up saving people due to how he's going to be hated, but not being hated isn't really what Kouta aims thus it failed. The second one being Ikki fighting Vice within himself, of which Vice gains Ikki's head too. Outside of Vice looking more silly as Ikki like a cheap cosplay, the quality of the writing here isn't better either. There's Vice beating Ikki up physically, but then it's merely about Ikki remembering the time he and Vice spent, and declaring to be Vice's protector, then then fighting back by slashing Vice. And... that's it. It's significantly more flat of a conflict as well as the resolution, compared to the previous Ikki and Vice interactions. What are Vice's thoughts and feelings there? What's in his mind as he beats Ikki up there despite that they're buddies since ep. 13? Even what's the explanation between Vice now having Ikki's head, despite that Vice is recognized as another Ikki even before literally having same head? And as no way Vice was killed after Ikki slashed him (but it's the moment that had Ikki back as Revice), also what causes Vice to stop his beating of Ikki there and make up with him for the eponymous Revice's debut? I guess this is a prime example (at least to me) of how a tokusatsu won't be complete with the suits or fighting alone, the mere surface, but the characters and stories matter more instead of people fighting in silly colorful costumes, of which the Ikki and Vice conflict here is about the fighting only mostly (and not that much of it too), albeit the character part is highlighted one-sidedly in Ikki, but still won't be enough with his monologue alone. This episode features the 3rd user of Demons, which is George. Character-wise here, though I stopped making good assumptions about George since his mostly callous disposal of Hiromi and working with Akaishi even at his 'helpful' moments later (reverting Ikki back after Jack Revice's debut, and the characters like Vice also distrusted him), I guess for this one, George and his concern to the Igarashis (other than refering Sakura as karate girl) is really about him genuinely becoming more good, albeit it's not about him never being bad before, instead it's him developing to be a better person (at least to the Igarashis), likely he did after learning about Igarashi's backstory, or about his conflict with his father (surpassing him and not immediately forgiving him) being about him not being pleased to his father's actions instead of him seeing his father as an obstacle in his goals.It's also good for Masumi's wish for George to not become like him. Other than that, it shows Sakura being fully aligned with Weekend, and offering support to even Masumi or hoping for the Karizakis to make up for the sake of beating Giff. He had some resemblance to Kuroto before in praising himself or being petty (either conflict to Vice or reaction to outside ViStamp presence), but regarding his father, it's not like Kuroto at all, who framed Masamune for his own benefit. He even learns from Hiromi too, whose Kamen Rider ideals he previously mocked despite being a KR fanboy, to believe more and take action, as being a bystander who just talks big, especially for someone as capable as George (not an average joe who only can be a bystander) would be a waste, more than mocking Hiromi's tenacity to keep fighting as futile. It's likely time for him to finally grasp the true spirit of Kamen Rider franchise, instead of being a superficial KR fanboy; only liking the violence, suit design, and powers, but his actions before being the opposite of KR spirit, manipulating others for his own goal as well as pursuing power without considering morality. While his alignment may change for good here, he was never an average scientist like he claims, with how he works out and holding his own to Olteca, and it's used to a great effect here, with him using Demons spectacularly, using tricks like webbing Jack Revice around (being the one to resemble Spider-Man the most in fighting), as well as cause physical damage to Olteca (before he regenerates), only being stopped by his Driver's limit. George may've been impressive against Olteca, but don't know if it's actually Olteca's Phase 4 form (or hell, Giff) being less impressive than what's expected too. It's definitely stronger than Demons with triple Genomix though, as how it beats Holy Live who beats said Demons before. While Olteca does have Giff's regeneration as well as him boasting about it, it may also seem that Olteca had mediocre durability to have attacks from any others including Jeanne cause damage (also parts falling off from Holy Live) to show off the regeneration. Though to be honest, I don't think that Olteca's debut as Demons before had really impressive showings either albeit his Demons is clearly stronger, unless they purposely wanted to make Olteca not much above the heroes with them still being able to push around and fight him off for a bit. Either of Olteca's debut as the bigger fish (Demons, Anomalocaris) wasn't as impressive as the likes of Ark's debut or something, but by this I hope that wasn't the best of what Giff can do. After all, it's not even final form debut yet, Revice is an upgraded super form. so it'd be similar to Build RabbitRabbit & TankTank for Build equivalent (and Jack Revice kinda looked like Build Hazard, with also berserk side effects). But by that Revice's design looks worse I agree, with too flashy and contrasting color scheme. Though I'd say Revice's performance is more impressive than Olteca's to other Riders, I'd also think the thunder gale theme is also quite random, and unrelated to what's already established before, with Revice having prehistoric motif and previous Riders (and George's still the one to give the Thunder Gale ViStamp..). Volcano Rex does have elemental power in fire and ice, but it's prehistoric related in ice age and as per its namesake, volcanoes being a frequent presence in dinosaur-related themes.
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03-28-2022, 08:14 PM | #36 |
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Does any one else feel Thunder Gale is kind of treading old water? This is like the third time Ikki and Vice have had to accept they are one. Honestly I liked it when it was theorized Vice was the embodiment of Ikki's resentment towards his family after giving up his dream of being a soccer player. Now that it's been revealed Vice has been around Ikki since childhood, it makes a lot of earlier moments of Vice's antagonism feel really out of place.
As for Thunder Gale, on top of not being good to look at, it doesn't really even feel like an upgrade. Unlike other upgrades, there is no connectivity between the Rolling Vistamp and Thunder Gale Vistamp. Maybe it's supposed to be like like a Zi-O Trinity situation, where it's an another Super Form. At the very least if past forms are anything to go by we won't have to see this form for much longer before it's replaced. |
03-29-2022, 02:50 AM | #37 |
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03-29-2022, 12:59 PM | #38 |
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Does any one else feel Thunder Gale is kind of treading old water? This is like the third time Ikki and Vice have had to accept they are one. Honestly I liked it when it was theorized Vice was the embodiment of Ikki's resentment towards his family after giving up his dream of being a soccer player. Now that it's been revealed Vice has been around Ikki since childhood, it makes a lot of earlier moments of Vice's antagonism feel really out of place.
As for Thunder Gale, on top of not being good to look at, it doesn't really even feel like an upgrade. Unlike other upgrades, there is no connectivity between the Rolling Vistamp and Thunder Gale Vistamp. Maybe it's supposed to be like like a Zi-O Trinity situation, where it's an another Super Form. At the very least if past forms are anything to go by we won't have to see this form for much longer before it's replaced. |
03-30-2022, 07:19 AM | #39 |
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It’s pretty much two part forms like shiny hopper or elemental dragon even gaim final form and more. Except is done twice here from ice form to volcano. Now it’s the paint roller to electricity. Rumors did say the final form will do away the old driver. Don’t know if it means ghost super form getting his own driver or a big 01 to 02 attachments. People did remove the stamp plate from the toy driver last year during reviews.
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04-01-2022, 08:56 PM | #40 |
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Could be just me not keeping up with this series as much as I'd like, but Vice has improved immensely, and that makes me happy.
Seriously, nothing against this show, I just need better scheduling, since it's been getting really good. Revice doing the Ichigo pose made my day! Thunder Gale Revice isn't bad design wise, but it could really use some more colors, since the lack of anything but bright yellow (maybe it's a reference to Zero-One, I don't know, no point in connecting dots), but as mentioned before, the Ichigo pose, the turbine on the stamp, is just such a great idea for this form, though we're likely going to get another form or two later. But my gosh, the cinematography and atmosphere this episode felt like something you'd see in the Ultra series to me, during that inside Ikki's head sequence, it was such a good scene(s). Really liked the visual flair. And George has now fulfilled his dreams as a Kamen Rider! Boy, he was a lot of fun to watch, and him shouting a bunch of Engrish made it better. He almost reminds me of an older Peter Parker, and I love it! And the family reunion that came earlier than expected, but looks like it will lead to some interesting developments. RIP Olteca (unless Gifu decides to use his appearance when he gains more power), hugs for Aguilera (unless Gifu suddenly changes his mind and accepts her later, which I feel is possible), more hugs for Julio (back to the bowl cut, I see), cheers for Buu-San (the surprise hero), and cheers for Vice becoming corporeal (gotta say how much I liked Ikki and Vice conversing in Weekend's basement). I'm also really looking forward to how Daichi moves forward with FENIX and how he plans to deal with the bossman. Next Episode: Let's make a movie for the best boy, Hiromi-San! Who wants to bet this is the episode/arc he returns. |
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