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02-10-2023, 06:24 PM | #631 |
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This episode was really good, yeah! And I wasn't paying attention to -slash- didn't have the context for Saber news at that time, so Kento's reappearance was not a foregone conclusion for me.
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02-10-2023, 06:30 PM | #632 |
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a lot of peopple THOUGHT Kento was going to stay dead until the mysterious new Calibur showed up
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02-10-2023, 06:33 PM | #633 |
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This episode occurred on my birth month, I was struck with COVID and confined to an area by myself as I watched this episode. So, this episode was really special to me and Kamihoriuchi's a masterclass in directing this episode! The lack of music in many scenes to sell the isolation Kento feels, the many flashes of the future that ring in his head. It's all so well done. I love how this reveal of Kurayami's powers recontextualize Kamijou and why he wears a glove when using Kurayami. I really felt for Kento as he sat in the void of darkness just rehashing the same scenarios albeit differently every time to the point of apathy. He's succumbed to the worst of his impulses back in the first arc, Yuji Nakata portraying Calibur this time gives the suit a much more dangerous feel as it's no longer their enemy, Kamijou, but now their friend Kento who flips around and styles on everyone as per his swordsman ship as Espada. And Touma... Damn.. He's already having trouble reaching the boy within the Primitive Dragon book, but now his best friend has returned, alive, but no longer the same person he saw back then. The pain that's inflicted on him as Kento utters the same words he was JUST about to say. When Primitive Dragon came on and started screaming, it really blurred whether that was the form screaming or Touma screaming out of pain (also cuz Naito voices the Primitive Dragon screams anyway). And then Kento's convictions are reaffirmed when he's right yet again when Touma de-transforms without hurting anybody, just like he said before. And then there's Daishinji's blood-curdling scream, all the suffering it's also wonderfully done to really set how bad things have gotten for the heroes. I love Kamen Rider Saber. |
02-10-2023, 06:40 PM | #634 |
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It's a heavy moment, because it's basically the first time Touma welcomes Primitive Dragon. He's basically had his best friend tell him that hope is a lie, and that trying to save the world is going to destroy it. He can't talk his way out of this, and the only option is fighting the friend he's just welcomed back to life. Primitive Dragon is the only thing that understands him at this point, which is incredibly bad news.
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02-10-2023, 06:46 PM | #635 |
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Fish Sandwich also watched Kamen Rider Saber Episode 26
I know, right! It's like, when the show is already this amazing, it's always such a surprise when it manages to... Oh, wait, you meant like... because you were doing a thing. Took me a second there, Die, but I figured it out! No, that wasn't a statement about the level of quality this show has achieved by this point, it was just the start of one of those kinds of posts I feel like you only do when you were seriously into what a Rider thing was talking about, where you talk way more about the *ideas* in the story than the story itself. But uh, yeah, this stretch of the show is still amazing to the point where I don't know what to single out to add. Especially with an episode this masterful. (Even if I still don't like all the stock music.) Just as a random thing, I guess, this episode has what I consider to be the definitive Master Logos dialogue exchange, where Tassel tells him it's not okay to play with humanity's fate, and he just goes "IIIIIiiiiiIIIIIIiiinnn desu yo!" It's like this really particular emphasis where you can tell exactly how little of a s*** he gives about what Tassel is saying, to the point he's laughing his way through that sentence, and it really sold on me Keisuke Souma's performance as the character. His prior big toku role was as a lovable clown of a hero back in Shinkenger, and I feel like he found some really great ways to apply those over-the-top mannerisms to a sketchy major antagonist instead. Hopefully you'll have as much fun with the guy as I did from here on, Die.
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02-10-2023, 06:53 PM | #636 |
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Just as a random thing, I guess, this episode has what I consider to be the definitive Master Logos dialogue exchange, where Tassel tells him it's not okay to play with humanity's fate, and he just goes "IIIIIiiiiiIIIIIIiiinnn desu yo!" It's like this really particular emphasis where you can tell exactly how little of a s*** he gives about what Tassel is saying, to the point he's laughing his way through that sentence, and it really sold on me Keisuke Souma's performance as the character. His prior big toku role was as a lovable clown of a hero back in Shinkenger, and I feel like he found some really great ways to apply those over-the-top mannerisms to a sketchy major antagonist instead. Hopefully you'll have as much fun with the guy as I did from here on, Die.
Some of it is that, in opposition to Reika's pre-Sabela dryness, Master Logos's villainy is portrayed with the right balance of menace and glee. He's ensconced in power, and feels invulnerable. When an old friend with a tree on his shoulder turns up to scold his cruelty, of course he's going to go STRONG DISAGREE in the most comedic way possible. He's clearly relishing getting to spill his master plan (or, Master plan, I guess) to someone after who knows how long of needing to seem calm and serene. He's ready to laugh about his eventual subjugation of reality! Also, I really like when this show talks about how we relate to businesses, and work, so the reveal of a guy who took the emotional investment of his employees and turned that into a feeling of godly superiority? Very into that concept!
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02-10-2023, 07:44 PM | #637 |
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Welcome back Kento!
...ok and now I'm going to go back to talking about last ep because I'd still like to say a word on my man Rintaro. Seriously, I do still remember 25 as one of the highlights of all of Saber, just for that scene between Rintaro, Mei and Touma. It's honestly one of the best scenes I think Kamihoriuchi has ever done, it really shows how great of performances he's able to pull out of the actors he directs. Recalling earlier in the show too, there was that question of, as nice as it was to have a secondary who was so... nice, if it was worth the reduction of drama implied. I think this is the scene that fully justifies that choice, now that the drama is About how these are two people who fundamentally like each other, being held apart and not allowed to just work things out. It's a really unique spin! You really do just gotta feel for them, rooting for ya, Rintaro :'). Quote:
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02-10-2023, 07:52 PM | #638 |
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Recalling earlier in the show too, there was that question of, as nice as it was to have a secondary who was so... nice, if it was worth the reduction of drama implied. I think this is the scene that fully justifies that choice, now that the drama is About how these are two people who fundamentally like each other, being held apart and not allowed to just work things out. It's a really unique spin! You really do just gotta feel for them, rooting for ya, Rintaro :').
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02-10-2023, 08:13 PM | #639 |
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...On another note, since the original thread for Desast's Walk translations I linked is no longer available. I, uh, actually had already been working on my own google doc Desast archive, in case I ever needed for inflict Saber on my own friend group. So here you go? (I still want to get all the links and pictures and more formatting into the final version for this, but I did at least order all the translations!)
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Before we get into the meat of it. Let me talk about one of my favorite scenes in Saber... which is where we suddenly start getting scenes that end in dramatic cuts to black with stinger music hitting as the cut happens. In which we get one of my favorite exchanges ever. Master Logos in the most ominous voice ever "So you've come... Victor." Tassel with his usual cheeriness, "Hey now, please call me Tassel." *dramatic cut to black* I don't know what it is about that scene, but I just adore it. But yeah, a lot of people talk about how Kento kind of goes through an emo phase, and this also starts a lot of people I saw talking about how irrational he's being and how he's being counterproductive and I feel like... they didn't see this episode? Like, as this thread has gone into good detail with... Kento is not in a healthy mental space during the initial run of Q1 Saber. He is literally teetering on the edge and him getting swallowed up and left to wallow inside darkness... pretty much tips him over that edge. We see Kento look at every possible variation, every potential plan, every differing scenario... and none of it works. There's only one way to completely win and to him that involves a lonely path he must walk against everyone. The kid was already traumatized by what his father did, and Kamijo's reveal did not help. And now we know we've added further trauma onto that. Kento while still functioning... is worse off mentally now than he was before thanks to those visions. And I love how the actor really gets across Kento's aura of just feeling dead inside. He's tired and alone. And I really love how we get to just see a rapid flash forward of just everything going wrong, every, single, time. It's such a chilling sequence and it's still crazy to think about. Also hey, Kurayami is kind of a screwed up Seiken ain't it what with what we learned of it this week. Then we have the fight itself, in what can only be described as... chaos. Kento is not willing to back down, Reika is here to run interference as best she can. And of course the big reveal during said fight that I already covered. And of course we have Primitive's one appearance here, which is just screaming in anguish... man, this episode did not pull any punches. Also if there was anyone's sword to seal first, it was Daishinji's. He's the one who has the most personal connection to his Seiken, and the absolute anguish you hear in his voice is heartbreaking. Overall, fantastic episode. As for our story... I was not expecting you to make something out of that random bit of Mei shoving candy in a jar before shoving said jar in her purse. I had to actually rewatch that particular part of the episode to realize that you were actually taking from the episode itself and not making something up after seeing the screencap. It's such a random scene, but I really love how your story frames her mindset and how she got to that point. Really nicely done. No Desast Walk this time though. They'll be slightly more sporadic, especially with how you've ordered certain things in this thread. |
02-10-2023, 08:27 PM | #640 |
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Like, as this thread has gone into good detail with... Kento is not in a healthy mental space during the initial run of Q1 Saber. He is literally teetering on the edge and him getting swallowed up and left to wallow inside darkness... pretty much tips him over that edge. We see Kento look at every possible variation, every potential plan, every differing scenario... and none of it works. There's only one way to completely win and to him that involves a lonely path he must walk against everyone.
With Kento... I mean, that's a dude looking to be told by the universe that he's made to suffer. It's selection bias, where he's only ever going to see the data that best conforms with his worldview. He sees his own culpability in every tragedy, so he's inevitably going to see a series of apocalypses as his sole responsibility to resolve; a bunch of prophesized earth-shattering catastrophes is just gilding the lily. Thanks! I like Mei a lot, and I think she's got a really humane (but slightly frustrated) view on this current dumpster fire. She's a go-getter! And funny! And gorgeous! Hard not to want to focus on her when everything else is in ruins.
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