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10-28-2021, 03:26 PM | #16911 |
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Hey so why does it seem like Kamen Rider cares less about their showa era then the other big toku shows? Like even compared to Sentai, Kamen Rider kind of relegates the showa legacy items to small upgrades and minor roles. Why do you think this is?
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10-28-2021, 04:16 PM | #16912 |
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The only explanation I can give you is profit. Maybe Showa Riders make less money than the other Showa Toku hero merch.
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10-28-2021, 04:37 PM | #16913 |
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I think a big factor is that its toyline has very consistently been very successful since around the mid-2000s, and as such they can rely on those big hits to make a lot of money -- I'm not just talking popular ones like Den-O, W, Kuuga, Faiz; any recent toyline will have been a big hit with kids and hence going back only so far as 5 years is sure to both make a profit, and be far more recognisable to your target audience than V3 or Super-1. In comparison, Sentai is a bit more in-and-out on whether its recent series will be popular (and you can be very sure that Gokaiger and Dekaranger get a bunch of recognition), and Ultraman has seen steady success with New Gen but few that's overwhelmingly so, and having started in 2013 it's taken a bit for it to really build up to the point they can rely on those recent guys.
I'd also argue that none of the Showa Riders were big hits outside of the original and Black, both of which do get prominent marketing and recognition (if not as much). Ultraman has both OG Ultraman and Ultraseven as big pop culture icons, while Sentai only actually focuses on Goranger when looking back. It's certainly a bit fascinating coming into Toku and seeing this I gotta say. You look at western franchises and it's like... G1 is 90% of Transformers' current output; you get a new MMPR Green toy every two minutes; constant countless reboots and reimaginings of 80s movies. Literally today we just heard about a new Buzz Lightyear movie. But Toku while relying on the same franchises is very happy to keep chugging forward with new additions
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10-28-2021, 09:41 PM | #16914 |
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Also, despite the fact that KR is quite large now, you don't get canned for a decade without a good reason
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10-29-2021, 03:08 AM | #16915 |
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I think it's just that the media focuses on the 2010s as a decade a lot in general, I mean it's not like 2000s Rider has had loads of coverage other than Den-O and Decade. You haven't seen that the Eurovision fandom mostly ignores the contests up to 1998 which I prefer that mostly still had the rule about singing in national languages lol
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10-30-2021, 12:54 AM | #16916 |
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I've finished Ghost. All of the show's' run, all of the HBVs, the Sin Specter V-Cin, the crossover movie with Drive, the summer movie, the Legend of Alain specials, and the Kamen Rider 1 movie. During this entire adventure through the first Rider I've seen to have such an intertwined continuity since W, Ghost proved to be a rather tricky watch for me, and different from what I normally do. Not solely just due to the unique beast of a show that Ghost is(although that too), but more due to all that I had heard about it in the lead up to actually watching it. Because like many others I'm sure, I've heard some pretty strong opinions from both sides when it comes to Ghost: Ghost is one of the best Rider shows ever, Ghost is one of the worst Rider shows ever, Ghost has really strong themes and ideas, Ghost has awful pacing and a plot that makes no sense, and so on. As such, I kinda ended up less watching Ghost so much as I was analyzing it all through its run, if that makes sense? And as a result, I'm sorry to say but... I kinda don't disagree with either side of the argument? Ghost DOES go in on its overall theme of unity through empathy. Ghost also has really bad pacing, especially in the early episodes. Ghost has a cast of memorable, if not likable characters. Ghost also got rid of almost all of my favorite characters throughout the show. Ghost very much appeals to emotions. Ghost also, on the logical end of things, has alot of issues on how things are plotted out, especially in terms of plot. The list goes on. And what ended up happening on my end when it came to a show like this was that, while I do certainly think the show has its highs(the Alain specials), it also has some mighty lows(Sin Specter), and by the end of it all, heck, for the majority of its run, I just kinda shrugged at the overall experience. Is Ghost the worst show in all of Rider? I don't think so(I'd say that's Decade), but I also wouldn't say it's one of the best either. It just kinda... is. Personally, I felt alot of what it went for was done alot better in Wizard. As such, I'm sorry to disappoint both sides of the fence, but in the end, Ghost really didn't do too much for me personally. I certainly did like certain characters and aspects about it, but did any of it hit me as hard as any of my personal favorite entries so far? Not even close. Heck, even Onari, who from what I understand is a very love-him-or-hate-him character, was just kinda there for me. I got a giggle here and there, but was he out and out hilarious? No. Didn't ever find him super annoying either. Just kinda stock comic relief to me. Insulting as it might seem, that seems to be how I feel about alot of Ghost: Stock. Thus, my final rating for Kamen Rider Ghost is 2/6. Again, it has some nice stuff, but I overall just kinda felt it was mediocre and it didn't leave any sort of huge impact on me. I feel it's one of those shows that you can very easily tell within the first few episodes if you're gonna jive with it or not. So, what song did I end up deciding to add to my Kamen Rider Playlist in order to represent Ghost? Well, given the overall message of the show, I had a few songs I could've went with, but I ultimately went with "Live Life" by Crush 40; A song about the ups and downs of life and how that very aspect is what makes it worth living. Very fitting, I think. Next up on the list of Rider shows is Skyrider once me and my binge buddy take a bit of a break. Looks like fun.
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10-30-2021, 07:49 AM | #16917 |
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The list goes on. And what ended up happening on my end when it came to a show like this was that, while I do certainly think the show has its highs(the Alain specials), it also has some mighty lows(Sin Specter), and by the end of it all, heck, for the majority of its run, I just kinda shrugged at the overall experience. Is Ghost the worst show in all of Rider? I don't think so(I'd say that's Decade), but I also wouldn't say it's one of the best either. It just kinda... is. Personally, I felt alot of what it went for was done alot better in Wizard.
It sucks to hear that you ultimately didn't end up joining the rest of us Ghost lovers, but at least you found a few things to enjoy about it. The comparison to Wizard is apt and I think a lot of the stuff I like about that show is the reason why I like Ghost as well. They're both about accepting that tragedy is a part of life and finding the strength to keep living despite that and I think it's smart how Ghost uses the theme of emotions to show that the human heart is a strength with infinite potential, not a weakness. Quote:
So, what song did I end up deciding to add to my Kamen Rider Playlist in order to represent Ghost? Well, given the overall message of the show, I had a few songs I could've went with, but I ultimately went with "Live Life" by Crush 40; A song about the ups and downs of life and how that very aspect is what makes it worth living. Very fitting, I think.
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10-30-2021, 08:26 AM | #16918 |
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10-30-2021, 08:36 AM | #16919 |
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10-30-2021, 08:54 AM | #16920 |
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Alain's character arc was one of the best parts of Ghost for sure, even people who generally dislike Ghost usually agree with that. The Heroic Legend of Alain specials do a great job at showing his fear of living as a human, without trying to sugarcoat it or anything. Specter Rebirth is a movie I've come to appreciate a lot more on rewatch and not just cause it looks cool either, but I honestly think it's a pretty satisfying conclusion to the Makoto Doppelganger and Ganma World subplots, while setting up the continuation of Takeru's story in the Memories of the Future novel.
Sin Specter was a movie that I felt had alot of potential, but ultimately fell flat. The action was great, but I just couldn't the writers screwing over my boy Alain in favor of Makoto again ontop of Ghost's' fixation on trying to say that every horrible dad in the show is a good one. The new forms themselves do look cool though. Quote:
It sucks to hear that you ultimately didn't end up joining the rest of us Ghost lovers, but at least you found a few things to enjoy about it. The comparison to Wizard is apt and I think a lot of the stuff I like about that show is the reason why I like Ghost as well. They're both about accepting that tragedy is a part of life and finding the strength to keep living despite that and I think it's smart how Ghost uses the theme of emotions to show that the human heart is a strength with infinite potential, not a weakness.
Glad to see someone see where I'm coming from with the Wizard comparison! I really do feel that the aspects of empathy, hope for the future, and living life to its fullest was done better there, and even if Wizard isn't my favorite Rider season, it's one that I do have alot of respect for because of that. Quote:
That title is only 2 "A"s short of Alive A Life though. You ain't trying to Ryukiroll me, riiiight?
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