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10-16-2021, 05:45 PM | #521 |
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Okay, now we can finally close the chapter on Tsukasa finding the place where he belongs. He knows where he came from, that he has a little sister he abandoned, the terrible person he used to be and that even his own world has now rejected him like all the others. Which means, there will be no world that accepts him. And it's here that his identity as Kamen Rider Decade is finally understood. Tsukasa is like his sister Sayo here. He feels bound to this world, since it's the world he was searching for, but that prevents him from leaving it behind. It's a cage of his own making. So after realizing that his journey can't end with this destination, he gives that same message to Sayo, that she can leave behind the cage she trapped herself in and stop depending on Tsukasa and Tsukikage to live. She can make her own journey.
Probably my second favorite Phase 1 summer movie behind Ore Tanjou. It nicely gives closure to Tsukasa's backstory while allowing him to move forward and find purpose in his open-ended journey. There's a lot of awesome stuff as well like the big gathering of the Riders, Decade finally Kamen Riding in to Hibiki since getting the card back, Decade getting his own Final Form Ride, since this is his world after all and King Dark showing up as the final villain! I watched the Director's Cut, which includes some wonderful extended scenes like the rainy melancholy with Tsukasa and Natsumi talking through the door, Tsukasa encouraging Sayo to spread her wings and the neat behind the scenes stuff in the credits. Overall, a great movie to celebrate Decade's journey and the legacy of Heisei Riders. And most recently in the World of Amazon, where Tsukasa was inexplicably offended that Masahiko left his sister behind.
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10-16-2021, 05:55 PM | #522 |
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Okay, now we can finally close the chapter on Tsukasa finding the place where he belongs. He knows where he came from, that he has a little sister he abandoned, the terrible person he used to be and that even his own world has now rejected him like all the others. Which means, there will be no world that accepts him. And it's here that his identity as Kamen Rider Decade is finally understood. Tsukasa is like his sister Sayo here. He feels bound to this world, since it's the world he was searching for, but that prevents him from leaving it behind. It's a cage of his own making. So after realizing that his journey can't end with this destination, he gives that same message to Sayo, that she can leave behind the cage she trapped herself in and stop depending on Tsukasa and Tsukikage to live. She can make her own journey.
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10-16-2021, 06:45 PM | #523 |
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So Gackt choose to play an A.R Joji Yuki because he was one of his favorite Riders. And that he was supposed to transform into a new version of Riderman but they apparantly didn't finish his suit.
Also apparantly (again second hand info I can't find a source on) the script for this movie was originally for the tv show finale. And honestly I wished it was it has a massive Rider team-up, Tsukasa past and story finally revealed. And even if it wasn't there a nicr bookends feeling I got out of it. In compairson to wht we did get. Also speaking of the Decade finale are you goijg to watch the original version or the special edition, or both? If your going to watch the Special Edition I could just tell you the timestamps as for where the changes occur in both episodes since there isn't much of them. And the only one that matters truefully is the final episode.
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10-16-2021, 07:21 PM | #524 |
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Also speaking of the Decade finale are you goijg to watch the original version or the special edition, or both? If your going to watch the Special Edition I could just tell you the timestamps as for where the changes occur in both episodes since there isn't much of them. And the only one that matters truefully is the final episode.
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10-16-2021, 07:39 PM | #525 |
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Also apparantly (again second hand info I can't find a source on) the script for this movie was originally for the tv show finale. And honestly I wished it was it has a massive Rider team-up, Tsukasa past and story finally revealed. And even if it wasn't there a nicr bookends feeling I got out of it. In compairson to wht we did get.
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Also speaking of the Decade finale are you goijg to watch the original version or the special edition, or both? If your going to watch the Special Edition I could just tell you the timestamps as for where the changes occur in both episodes since there isn't much of them. And the only one that matters truefully is the final episode.
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10-16-2021, 09:03 PM | #526 |
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This movie, as Die mentioned, is a lot of fun, with some really good plot points, but does suffer in some of those regards. I never personally had anything against this movie, since at the time I heard it wasn't very well-loved. It introduces us to a grand Rider battle royale (Shinji's probably not happy), having the crew torn apart and put into this situation that looks hopeless, but then one final spark turns the tables.
I do feel like the Dai-Shocker Great Leader Tsukasa plot to be a little out of the blue, but also considered how Tsukasa seems to just naturally fit into his roles in worlds, or at least when it comes to how he acts like a jerk. Maybe it helped me like this movie better? I'm not too sure, though even all these odd and underplayed ideas can't take the fun out of the action. Now that I think about it, Tsukasa treated Natsume rather neglectedly at the start of the show, much like his sister presented here, how he ditches her to find a world he could better fit in. Don't know whether that was intentional or not, but people also point out the bit where he acknowledges AR Tendou's sister in Kabuto World. Seeing all the Riders fight together is definitely fun, regardless how well the story is or not, but there's just something special about this one. Maybe it's the Final Form Ride storm, maybe it's Giant Decade (thanks J!), or just the thrill of seeing these karate bugmen blow monsters up with their kicks, I can't quite put my foot on it. And our boy Gackt as Riderman, who I didn't know who he was or who he was playing as, to my beginner's perspective, until later. But hearing that Riderman was his favorite was cool, even though it is a shame he couldn't get to wear his own suit and join the final battle. I feel like this movie was a good ending for Decade... If that were the ending. As we might have come to expect from these Rider movies, they may or may not fit into the timeline of their show, or at least consistently, but they do have their own ways of providing entertainment, and that's good enough for me. |
10-17-2021, 01:40 AM | #527 |
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So, I guess first and foremost my biggest question has to be "How the hell did IXA get an invite to the strongest Rider battle?" I mean, I know he's just paired up versus Skyrider, but it's still really weird.
I'm a bit divided on this movie. I think there are definitely some things in here that work and pay off some of Tsukasa's development from the series. There's also a lot of stuff that feels like a complete ass-pull (everyone is secretly a Showa villain!). I've never loved the idea that Tsukasa was the leader of Dai-Shocker, pre-amnesia, nor that he would immediately snap back into that mode upon regaining his memories. I remember being really excited about the big fight at the end with all of the Riders showing up, but I will absolutely agree that it feels less special after seeing half a dozen other movies with the same suits in the same quarry fighting similar grab bags of random monsters (no Joker this time, but we did get the Orphenoch King demoted to mid-tier mook). It does rob the film of some of its uniqueness seeing it again all these years later. |
10-17-2021, 02:11 AM | #528 |
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So, I’ll start by mentioning that this was the first exclusively Rider film I saw. So I have a bit of a soft spot for it.
One thing that actually surprised me (I somehow saw Tsukasa being the bad guy coming) was the grandpa turning into Professor Shinigami. And I’ll also mention that said scene is a lot more focused on in the manga version of this movie, which also doesn’t include the bit where Grandpa turns up later, asking “why do I taste beer and squid?” (I’ll also point out that this isn’t entirely out of nowhere. A few episodes ago, he was ironing the cape he wears here for a “fancy dress ball”) I’ll also talk about the big cultural impact of this movie in Japan. The idea of a big movie featuring all the past heroes of a 38 + years old franchise hadn’t been done before (Sentai having 25 Red heroes in Gao v SS notwithstanding). But the success of All Riders, combined with the success of the Ultra Series movie Mega Monster Battle:Ultra Galaxy Legends the Movie (which in addition to featuring every Showa Ultra, plus two Heisei Ultras and two entirely new ones, in addition to having a former Prime Minister on the cast doing voice work), popularised the idea of appealing to the nostalgia crowd, with quite a few old school veterans who hadn’t touched their Toku franchises beyond conventions and occasional cameos in movies suddenly wanted to make return appearances (it’s no coincidence that the next Sentai show to enter development was also a big anniversary show where he heroes transform into their predecessors). It’s a craze that’s had its ups and it’s downs, but overall, I think “hey, if it draws in a crowd, why stop?” |
10-17-2021, 03:47 PM | #529 |
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I fell a little behind on this thread, which is a bummer, especially when the thing I'm late to is Net Movie talk.
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I also think it's interesting that Takaiwa immediately picks Kiva as the heaviest suit he wore, even though he turns out to be wrong. Going back to the talk of this from the Kiva thread for a second, I've never seen a single proper source on that whole story of why Emperor Form got used so much, but I think there's at least some degree of truth of there if stuff like this is anything to go by. I'm pretty sure Takaiwa would think Kiva was heavier due to a combination of the weight being distributed less evenly, and the fact that Kiva's whole body language involved leaning over constantly, which would only exacerbate the strain of it being so top-heavy. Entirely conjecture on my part, though! I have a big soft spot for this movie. I'm pretty sure I got around to this before Let's Go Kamen Riders was subbed, so this would've actually been the first big dumb crossover movie for me, which means I definitely wasn't numb to this stuff. Even though this movie started a ton of trends I'm not any more fond of than most people, I do have to admit I thought it was kinda cool here, back when I wasn't aware of all the characters that are supposed to be in those suits. And then nowadays, I still think it's funny that Decade randomly fighting Amazon is considered a big enough event to cut to the title card on, so like, how can I hate this thing? (Plus, the Kaneda-directed action here is the good weighty and visceral kind rather than the weirdly stiff and boring Super Hero Taisen kind, which makes a huge difference.) It's definitely trying to do stuff with the story, too, for what it's worth, even though it's trying in that usual messy Decade way. I remember actively hating the whole reveal of Tsukasa's backstory. I think it was because I got invested in how he felt like, as you put it based on the first episode, Kamen Rider Everyman, and his hastily-executed return to the dark side and redemption here steps all over that a lot. But like, for one thing, the show very constantly and consistently highlighted Tsukasa's encyclopedic knowledge of Rider monsters (he speaks Grongi!), so it IS clear this was probably the intent from the start, making it another rare instance of Decade doing actual set-up. Plus, Tsukasa being the literal leader of the ultimate Rider bad guy group who became a hero anyway means he sort of has the ultimate Rider backstory, and even with the sloppy way it's handled, that feels perfect for a guy celebrating an anniversary. (Not that it was actually the anniversary for any of these Showa guys, but, well, onore Dikeido.) Tsukasa's arc here has its problems, for sure, but I can appreciate that it is trying to make some kind of actual point. If the Nega World speech was the definitive statement on what Tsukasa wants for others, I think this movie makes an equally definitive one on what he wants for himself. It makes a nice coda for the series, even though it isn't the end, and also has just enough bits of strange continuity to not fit in the middle of the show either. But again, this kind of madness is all part of what makes Decade what it is.
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10-17-2021, 08:23 PM | #530 |
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I do feel like the Dai-Shocker Great Leader Tsukasa plot to be a little out of the blue, but also considered how Tsukasa seems to just naturally fit into his roles in worlds, or at least when it comes to how he acts like a jerk. Maybe it helped me like this movie better? I'm not too sure, though even all these odd and underplayed ideas can't take the fun out of the action.
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Seeing all the Riders fight together is definitely fun, regardless how well the story is or not, but there's just something special about this one. Maybe it's the Final Form Ride storm, maybe it's Giant Decade (thanks J!), or just the thrill of seeing these karate bugmen blow monsters up with their kicks, I can't quite put my foot on it.
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It's definitely trying to do stuff with the story, too, for what it's worth, even though it's trying in that usual messy Decade way. I remember actively hating the whole reveal of Tsukasa's backstory. I think it was because I got invested in how he felt like, as you put it based on the first episode, Kamen Rider Everyman, and his hastily-executed return to the dark side and redemption here steps all over that a lot. But like, for one thing, the show very constantly and consistently highlighted Tsukasa's encyclopedic knowledge of Rider monsters (he speaks Grongi!), so it IS clear this was probably the intent from the start, making it another rare instance of Decade doing actual set-up. Plus, Tsukasa being the literal leader of the ultimate Rider bad guy group who became a hero anyway means he sort of has the ultimate Rider backstory, and even with the sloppy way it's handled, that feels perfect for a guy celebrating an anniversary. (Not that it was actually the anniversary for any of these Showa guys, but, well, onore Dikeido.)
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