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05-13-2022, 02:33 AM | #1051 |
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Have to admit, I managed to keep this reveal a surprise with a fake compare and contrast pretty well (probably helped that I was just as completely surprised back when the episode aired). Anyway, here’s the real one.
Shinnosuke had a partnership with Kim Steinbelt, which grew from the latter giving him advice and encouragement, until they were able to sync their minds as one. Meanwhile, Paradox is a Roidmude who completely fused with her past self, and took on Ora’s form to sow discord between her and Heure. And while she did briefly work with the original Ora, she still wanted to kill her to be the only one. Next time: White Woz returns for a Woz vs GingaFinaly fight. Whoops, I seem to be recapping too far ahead. |
05-13-2022, 07:03 AM | #1052 |
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Surprise! It's Episode 45!
-Aw man, Heure's dead, If only there was someone on the team who could turn back time to save him, preferably someone who already has done it twice in the past...(This is a joke. I don't knock off points if the healer doesn't immediately step in if a character suffers a non imemdiate but fatal wound in a JRPG cutscene, that's silly. Still, It's kinda bizzare Zi-O II's wild and seemingly OP powerset was just traded in for summoning Riders for Grand Zi-O, right?) Anyway, Heure always felt pretty early on that he'd be most likely to break off from the team due to not always being onboard with Swartz's schemes but stuck around because 1) he geniunely believed in urusping Ohma Zi-O, even if it meant dirtier methods here and there and 2) poor kid probably has nowehere else to go, what a shame. -I......didn't know the Paradox Roidmude was also a movie villian, I just thought it was a random Roidmude they made up on the spot. That makes a lot more sense. -The fantasy diemsion is called Another World, is it supposed to be a little reference to AR Worlds, since it's the power of Another Decade? That's cute. -Did. Did anyone geniunely wanted to see the return of White Woz again? Because I sure didn't? I thought the note we ended on for his character was fine enough. |
05-13-2022, 10:21 AM | #1053 |
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This was a case of too little too late for me with Heure. The foundation for him being the one decent Time Jacker who could change and develop was laid out during the Kikai arc... only for them to do absolutely nothing with all the way until now, which ends up just feeling as though they just needed a way to get the villains out of the way. In the end the only thing I felt was disappointment.
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I'm interested in it mostly because I'm curious what the return of The Rider Who Makes Geiz Sound Heroic But Really Just Wants Him to Be A Murderer says about this specific conflict Geiz is having with Sougo over how to find empathy for your foes.
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05-13-2022, 03:40 PM | #1054 |
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KAMEN RIDER ZI-O EPISODE 45 - ?2019 - ETERNAL PARTY?
The big one is, naturally, the one between Sougo and Geiz. It?s their incompatible worldviews, which become more relevant the closer we get to a finale. Geiz doesn?t believe people can change, because he?s seen real horrors. When someone shows you who they really are, you don?t need to risk your safety to ask follow-up questions. You protect innocents, and you destroy monsters. Sougo?s someone he can get behind because Oma Zi-O doesn?t exist yet; it?s a paradox that allows Geiz to have his friendship while still feeling like a dedicated soldier. Quote:
Since we?re in the middle part of a three-parter (at a minimum!), this plot is left nicely open-ended. While Tsukuyomi is still openly conflicted about the Time Orphans? value to Sougo?s development and/or defeating Swartz, Geiz?z feelings are left a bit more ambiguous. To me, he reads as embarrassed by his lack of emotional growth, and how he?s let Sougo down. He?s not built for protecting people, or seeing the good in people. He?s a grim executioner from the future, and he feels like that?s where he should?ve stayed.
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Especially when it gets you murdered! Yeah, Heure dies in this one, probably. (Deaths are ambiguous on most Kamen Rider shows, doubly so for a time-travel show with multiple timelines.) Even though I didn?t guess that Another Drive was the Paradox Roidmude (another movie villain!!!), I still correctly surmised that Ora would gladly turn on Heure if it ensured her survival. I imagine most folks won?t care too much, since the Time Jackers rarely felt like three-dimensional characters, but I thought the last couple episodes did a lot to make Heure feel like a character who deserved the chance that Sougo was offering. Seeing him get cut down by what he thought was a friend, all because she couldn?t see a way where they could be more than the villains they were? like, that?s a nicely poignant death scene.
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I liked a lot of pieces of this episode? It?s darker, which feels appropriate for an episode full of Dark Riders. Eternal?s back, and that?s always fun. (He?s also responsible for Surprise Drive, helping to tie together the Drive elements.) I always liked Aqua?s fluid fighting style. I?m a sucker for Tsukasa just going The Rules Never Apply To Me, and then jumping ahead in the story to solve the mystery. It?s a good middle episode of a three-parter.
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Heure was always the least malicious of the Time Jackers, he's done some typical bad things but nothing as depraved as Ora and Swartz have committed. He's also done some good things (for antihero reasons), like saving Another Ghost's host from his original death and helping Woz outsmart White Woz. He also has the most loyalty to his fellow Time Jackers, being the only one to not use them and he didn't hesitate to help Ora escape after Swartz betrayed them. So I like how easily Sougo can befriend him, since Sougo can see both the good and bad in people and he probably sees that Heure is someone who became this way due to his past of being orphaned and that loneliness is something he can relate to due to being ostracized for his dream of becoming king.
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05-13-2022, 04:04 PM | #1055 |
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About characters succumbing to the gravity of their pasts or not, it's pulled here for Eternal and Aqua too, of which Aqua claiming Eternal will lose because he's just a ghost of a past. But Eternal makes another point about how, every future will inherently turn into a past. Probably this shows that what decides the future is still what happened in the past.
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05-13-2022, 05:37 PM | #1056 |
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So, I guess this is the best we're going to get for a W tribute arc, huh?
Everybody deserves a redemption arc. And Ueru (I still don't know how to spell his name) made good use of his time in this arc, until he died. And you know what? I think it had a lot more impact than Swartz being the big bad, or more than I thought it would boil down to in general. This was not a bad arc in the slightest. It's cool to see Eternal again via Another Decade's power, though I must admit, I wish they did a better W tribute than this and the noodle guy in Heisei Generations Forever. It's not bad, but some of this arc doesn't really fit him? Unless people getting stuck in eternal dreamworlds is the point, than otherwise, good joke, Toei. The theme of past and future works well here, as is shown throughout the season, people think only of the past, clouding their paths and judgements by only what they know of, rather than thinking of the now and later. Whereas Sougo believes they can have a better future, which makes sense, since he's been told he's going to become evil, but that's the point, you have to act in order to change the future, whether you're told "you will be bad" you won't know until you try. And that's something that resonates with me about Sougo, he's not biased to "good" and "evil," even if there are bumps in the road, he takes them in stride, looking to the bigger picture no matter what. |
05-13-2022, 06:18 PM | #1057 |
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I remember being surprised when the show killed off Heure. Not that I didn't expect the show to off villains, but it still caught me off guard that they would kill off the kid. I'm kind of used to shows not killing off children (and yeah, I'm sure he was somewhere in his later teens, but he looks like he's maybe 13-14).
The Eternal cameo was fun. It's a short phase, given the show is almost over, but I do love this era's "okay, who else is available?" approach to guest stars. |
05-13-2022, 09:07 PM | #1058 |
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It's cool to see Eternal again via Another Decade's power, though I must admit, I wish they did a better W tribute than this and the noodle guy in Heisei Generations Forever. It's not bad, but some of this arc doesn't really fit him? Unless people getting stuck in eternal dreamworlds is the point, than otherwise, good joke, Toei.
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05-13-2022, 09:20 PM | #1059 |
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It's especially weird that they never got Accel for a W arc, because Accel shows up in everything. He was in both a Drive and a Gaim movie! He was just in some Revice web-series! I think he's behind at least three accounts on this forum! They probably had to work harder to not have him in this series!
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05-13-2022, 09:20 PM | #1060 |
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It's especially weird that they never got Accel for a W arc, because Accel shows up in everything. He was in both a Drive and a Gaim movie! He was just in some Revice web-series! I think he's behind at least three accounts on this forum! They probably had to work harder to not have him in this series!
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