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04-17-2023, 09:08 PM | #61 |
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TL;DR: This episode struck a nerve with me and I ended up disliking it immensely.
Fuller thoughts: Episodes like this really showcase the problem with this show's' pacing right now. While I liked a decent chunk of what they were going for, alot of it is marred by things just kinda getting glossed over. Also, I do not for one second actually believe that Ayaka's' mother actually loved/cared for her. Awful parent. No Line Texts this time since they're very standard in terms of Vice making jokes and Ikki telling Vice to stay focused.
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04-17-2023, 09:20 PM | #62 |
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While I know you're wary of the Giffamilia compared to the Book Club in Saber, I can say without a doubt that the Deadmans are a better evil organization, in terms of both flair and singular characters.
That being said... didn't care much for this episode back then and now, and it's mostly because of the mom. The action sequence is a notable one for me purely because of how bad the CG City they're leaping around in is at points. Also Ptera is Faiz... I guess? Well not like we'll be seeing it that often probably. I mean, Ptera is the hoverbike and considering Toei's real lax with bike scenes do you really think they'll take the time to do hoverbike stuff constantly? |
04-17-2023, 10:06 PM | #63 |
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Aguilera's actress originally auditioned to play Sakura, but the producers passed on her because she was too old. They cast her as the villain instead and - I will keep this vague here - ultimately ended up doing a lot more with the character than they originally planned to.
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Fuller thoughts: Episodes like this really showcase the problem with this show's' pacing right now. While I liked a decent chunk of what they were going for, alot of it is marred by things just kinda getting glossed over. Also, I do not for one second actually believe that Ayaka's' mother actually loved/cared for her. Awful parent.
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The action sequence is a notable one for me purely because of how bad the CG City they're leaping around in is at points. Also Ptera is Faiz... I guess? Well not like we'll be seeing it that often probably.
I mean, Ptera is the hoverbike and considering Toei's real lax with bike scenes do you really think they'll take the time to do hoverbike stuff constantly? And it's so weird that they went to the trouble of commissioning an actual hoverbike, then let its onscreen debut consist of CG and composited shots. What is even the point of it, then?! You might as well get the bicycle back from previous episodes!
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04-18-2023, 03:12 AM | #64 |
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So to start with, this was an episode I gelled slightly with…
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Episode 4: This is probably the best episode so far. It answers some questions as to why the Vistamps incorporate those 10 specific Riders, why the Deadmans are going around stamping people (though it does pose the question of why the captain’s tried to kill him in the first episode) and what Julio and Olteca actually are. We also get a hint at some stakes, with Ikki’s picture going the way of Marty McFly’s. My main gripe is that in this week?s victim conflict, neither side came off as particularly sympathetic. The mum is forcing one daughter into a career at a young age, while spurning her other one, while said other one is willingly collaborating with a cult dedicated to destroying humanity. Though at least they didn’t shoehorn in a scene where they forgive each other.
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Ikki: It’s Ikki’s… Vice: And Vice’s… Both: Stamp Navi! Ikki: And today’s stamp is this one! Ptera! Updraft! First Class! Pterosaur! Ptera! Flying by! Complete! Ikki: This stamp allows Vice to transform into Rider Machine Vice. This allows us to fly high and move across vast distances easily. Vice: So, you can finally call yourself a Kamen Rider. As for me, I’m stuck as a guy with no mask or ride. George: No-one cares. Let?s talk about today?s Legend. Desire Driver: Faiz! Standing By! Takumi: Henshin! Complete! George: Kamen Rider Faiz, one of three belts created by Smart Brain to protect the king of their own genetic successor to humanity, the Orpheus Enoch, or Orphnoch. The main user was a Wolf Orphnoch, Takumi Inui. Though he had no dreams of his own, he fought to protect those of others. (Vice is now being handed tissues by Auto Vajin) Vice: I know man, it’s just so painful. Ikki: We hope you enjoy the next instalment. Last edited by Androzani84; 04-20-2023 at 06:16 PM.. |
04-18-2023, 03:53 AM | #65 |
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I could use this episode to talk about pretty much my biggest gripe with the show and the core of what I think it screws up, but I’ll get plenty of chances for that anyway and seeing it repeat a few times won’t hurt.
So, let me instead talk about something I really enjoy about this episode. We never knew the Phase 2 was gonna be a thing. It didn’t show up in any Scans or promotional material, so it was a legit surprise! And I loved it when it happened, especially since the Phase 2‘s designs are all great, compared to how meh I am on the Phase 1‘s. So, yeah, great surprise!
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04-18-2023, 05:15 AM | #66 |
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KAMEN RIDER REVICE EPISODE 4 - “LACKING LOVE BIRTHS DANGEROUS DEMONS”
There’s a neat complexity to the beginning part of this episode, where emotions and relationships are allowed to be complicated: Daiji resents Ikki’s lack of focus as Kamen Rider Revi; Ikki chafes against Daiji’s value system and selfishness; Ayaka resents her sister’s primacy in their mother’s eyes; Ayaka’s mother is maybe doing a not great job of caring for one moody teenager and one pre-teen celebrity, but is mostly just guilty of some slight inattention. It’s a group of characters that all have valid reasons to be upset, but also are all lacking in the empathy that would let them consider someone else’s feelings. It’s messy! I like a messy storyline where everyone’s a little wrong! Quote:
The problem with a messy storyline on a Kamen Rider show is that, nine times out of ten, there needs to be a good guy and a bad guy; things need to flatten out for a clear victory with a side of Rider Kick. What starts off as a nicely nuanced exploration of differing perspectives and emotional needs within a family structure just resolves into Ayaka’s Mother Was Wrong and Ikki Signs With Fenix. It’s two characters subsuming their own needs into what’s best for someone else, rather than anyone collectively learning to respect boundaries and/or prioritize self-sufficiency. In a story that desperately needs to end with a middle ground solution, we’re left with two winners, and two losers.
The strife between Daiji and Ikki did happen, but though you depicted the previous episode of how unheroic Daiji is, and that there were people making dark speculations about him at that time, actually this shows that Daiji is one of the secondaries who is straight up heroic from the start, like Rintaro before. Good guys can be at odds with each other, not that one must be good or bad. Daiji gives me an Ichijou vibe here, he believes in the serious duty of the soldiers (Fenix) to protect the people, which'd mean not letting civilian with no real aspiration get involved, even if they have superpowers. Though that's the reason of him trying to get Ikki join Fenix so he'd be an actual part of the group having a actual public safety role, Ikki has impulsive nature of acting before thinking, and that Fenix is more well-equipped to do the job of fighting off Deadmans and especially tracking them down - while Ikki only goes fighting when he learns of the news, more passive. Ikki now did have more commitment to become the Kamen Rider that would keep the citizens safe, like how Yusuke gains Mighty Form after being more committed, which is how they make amends at the end of the episode. For Ayaka one, it'd be the opposite, it's about how both sides can share a portion of faults and that not only one side should be held accountable, which can happen to only solely blame the shitty parents, like Taeko, for how the child ends up as ignoring the child choosing to commit atrocities themselves. I didn't expect her revealing herself openly in front of others instead of keeping herself concealed with the shadowy cloaked outfit (outside of the sandals, which she keeps as civilian). Though yeah she has had a miserable life, her actions also have harmed others like those who watch the concert, which means she's still hold accountable for her actions here which are her own choice. Notably Ayaka's the one to escalate the Deadman threat as well of signing a contract, giving the debut of Phase 2 Deadman, with teleporting ability, and it seems that they're more sentient compared to the beastly usual Deadman (and I guess explains Revi holding Kong Deadman Phase 2 in place), and I got what I wanted of Deadmans showing a further corrupted version of the ViStamp users (Ayaka wanting to torment her mom). Taeko's a grounded take of a shitty parent of her deflecting blames and giving excuses of her actions to Ayaka, instead of a very over the top practice (blatantly abusive) that my country's TV show is rife of (and Yuka's treatment in Faiz reminds me of many of what my country airs instead), doesn't mean she's less despicable of having more subtle abuse (depending on the people, can make them more slimy with her vagueness, even if the over the top abusive one can cause more damage). She's also probably the type to crave fame (standard human... vice) to favor the child that can take her to that, Miharu. Though still Miharu's personality was never really shown, like how, only very small thing like reminding her mom that she'll be late in last ep., probably showing that she's dismissive of Ayaka too, but also takes her idol career seriously (instead of being pressured). Quote:
And even the solution… it’s just Love Them More? It makes a little more sense for the clearly troubled Ayaka than it does for Daiji, but both conclusions feel rushed and somewhat myopic. Ayaka’s got a sister that she imperiled, and a mother who (based on two episodes of appearances) is raising both of these kids solo. I don’t know if Ayaka’s mom is who should be at fault here? And Ikki’s asked to set aside his own convictions (reasonable ones!) to pick up Daiji’s slack and support Daiji’s goals, which is maybe not a great long-term strategy for resolving Daiji’s mood swings. I can respect Ikki opting to put in more energy to meeting Daiji’s demands as Ikki always sacrificing for his family, but alongside the Ayaka stuff, it’s a disappointing solution for a legitimate dilemma.
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In the periphery, we get some interesting exposition from the Giffamilia, where the types of monsters (and their scarcity) gets detailed, and Aguilera gets a little scene to emphasize that the enemy group is also a family. It’s not really a ton, and it’s maybe only a few degrees more interesting than the Book Club ever was on Saber, but the Giffamilia is intriguing enough to not write off yet. (I mean, it helps that Aguilera’s performance is so goddamn magnetic. There’s a seductive exuberance to her threats, and a performative petulance to her impatience. She makes such neat choices as an actor!) There’s also George’s robust Kamen Rider collection, which strangely goes unremarked upon, but I’m sure we’ll get there soon.
The Ptera form's special ability seems to be the Rider form that provides a huge vehicle, while the Rider itself didn't have many other than hopping around. The CGI's still questionable, but that applies to all KR series. The fight still portrays the monster's menace well though, with the damages from the rampage of Kong Deadman Phase 2 being prevalent. The finisher, again, seems to be the Ryuki type (Alternative's Final Vent) where your vehicle spins rapidly in impact to the opponent. Though the Faiz motif seems to be shown in Vice being a vehicle (like Auto Vajin), not much of Faiz-motif abilities like Mammoth's rail before though, probably the super-speed like stuff to save Miharu that resembles Faiz Axel. Speaking of Mammoth, the AoE capability is used well here to take out the swarms of the Giff Juniors at once.
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04-18-2023, 11:32 AM | #67 |
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Thanks for the fun and informative skit!
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Yeah, Revice has solid first half, but this was the part that I hate the most among it. The resolution is though... uhhhh... the usual extremely quick "everything's instantly fine" due to it not being the focus of the whole series and it only being 2-parter, that Ikki simply convinces Taeko to make up with Ayaka, without any substance (or they show too little via only flashbacks), I mean other than it being done too easily, there are no plausible reason for Taeko to suddenly change for lifetime behavior, when even after the Kong Deadman's rampage, she's still concerned about only Miharu's well-being. It can be to protect herself and Miharu for Deadman's rampage for example, but it's not addressed.
But, yeah, it's not a great episode for really delving into the home life of Ayaka in anything other than broad strokes and darkly-comedic favoritism. We can intuit that the mom was doing a worse job than she thought or intended, but it's still a big leap to get to that finale.
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04-18-2023, 12:08 PM | #68 |
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I like the idea behind origami, but... It kinda doesn't work? The Phase 1's look like Sentai monsters to me, in the worst way. They look gaudy, fake and just don't feel like actual creatures to me in a way Rider Kaijin usually do. Even as artificial as the book on the Megid looked, it still felt more like something that fits in that world more than the Phase 1's. When I look at a Megid, I see a homunculi abomination made out of a book; when I look at a Phase 2, I see an eldritch, demonic twisted animal. The Phase 1's feel like weird, colourful origami awkwardly layered on top of something more primal and subuded. It clashes in the worst way for me.
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04-18-2023, 09:06 PM | #69 |
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That's the thing for me, though: I want them to look gaudy and a little fake. Like, I'm not at all disagreeing with your descriptions, but the aesthetic payloads are reversed for me. I way more into a monster suit that looks like a monster suit, rather than looks like a monster. Luckily, this show is giving us both!
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04-18-2023, 09:14 PM | #70 |
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I think the differences between Phase 1 and 2 are kinda clever tbh, now that we have the Phase 2's and Phase 1's established I can kind of get into something that I thought of while reading this conversation at work today.
And that's how the paper/origami style to the Deadmen kind of are like almost a cocoon in a way. Each Deadman and Phase 2 both share similar legs, though Phase 2 obviously gives a bit of extra details to show evolution. But in a sense it's like the Deadman itself is shedding off the paper exterior now that contract has entered a more tight agreement. So they gain a more humanoid/demonic appearance as opposed to the Phase 1's more exaggerated looks. Honestly though, Gorilla Phase 2 is honestly my least favorite in terms of design... it just, feels a bit too generic to me. |
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