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07-10-2022, 05:59 AM | #311 |
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This movie is what got me to realize the significance in those words from the Force Riser, and in turn made it my second favorite belt in the show. While it's by no means perfect, I really like this movie. The action is top notch as always, the characters are engaging and/or interesting, and the emotional core of it all: the test of Aruto's resolve and if he's really willing to fight for what he believes in regardless of who his opponent might be, really worked for me. The Zi-O stuff is whatever, but Aruto and his father really shined here, which is definitely what the whole movie hinges on. Easily the best movie that Zero-One has to offer.
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07-10-2022, 06:31 AM | #312 |
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This being a 01 x Zi-O movie really feels like it didn't think any further than "The time-travelling crew takes the current main hero to the past!", given how the Zi-O cast just... basically are time tourists along for the ride after that point. I don't even remember Sougo and Aruto having any moments together other than that bizarre ending scene and the inevitable team-up fight with Grand (which I swear Momotaros' actor gave a voice cameo for)
One thing that is nice though is that Tsukuyomi is just... a part of that gang as a Rider with no need for explanation, and just treating it like she had been the whole series. It's also a thing in Geiz Majesty and Decade vs Zi-O, so it's neat to see it be that consistent after her form's really horrible debut in the series itself
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07-10-2022, 06:35 AM | #313 |
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It?s all the lowest-hanging daddy issues shit, and I can generally take or leave it. This franchise is lousy with dudes who lost one or both parents at a narratively convenient off-screen age ? all the better to facilitate an endless number of kindly uncles or oblivious grandfathers or well-meaning belts. I don?t honestly know why Toei?s internal policy is that living parents are detrimental to the sales of toys to children, but I?ve never done any focus-testing in Japan. Maybe every child in Japan is actually being raised by a mysterious benefactor who found them suffering from amnesia in the rain, and is secretly training them to bring about the end of the world, and they want to see their lives reflected back at them. I don?t know! But I do know that All Dads Are Dead.
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07-10-2022, 08:11 AM | #314 |
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So this movie!
As always, we get Tsukuyomi transforming in the tradition of "Let's use the Tsukuyomi suit as much as possible post series". Though this is the last thing you haven't covered that she was in so... ICHIGATA!!! Ichigata is my favorite suit from Zero-One (Ironic considering what my profile picture is, don't worry it's fittingly #2), it has a lot of good heft to it, is a really cool reference to Ichigo, bringing him into the modern era with a more mechanical aesthetic... and he has an energy scarf. I love energy cloth accessories, so if you give me an energy cape, scarf, etc? I will eat it up! |
07-10-2022, 10:28 AM | #315 |
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I actually surprisingly liked the movie myself, but to each their own!
I like how Zi-O seemingly separated all the Rider Worlds and yet that still isn't preventing crossovers. I dunno, the conflict between Aruto and his dad worked for me. Maybe it's because their suits were so amazing, the fight so dynamic, and Aruto gaining a new understanding of his father and what he did to help others and how much he really cared about Aruto...to me it was the emotional core of the whole movie. And I just loved those suits. I like the concept of Another Zero-One. Like, design-wise it fits a lot as a more monster version of Zero-One and continuing the trend of Another Riders up to that point, and having it be a Humagear fighting for the sake of other Humagears makes for a great parallel to Aruto. And yet...I don't feel they emotionally resolved him quite so well? I feel like Aruto should've been the one to ultimately confront him instead of Fuwa and Yua coldly slaying him no problem because there was no real emotional catharsis or reaction to his genuine concerns about Humagears. I like Finis design-wise even if she's even more razor-thin than most Time Jackers. And Another Ichigo...well, like, the Showa Riders were never really relevant to Zi-O but I guess in a theme about a new generation inspired by Ichigo on several fronts, it makes sense. I like that the movie showed off a lot of forms, like all of Zi-O's upgrades, team Zi-O fighting together as a team, and while Zero-One doesn't get a movie upgrade or Shining Hopper, he gets to fight alongside Grand Zi-O in all his forms before they finish with a Double Rider Kick in their base forms, which was neat for a final fight. I always found it interesting that Korenosuke is such a pivotal character to Aruto, his character arc, and his entire job really...and they never interact on-screen. Like, there's never one scene of them together or face-to-face between the actors, it's all in absentia. Aruto reacts to his grandfather's actions and legacy but never to his grandfather himself. Also, the implications that Korenosuke made a Humagear of his own son to raise his grandson...was he so consumed by grief and the effect it would have on Aruto that he didn't think he had any other choice? Was he on some level testing the depths they could go to with Humagears? Why didn't he build a Humagear of Aruto's mother? Did he feel he was already playing God too much? Was he just razor-focused on his own son? Did he not think Aruto needed a mother? I know Jin and Horobi were currently the major villains, but wow...they tanked a triple Rider Kick and didn't even de-transform! Sougo setting up Heisei vs Reiwa early with a quick Zi-O and Zero-One fight. I like to think Aruto won though. Quote:
This being a 01 x Zi-O movie really feels like it didn't think any further than "The time-travelling crew takes the current main hero to the past!", given how the Zi-O cast just... basically are time tourists along for the ride after that point. I don't even remember Sougo and Aruto having any moments together other than that bizarre ending scene and the inevitable team-up fight with Grand (which I swear Momotaros' actor gave a voice cameo for)
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07-10-2022, 11:12 AM | #316 |
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I always found it interesting that Korenosuke is such a pivotal character to Aruto, his character arc, and his entire job really...and they never interact on-screen. Like, there's never one scene of them together or face-to-face between the actors, it's all in absentia. Aruto reacts to his grandfather's actions and legacy but never to his grandfather himself.
Also, the implications that Korenosuke made a Humagear of his own son to raise his grandson...was he so consumed by grief and the effect it would have on Aruto that he didn't think he had any other choice? Was he on some level testing the depths they could go to with Humagears? Why didn't he build a Humagear of Aruto's mother? Did he feel he was already playing God too much? Was he just razor-focused on his own son? Did he not think Aruto needed a mother? (Aruto's mother is such a nonexistent concept (we don't hear a lick about her ever iirc) that it makes me think Aruto's real dad just invested in the adoption/surrogate process as a single father. As for Korenosuke's choice.....I don't know about you, but no matter how cool my robot parent turned out to be, the fact that my only living relative would rather do that, than yknow, actually spend time raising me, I'd be a little miffed personally.) |
07-10-2022, 12:51 PM | #317 |
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Yeah, it always irked me how Aruto's feelings about his grandfather are all very vague and in reference to his legacy as Hiden's president...but not as his grandfather? It's never impiled or hinted at what Korenosuke's dynamic with Aruto was like post-Soreo's destruction and pre-Episode 1 (Like, we are supposed to assume he took care of Aruto personally during that time? Or the way they're implied to be slightly estranged in Ep 1 is supposed to mean he just shipped him off somewhere while he focused on maintaining Hiden?)
(Aruto's mother is such a nonexistent concept (we don't hear a lick about her ever iirc) that it makes me think Aruto's real dad just invested in the adoption/surrogate process as a single father. As for Korenosuke's choice.....I don't know about you, but no matter how cool my robot parent turned out to be, the fact that my only living relative would rather do that, than yknow, actually spend time raising me, I'd be a little miffed personally.) Tendo had his grandmother but that was about it. Ryotaro's older sister was basically his mother. Wataru's mother was fairly plot relevant (and Megumi was kind of defined by her own mother) even if she only really did any actual mothering in, like, the last few episodes of Kiva. Kota was another instance of a characters' older sister basically being his mother. Sento's mom showed up for two episodes (but those were some very emotionally impactful two episodes). |
07-10-2022, 12:57 PM | #318 |
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Depsite this being a Hiden family story, it kinda.....throws Koronosuke under the damn bus? Going "well *Soreo* was the one who created the KR system and was cruical in making sure Ark's plans were thwarted", and all Koronsosuke gets to do is realize Will's plans before it's too late, it's a little......At the very least, I wanted to know why the guy thought giving his orphaned grandson a Humagear dad was better than raising Aruto himself?
-What happened to Aruto's mother? -Why does Grampa Hiden make a robot dad, but not a robot mom? -What happens after Headphones Dad is blown up? Does Aruto just live in an orphanage for the next decade? Aruto and his grandad never feel like they had some being falling out, but that old man avoided Aruto like he was radioactive. A lot of questions left to answer! Quote:
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While it's by no means perfect, I really like this movie. The action is top notch as always, the characters are engaging and/or interesting, and the emotional core of it all: the test of Aruto's resolve and if he's really willing to fight for what he believes in regardless of who his opponent might be, really worked for me.
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One thing that is nice though is that Tsukuyomi is just... a part of that gang as a Rider with no need for explanation, and just treating it like she had been the whole series. It's also a thing in Geiz Majesty and Decade vs Zi-O, so it's neat to see it be that consistent after her form's really horrible debut in the series itself
That said, my favorite scene for her in this movie was trying to wrangle Geiz in 2007, when he's just doing combat rolls in front of every robot he sees. Her being some perennially-overworked Time Mom is intensely nostalgic for me. Quote:
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Ichigata is my favorite suit from Zero-One (Ironic considering what my profile picture is, don't worry it's fittingly #2), it has a lot of good heft to it, is a really cool reference to Ichigo, bringing him into the modern era with a more mechanical aesthetic... and he has an energy scarf. I love energy cloth accessories, so if you give me an energy cape, scarf, etc? I will eat it up!
Yeah, there's a real narrative shrug here, with Woz going I Guess They're Combining Again. I don't care, it's just a movie, and we need them to team-up. But still! Not a ton of effort on justifying the return of a lot of the elements Sougo sacrificed so much to eliminate.
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07-10-2022, 12:57 PM | #319 |
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It’s all the lowest-hanging daddy issues shit, and I can generally take or leave it. This franchise is lousy with dudes who lost one or both parents at a narratively convenient off-screen age – all the better to facilitate an endless number of kindly uncles or oblivious grandfathers or well-meaning belts. I don’t honestly know why Toei’s internal policy is that living parents are detrimental to the sales of toys to children, but I’ve never done any focus-testing in Japan. Maybe every child in Japan is actually being raised by a mysterious benefactor who found them suffering from amnesia in the rain, and is secretly training them to bring about the end of the world, and they want to see their lives reflected back at them. I don’t know! But I do know that All Dads Are Dead. Quote:
So to see this movie not only go all in Aruto Requires Closure From His Dad, but then hinge the entire climax on the film with Aruto needing to physically defeat AND KILL his own father to prove that he’s capable of being his own man… I hate that? I hate almost every word of that, and it all feels antithetical to every single smart thing this show ever did. The scene of Headphones Dad tearfully telling Aruto how proud is he of Aruto, finally, because Aruto was able to murder him – for COMPLETELY FAKE REASONS – made me so angry I almost turned it off. Aruto fighting his dad is gross. Headphones Dad faking being evil to force Aruto into a fight is disgusting. The movie deciding that Aruto executing his father is both an unavoidable and deeply noble act, that should be celebrated, is horrifying.
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I mean, sort of. There’s an idea in here that I think is worth exploring, even if the movie never really wants to discuss it in a meaningful way. It’s in the scene where Will is talking to Aruto’s grandfather about the recent promotional push for the Humagear launch. Hiden is positioning the Humagears as a way to bring smiles to humanity. Will askes, simply, how will humanity bring smiles to Humagears? It’s a fair question, and a smart question. Hiden can say that Humagears are partners to humanity, but everything about them is sold as slave labor. What is humanity doing to uplift Humagears? Aruto’s grandfather basically goes You’re So Clever and immediately leaves the room, so we never even get to hear even a bullshit platitude to placate Will, and I’m starting to understand his genocidal rage. This is a question core to both this movie, and the series as a whole, and almost no one wants to address it. What we’re given is just Don’t Do A Genocide, and I’m not sure that gets at the fundamental imbalance in the human/Humagear relationship?
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Zi-O does not fare that much better! Team Zi-O’s incredibly charming in this, old pros showing how it’s done, and incredibly wasted in this. The movie never quite finds a way to integrate Sougo’s worldview into the narrative, leaving him and Geiz and Tsukuyomi and Woz to hover at the edges and deal with a bland I’m Here To Talk About Generations And Riders villain. (I don’t know why there are still more Timejackers???) They feel like they’re guest-starring on someone else’s show, rather than collaborating on an exciting new adventure. They’re a plot device to get Aruto moving back and forth in time, and that’s about it. You could take out the Another Ichigou stuff entirely and it wouldn’t affect either the plot or the themes.
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07-10-2022, 06:21 PM | #320 |
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This is an altered time of Zero-One, the alternate timeline to have... all of this happening so it's separate from the main series, but yeah it does betray the principle of Aruto having a good, loving Humagear dad that fueled his worldview, because here, though he's not operating in malice, he seems to be a dad who gave poor upbringing to Aruto, like his view of his son being ready to be on his own is the.. outdated Spartan way of besting him in a fight? Along with the complicated setup like feigning being corrupted with Ark to make sure that the fight is done to the death so Aruto can be "independent". Why making yourself dead in the process? Kids would rather have their parents around right even if they're already an adult. Another showing of Soreo having poor grasp of being a parent here. This is an alter(ed)nate timeline, but dunno if Soreo would pull BS like this?
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