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12-20-2021, 04:57 AM | #151 |
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I don't go back to it nearly as much as the Double summer movie, but I enjoy this one quite a bit for similar reasons. The intensity of it is great, and like you said, it's got a killer ending. I'll always remember it as the one where Fourze does his handshake with a giant space robot, because that's the sort of moment that defines this character for me. He really makes friends with *everyone*.
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There?s a fight where it looks like Fourze cycles through all 40 Switches, which is nuts. I expect some form changes in a movie, but to use literally every suit and power-up? Between both of the show?s Riders? In one extended fight scene? Crazy. Completely over-the-top!
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Early-bird debut of (Kamen Rider) Wizard! I don?t really remember, and I?ll find out for sure in a few days, but does Wizard?s voice sound super weird here? There?s a distortion to it I don?t remember from the show, and Haruto?s voice sounds higher than I recall. It didn?t sound right, but maybe I?ve just forgotten.
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(Also, it will always crack me up that this movie has him refer to himself as Kamen Rider Wizard ? a name he vows to go by from that point forward ? and then literally no one calls him that for the first 51 episodes of his TV show. His TV show, the one where neither Kamen Rider is called a Kamen Rider within the world of the show. And they belabor the naming here. AMAZING.)
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12-20-2021, 05:04 AM | #152 |
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The action in the movie was good, but overall I didn't care for it too much. As the one guy who is dead neutral to Fourze, the ending to both this and the TV show felt really hamfisted and undeserved.
Fourze for me was a show that I got very little out of; Feeling that it more came across like a standard season of Power Rangers than anything else. I liked a grand total of two characters and that was about it. Meanwhile, Gentaro and JK were doing everything in their power to make me not like alot of the show's' aspects, but thankfully Meteor and Spooky Chick were always there to pick up the slack.
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12-20-2021, 11:13 AM | #153 |
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The bit in this movie where Gentarou is in tears because he accidentally caused a computer he was trying to befriend to commit suicide... I can see that not working for some people! It's a very big swing, even for Gentarou. I loved it for its simplicity (Gentarou doesn't want anything bad to happen to his friends, no matter what they are), but it's weird for how little presence XVII has in the actual narrative by this point. Fourze's all big emotions! Like teenagers!
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12-20-2021, 12:41 PM | #154 |
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Let’s face it, one of the issues with featuring a character before their series has begun airing/production/writing is that there’s bound to be a few things that don’t seem off when you get to the series proper (Eiji carrying his own Core Medals, Gaim doing a Rider Kick, Takeru being essentially a floating zombie and that’s just some notable Rider examples)
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12-20-2021, 12:53 PM | #155 |
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Let?s face it, one of the issues with featuring a character before their series has begun airing/production/writing is that there?s bound to be a few things that don?t seem off when you get to the series proper (Eiji carrying his own Core Medals, Gaim doing a Rider Kick, Takeru being essentially a floating zombie and that?s just some notable Rider examples)
Still, it's funny to get a look into the, like, embryonic versions of these characters. Funny to see how it's just that little bit wrong.
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12-20-2021, 01:10 PM | #156 |
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They really advertised finally having all 12 Horoscopes in one movie, together, and fighting the Heroes and it was the perfect excuse for Sakamoto to go full Sakamoto and have the Riders use everything to take them down, cycling through forms/gimmicks/etc. And then Wizard shows up for the finish to take down the "main ones" left since that was reserved for the heroes in the actual series.
Inga Blink really kind of cemented the "Sakamoto Girls" thing for me by that point. Which, okay, maybe not a lot of character depth but she's hot and kicks butt, and that's about it. Skydain and Groundain are the first but not the last attempt at taking older properties and then turning them into villains, but the most I can say about them is that their suits look really good and Ayumi Kinoshita is playing a villain, so that was enough for me. Random thing I remember is Cosmic States (or was it Meteor Fusion States?) riding Fourze's bike. Like, how often do we actually see the Rider, in their Final Form, ride the bike? The scene of everyone coming together to help Gentaro reminded me a lot of when the W supporting cast/past cases cheered on Kamen Rider and that gave W their new power up to finish Eternal. You might not remember some of the characters who they show, but you can still appreciate the sentiment. Meteor Fusion States I will always remember for just being an excuse for Gentaro to cut loose and go Bruce Lee on the villains and just beat the @#$% out of them while the theme song plays in the background, which has got to be one of my favorite final fights in a Rider movie. At that point they really couldn't improve on Fourze's movie exclusive forms, especially considering what came next. Speaking of the theme song, "Voyagers" is a surprisingly atmospheric yet epic ending song for the movie, and one of the rare times the singer for the series' Opening contributes to the Ending song for the movie. I think there were more examples in Phase 2 than there were Phase 1 (save for when they just reused the series' Opening for the Ending or Gackt who did like every Decade Theme Song) but it was still really neat. Quote:
Let?s face it, one of the issues with featuring a character before their series has begun airing/production/writing is that there?s bound to be a few things that don?t seem off when you get to the series proper (Eiji carrying his own Core Medals, Gaim doing a Rider Kick, Takeru being essentially a floating zombie and that?s just some notable Rider examples)
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12-20-2021, 04:09 PM | #157 |
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The bit in this movie where Gentarou is in tears because he accidentally caused a computer he was trying to befriend to commit suicide... I can see that not working for some people! It's a very big swing, even for Gentarou. I loved it for its simplicity (Gentarou doesn't want anything bad to happen to his friends, no matter what they are), but it's weird for how little presence XVII has in the actual narrative by this point. Fourze's all big emotions! Like teenagers!
As for the film, this is probably one of my favorite summer movies in the whole franchise. It's a really good distillation of all of Fourze's characters and it has a lot of fun with the admittedly bonkers premise of "robots trick a bunch of high school students into going into space to help them steal an orbiting super weapon." I'll shamelessly self-plagiarize my comments from when I rewatched the film last year (it feels like it's been longer than that, but that's kind of the last two years in a nutshell, I suppose): Quote:
Kamen Rider Fourze: The Movie: Everyone Translates The Catchphrase Differently!
In which Gentaro does the friendship handshake with a space station. So, complete honesty time here. This movie is one of the main reasons I wanted to rewatch Fourze. I first saw it months after the show ended and it really drove home for me how much I liked all of the characters (which, considering I watched it while Wizard was airing, hit extra hard). I haven't watched it again since then and there are a lot of details from it that I kinda halfway remembered. I knew that a bunch of characters threw Astro Switches for Gentarou, for example, but I couldn't remember if that happened here or on the show proper. Ditto for seeing a lot of the other teachers again (Nao Nagasawa, Alternative Zero, etc.). Other parts, like the fight that uses all 40 switches, I do remember clearly. Seeing the movie again, the first thing that struck me is how this is pretty much the textbook Koichi Sakamoto film. If I ever wanted to teach a class on his style, I could just show off this film: crazy action scenes, lots of wire work, vehicle chases, swooping cameras, Nao Nagasawa and/or Ayumi Kinoshita, and at least one sexy lady doing martial arts (in this case the film's two biggest guest stars: Mikie Hara). That's not a critique, necessarily, especially since he was already Fourze's main action director and the movie gave him a bigger budget to blow up CGI with. At the same time, though, it does feel a little familiar given how much Sakamoto has worked on tokusatsu shows in the last couple decades. As for the story, this is where I find myself a little conflicted. The movie is a lot shorter than I remember it being - only a little over an hour - and the pacing is pretty weird. Parts of it rush by really fast - I was surprised to find that we were already up to the Wizard cameo after just 25 minutes (the early Rider cameos always surprise me, even when I know they're coming - they always feel so random and forced). Other parts of the film just crawl, though. The returning character/Switch montage was really cool but it felt like it dragged on forever (as a side note, I swear there was at least one totally random new character in there that I do not remember from the series). The overall story was relatively straightforward, though, with a pretty decent plot twist going into the third act. The villains were a little flat as characters, but they still bear a specific mention. There's this thing that Fourze did with this and the Wizard Movie War that's both pretty cool and really weird at the same time. This film's villains are reimagined versions of the heroes from an old Ishinomori tokusatsu called Kyodain. Other Kyodain designs are used for the good aligned robot and the little security drones inside the space station (I think the station is also from something, but I'm not 100% sure). Toei would pull a similar trick with Inazuman and Akumaizer 3 in the Movie War. I still think it's a neat use of older concepts from shows that will never get a follow-up, although it's a shame that most were used as villains. We also got the Fusion States suit, which is both incredibly ugly yet not as bad as I remembered. At least it didn't have skis. Your drinking game for this movie is any time Miu says "Oops" or Shun's twinkle sound effect plays. |
12-20-2021, 05:26 PM | #158 |
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Oh, for sure. I'm not mad about a completely different creative team getting minor details about a character wrong, especially when that character's actual creative team is still nailing down those minor details. There's a bit of guess-work that comes with an Early-Bird debut, and I'm okay with that trade-off.
Still, it's funny to get a look into the, like, embryonic versions of these characters. Funny to see how it's just that little bit wrong. Last edited by Sylarking; 12-20-2021 at 08:32 PM.. |
12-20-2021, 08:01 PM | #159 |
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Maybe some sort of new paint job for Fourze's bike, though? Sparkly purple paint? I don't know. Quote:
The scene of everyone coming together to help Gentaro reminded me a lot of when the W supporting cast/past cases cheered on Kamen Rider and that gave W their new power up to finish Eternal. You might not remember some of the characters who they show, but you can still appreciate the sentiment.
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It's a little unusual, yeah. I don't know enough about the other Ishinomori characters to feel aggrieved or offended, but this movie probably didn't play great for old-school Kyodain fans.
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12-20-2021, 08:33 PM | #160 |
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Oops my mistake corrected.
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