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05-01-2022, 09:14 PM | #911 |
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-On my first watch, I felt conflicted about Kagami transforming into Kabuto: its a cute fanservice bit, but I felt like it made light of Kagami's own struggle to come into his own path, as Gatack? But someone had to become Kabuto this episode, I guess. I'm not too pressed about it now, but it still leaves a bitter taste. (At the very least, it's fun to see Kagami's aggressive fighting style in the Kabuto suit, which usually rarely engages in any unnecessary movement.)
I did like the Hopper stuff, though, and apparently this was the episode where we saw Tsukoyomi's childhood. |
05-01-2022, 09:42 PM | #912 |
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As for the context of the story that these episodes in an of themselves(and again, haven't seen Kabuto yet so if I'm way off then whoops!), my read was that Kagami was once obsessed with getting the Kabuto Zector, and it was only through admitting to himself that someone else was better suited for it and not letting it hold him down anymore that he was finally able to grow as a person, and thus the Kabuto Zector allowed itself to be used by him. It's very basic symbolism, and allows Kagami be the one to finish the fight.
Like, they used a couple clips that are from Kabuto, but they're slightly out of context. Kagami did want the Kabuto Zecter... but for, like, an episode. Gatack did fight Kabuto... but it ended up not being a huge part of the series or anything. Kagami's arc in Kabuto was him realizing that he'd always feel inferior as long as he kept measuring himself against Tendou, so he needed to stop doing that. To have him be like I Always Felt Like A Failure Because I Wasn't Kabuto is a) not really his arc in the series past, like, the first dozen episodes; and b) weirdly dismissive of his many successes as his own hero. The one thing Kagami never lacked in Kabuto was willpower and a stubborn/stupid (it depends if you ask Tendou) belief in right and wrong. Anyway, long story short, Zi-O kinda needed to cheat to give Kagami an arc in this story that resolved via obtaining the Kabuto Zecter.
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05-01-2022, 09:55 PM | #913 |
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Just guessing on why, but Kagami's growth is like, the highlight of early Kabuto(maybe even all of it!) in my opinion? Dude had to flail, struggle, and fight for every inch that eventually led to getting that Gatack Zecter. I'd wager that "underdog" story is what caused me and so many people really like the guy. So seeing this slew of recent tributes take such care in their references, for this one to go like "Uhhhhhh. Kagami really wanted that Kabuto Zecter once, right? Prove he was better than Tendou, or something like that?" felt a little...shallow? Like it ended up missing the forest for the trees in trying to justify it? (Kagami didn't become Gatack in an attempt to one-up or emulate Tendou, he's Gatack because he wants to help others! Gatack's debut ep is arguably all about that!) I'd be so bold as to say if they cut the part where Kagami talks about Tendou, the whole thing would feel a touch better in execution.
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05-01-2022, 11:08 PM | #914 |
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Geiz resolves for using Revive stemming from seeing the event of 2009 brings it all back to his guilt and really this episode is Geiz moment of introspection and finally his resolve to do it. Even if he regrets it for the rest of his life it's now or never for him he has to kill Sougo. And Sougo dosen't run away he trust in Geiz judgement it time for this end one way or another.
Also White Woz rejoicing c'mon even if you don't like White Woz you gotta admit this was pretty hype. And god Shippu is so cool that line about surpassing the future with his speed was so badass. And not to count our Goretsu him taking and dishing out Another ZI-O who at this point march ZI-O II( who've been shilling the last three episodes) was the nail in the coffin for the true match.
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05-01-2022, 11:12 PM | #915 |
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Also White Woz rejoicing c'mon even if you don't like White Woz you gotta admit this was pretty hype. And god Shippu is so cool that line about surpassing the future with his speed was so badass. And not to count our Goretsu him taking and dishing out Another ZI-O who at this point march ZI-O II( who've been shilling the last three episodes) was the nail in the coffin for the true match.
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05-02-2022, 02:39 AM | #916 |
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Surprisingly, no-one was willing to give my theory that Tendou himself set up Kagami to become Kabuto as a ploy to give the demon king kid his watch the time of day back when this first aired.
And speaking of watches… Ridewatch Playlist: Ten no Michi Mix “Cast Off for super acceleration. The beetle Rider is… Kabuto” And luckily for me, Kabuto’s actual soundtrack is so small, I can apply one thing for everyone. So let’s start with Next Level “Super speed crossing over time. The rainbow wings are flapping, Kabuto Hyper Form” And next up is Lord of the Speed “Kabuto’s partner, the blue stag beetle Rider is Gatack” And finally, let’s end it with Full Force And for Another Kabuto, I went with Miss You, a song from one of his actor’s albums that basically sums him up here And as for the unreleased: Kamen Rider Kabuto (Masked Form) Kamen Rider Gatack (Masked Form) Kamen Rider TheBee (Rider Form) Kamen Rider TheBee (Masked Form) Kamen Rider Drake (Rider Form) Kamen Rider Drake (Masked Form) Kamen Rider Sasword (Rider Form) Kamen Rider Sasword (Masked Form) Kamen Rider KickHopper Kamen Rider PunchHopper Kamen Rider Dark Kabuto (Rider Form) Kamen Rider Dark Kabuto (Masked Form) Kamen Rider Caucasus Kamen Rider Hercus Kamen Rider Ketaros And for the compare and contrast, Tendou and Yaguruma both started out as perfectionists, with the main difference being that Tendou had everything go right for him, due to his belief that he was walking the path of Heaven, while Yaguruma’s own arrogance cost him everything, eventually resulting in him deciding to search for Hell. And whereas Tendou is dedicated to preserving the world to keep both of his sisters safe, Yaguruma was willing to see it destroyed so he could be with the Worm!Kageyama (which also contrasts Kagami killing the Worm that copied his brother after accepting that he was really gone). Design wise, aside from resembling a worm, there are a lot of visual jokes in Another Kabuto’s design. Not only is his head modelled after a samurai helmet (a Kabuto), but his belt is modelled after Stronger’s. Next time: A new Zi-O power-up that DOESN’T debut alongside a card themed Rider? Unheard of Last edited by Androzani84; 04-26-2024 at 05:19 PM.. |
05-02-2022, 05:49 AM | #917 |
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My brain honestly turned off when Kagami received the Zecter. It's not narratively correct for him to have it, but just for this one time thing, to help the new rider, it kind of felt right. Plus it was fun to see the (disrepaired) Kabuto suit move in a way that's not Tendou.
Although, it's kind of weird to see the Kabuto Zecter turn into a watch and then later come back to Tendou. Does Sougo get it back now? |
05-02-2022, 03:22 PM | #918 |
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I don?t know that I buy Kagami becoming Kabuto. It?s vaguely reminiscent of the Hibiki/Kiriya thing from a few episodes back, but it lacks a lot of the weight of that story. Kiriya?s entire arc was about how basically no one wanted Kiriya to be Hibiki, so his redemption in obtaining the Hibiki Ridewatch has catharsis to it. Kagami and the Kabuto Zecter? like, no? He had his own destiny as Gatack, and he didn?t view Defeating Kabuto as some bucket list item. This two-parter doesn?t even bother to construct a motivation for Kagami to summon the Kabuto Zecter, beyond the twin possibilities of Why Not and It?s Nice To See That Suit Again. It all comes off as obligatory, rather than earned. Quote:
Tsukasa and Tsukuyomi ? the Tsupergroup ? with their trip to the Misery Suburbs of 2058? it?s the audience learning something instead of the characters, which I?m always less into. She learns that she?s from 2058 (the girl they got to play Young Tsukuyomi has the same GIGANTIC eyes, so good work from the casting department), but only the audience gets to learn that she?s maybe probably Swartz?z sister. It?s a neat concept, but one that falls apart if you think about it for more than two consecutive seconds. Like, she?s dressed the exact same way as Swartz?z sister, with the same gigantic eyes. He didn?t think that was worth thinking about prior to her busting out Time Powers? I assume there?s more to come on this, so I?m not too wound up about how ridiculous this Secret Sibling reveal is (hello Kabuto homage), but I don?t love how hard the show is going to have to work to make this twist make sense. Doesn?t seem worth the effort?
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The way Yaguruma?s inability to kill Kageyama exposes Geiz?z inability to deal with Zi-O is a great reminder of how much the show has evolved its cast. This episode has Geiz see himself in Yaguruma?s vow to kill Kageyama if necessary, but then it has Geiz see his real feelings in Yaguruma?s refusal to view Kageyama as a threat, no matter what. I don?t think we?re at some crisis of conscience with Geiz, though. Not any more. I think we?ve got a Geiz who realizes that he?s going to follow Sougo down whatever road he travels, even if it?s not one Geiz would?ve chosen. If there?s a beat the show wants to leave Geiz with this episode, it?s the idea of commitment, and how it can sneak up on you.
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05-02-2022, 05:15 PM | #919 |
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The Kabuto arc is nice, I figure if I'd seen Kabuto, my thought might be different, but for now, I thought they were good.
I don't know Kagami at all, but I did kind of feel like they were just doing the same thing they did for the Hibiki route, so I didn't feel too attached to them making him Kabuto, since from what it sounds like, the Kabuto Zecter just picks whoever it thinks is fun, so hearing things like "Kagami is the real hero of Kabuto" don't mean anything to me, for the reasons I mentioned earlier, and my lack of knowledge on Kabuto as a whole (so I probably insulted every Kabuto fan and should get a Rider Kick to the face). But the Kabuto suits are still some of my favorites, which I talked about in length in the Kabuto arc in Decade. I also enjoyed the one time shenanigans nonsense at the start about Shibuya getting blown up years ago, even though it's just there to put in the Kabuto connection, because they didn't get too crazy with it, I didn't mind it at all. But Zi-O and Woz destroying the Worm Meteor was a great scene, and Fourze wasn't forgotten! Which I love how they still found it in themselves to reuse some of the old forms instead of making them obsolete whenever a new form debuted. It's probably already apparent by now that the Heisei Phase 1 Armor Times are somewhat more streamlined than the Phase 2 armors, so Kabuto's Armor Time using the Zecters for shoulder guards was genius and aesthetically pleasing, though I have to say, it looks less like a Kabuto armor and more like Zi-O just straight up stole his suit than added some bells and whistles to it. |
05-02-2022, 06:14 PM | #920 |
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There's kinda no getting around how unnecessary it is to see Kagami actually become Kabuto. A big theme in that show was how it's more important to overcome yourself than it is to worry about "surpassing" others -- something Kagami learned more than anyone -- and we've even got the other end of that spectrum here in Yaguruma, a man who basically threw his entire life away all because he let beating Kabuto distract him from following his own path. Like, y'all can diss that Decade tribute all you want, but I think it had a much stronger grasp on the elements of Kabuto it chose to focus on. So, yeah, Kagami as Kabuto -- nothing we needed to see. And yet, "unnecessary" is really the most scathing criticism I can give it? It's something where I should be downright offended by it, as a Kabuto fan. I mean, if you've seen the show, you probably understand just how critical a point it is that Kabuto and Gatack are equals, and that the identity Kagami carved out for himself is not just a silver medal. It's like, downright blasphemous of Zi-O to even *risk* suggesting that. ...Just like it was blasphemy to undo the bittersweet tragedy of Blade's ending, or to have the most unpopular character in Hibiki earn a title basically nobody wanted to see him inherit. Zi-O has a way of making me enjoy these things I should hate seeing, and that's just as true as ever here. I can only barely tell you the reasons why, but I think it ultimately comes down to two pretty simple words -- it's fun. I figured this plot point might bug me more now than it did at the time, since, like I said, I've become a lot more passionate about Kabuto, especially when it comes to the messages and themes it explored, but man, I just can't be bothered to care? Kagami using the Kabuto Zecter is cool, probably something plenty of fans wanted to see happen, and something that Zi-O made happen, long after it seemed like there was any chance it would. It might not be a moment that perfectly fits Kagami's character, but it fits the vibe of this stretch of the show flawlessly. Who knows, maybe this is just part of that Geiz character arc I have with Zi-O as a series. Like I've gone so soft I simply can't view it with any suspicion anymore. But as awkward as some of the details become when you stop to think about them, this really is a delightful episode, and I can't help but let it off the hook for that alone. Maybe that stunt team did really good work, okay?! What's so wrong about that being the focus of praise every now and then? This is probably one of those times where my attempt to defend something is only going to make it look worse, but I feel like the episode really sets a tone when it opens up with Sougo destroying a big rock in space, only to be met with the threat of Bigger Rock. I feel like it was a conscious decision to have Geiz and Yaguruma's scenes together be the main source of emotional complexity here, because I just can't imagine that was ever the overall priority for this story. We've got a hint of depth there, some overarching Plot progression with Tsukuyomi, and a dash of simple fanservicey fun with Sougo, even as they play a bit fast and loose with Kagami's character to get us there. (To be clear, I don't think Kagami's feelings are portrayed in a way that undoes any of his development, which is critical.) This is a two-parter with a little bit of everything, that arguably doesn't do particularly great at any one element, but adds up to a whole that's still satisfying. I guess you could say it's fun to watch, all the way through, but not a story you'd be ravin... Wait, I did start this off trying to disagree with Die, right?
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