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11-07-2022, 09:53 PM | #981 |
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Since everyone else had already given their amazing thoughts, I will just ask... Is everyone on the believe that The New Izu that received the memories from the Old Izu/Zea suddenly became the same Izu back then with all of those memories?
From my interpretation, Zea/Old Izu just gave this New Izu all of the memories of her with Aruto on the series. However, cmiiw, I think this New Izu hasn't reached a Singularity or at least not to the same extent that the Old Izu gained during Zero-Two's debut. This is the reason why I don't mind Izu gained back all of her memories. Just because you gain those precious memories back, that doesn't mean you have the capability to feel and emote back all of those memories. There's a line in the movie where Izu said to Aruto that she wanted to learn more about 'heart'; supporting the idea even more. So for those who believed the New Izu gained her memories back invalidate Izu's death in the series might need more space to think about it. Also does anyone have any complaint or dislike with having Izu becoming a Rider and even more so, Zero-Two? I'm on the side that I don't really mind Izu becoming a Rider. If she wasn't a Rider not a problem but if she was a Rider, that was neat. I don't know why but most people I see on my country really dislike the notion of Izu becoming Zero-Two. Many people think that Izu should've just stayed as a heroine and shouldn't transform at all. Some people even said Izu tainted the Zero-Two's suit and making it did some feminine gestures on such a cool suit. Other than that, I'm glad Die and everyone else enjoyed this movie a lot. Unfortunately, I might be on the minority that didn't enjoy this movie as much as everyone here. It's obviously not about Izu because I love how they handled Izu here. However, the movie felt a bit kinda chaotic and when I first saw this movie I was feeling a bit nauseated because the rough pacing of the movie. The second rewatch was better but getting smacked suddenly right in the middle of the movie with little context was not pleasant. Not to mention I kinda wish Bell didn't take over S position in the movie's climax. That was a pretty hard nope for me. The next movie that Die would cover, for me, is much superior and better in terms of storytelling, pacing, and thematic.
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11-07-2022, 10:02 PM | #982 |
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Also does anyone have any complaint or dislike with having Izu becoming a Rider and even more so, Zero-Two? I'm on the side that I don't really mind Izu becoming a Rider. If she wasn't a Rider not a problem but if she was a Rider, that was neat. I don't know why but most people I see on my country really dislike the notion of Izu becoming Zero-Two. Many people think that Izu should've just stayed as a heroine and shouldn't transform at all. Some people even said Izu tainted the Zero-Two's suit and making it did some feminine gestures on such a cool suit.
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11-07-2022, 10:07 PM | #983 |
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To speak up on the Izu memory thing though, while it is a bit iffy, I'm really not that bothered by it. As others have said, I don't really see it so much as the original Izu coming back, more so the first and second iterations sorta combining together in a sense. Also it allowed us to have a really cool double Rider moment in a chapel fighting off the bad guys, in which I will call it their wedding ceremony.... you may now Rider Kick the badguy.
Also I mean, it didn't come out of nowhere if we're being honest and that's enough for me. Like, we all remember what the Zero-Two Key was created out of right? Whose memory bank just fell out of her Humagear headset to reform into the key before the Zero-Two Driver was formed? Even at the end of Zero-One where we see Aruto mulling over Izu's Humagear Key I was like "Uh dude... dude you're staring longingly at the wrong Key my man..." |
11-07-2022, 11:58 PM | #984 |
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Also does anyone have any complaint or dislike with having Izu becoming a Rider and even more so, Zero-Two? I'm on the side that I don't really mind Izu becoming a Rider. If she wasn't a Rider not a problem but if she was a Rider, that was neat. I don't know why but most people I see on my country really dislike the notion of Izu becoming Zero-Two. Many people think that Izu should've just stayed as a heroine and shouldn't transform at all. Some people even said Izu tainted the Zero-Two's suit and making it did some feminine gestures on such a cool suit.
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11-08-2022, 12:00 AM | #985 |
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KAMEN RIDER ZERO-ONE: IS’S LECTURE ROOM EPISODE 3
It’s all Kamen Rider catchphrases here, and there’s maybe no better way to see off Aruto and Izu than this charmingly goofy tour of Kamen Rider history. Having these two actors deconstruct a few famous heroic declarations (Faiz’z “If fighting is a sin, THEN LET ME BE DAMNED” is and always will the most bad-ass thing for any Rider to ever declare) is fun as a window into two young people feeling the weight of a larger franchise, but it’s also a neat little celebration of their place within it. The segment where Aruto’s actor discusses what the “The only one who can stop you… is me!” catchphrase meant to him… gosh, it’s really lovely. It’s nice to see him feeling a sense of artistic accomplishment, as the series is completed. As always, him and Izu have amazing chemistry. The recurring bit of Izu doing this high-pitched voice for Tiny Izu, as a way to give hints, was hysterical. Them both doing these specials as Forty Percent In-Character was absolutely the right move. It’s so fun. I wish there were a hundred of these quizzes, with Izu trying to lead Aruto to correct answers that he is a million miles away from (rucksack?!?!), and Aruto posing slightly philosophical questions that Izu really digs into. It’s delightful. I think these two kids were really something special. Bonus: Decade is Aruto’s favorite Rider!!!
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11-08-2022, 09:54 AM | #986 |
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Since everyone else had already given their amazing thoughts, I will just ask... Is everyone on the believe that The New Izu that received the memories from the Old Izu/Zea suddenly became the same Izu back then with all of those memories?
From my interpretation, Zea/Old Izu just gave this New Izu all of the memories of her with Aruto on the series. However, cmiiw, I think this New Izu hasn't reached a Singularity or at least not to the same extent that the Old Izu gained during Zero-Two's debut. This is the reason why I don't mind Izu gained back all of her memories. Just because you gain those precious memories back, that doesn't mean you have the capability to feel and emote back all of those memories. There's a line in the movie where Izu said to Aruto that she wanted to learn more about 'heart'; supporting the idea even more. So for those who believed the New Izu gained her memories back invalidate Izu's death in the series might need more space to think about it. Quote:
Also does anyone have any complaint or dislike with having Izu becoming a Rider and even more so, Zero-Two? I'm on the side that I don't really mind Izu becoming a Rider. If she wasn't a Rider not a problem but if she was a Rider, that was neat. I don't know why but most people I see on my country really dislike the notion of Izu becoming Zero-Two. Many people think that Izu should've just stayed as a heroine and shouldn't transform at all. Some people even said Izu tainted the Zero-Two's suit and making it did some feminine gestures on such a cool suit.
What about familial though? Aruto literally said that he considers all HumaGears his family.
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11-08-2022, 11:08 AM | #987 |
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If that was the intention, then I would've liked to see that depicted more clearly. Even after the time skip between the finale and this movie, New Izu still behaves very similar to her predecessor and that only escalates once Zea gives her the memories. I never feel like New Izu is her own character, as Aruto wants to teach her to be just like Izu. She never gets any say in her own development, as all the learning she experiences to reach comes from external sources. I'm actually a fan of the memory copying trope with the right execution, but I think this movie kind of skips over the important parts about how a character feels about those memories. If New Izu truly is still herself, then she should probably have some feelings about how being Izu's clone shapes her own identity, not only empathy for Aruto's fear of loss which he doesn't know how to express in a healthy way.
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I have no problem with Izu becoming a Kamen Rider. I think anybody with the right spirit deserves to become one. However, I definitely have a problem with her becoming Zero Two, simply as that means Aruto gets even less time as Zero Two. I kind of understand symbolically why this happened, as Izu played an inexpendable role in its creation and using the suit herself allows it to live up to its advertisement as a unique Rider identity. But maybe that's the flaw with trying to make it both a Final Form for Aruto and a successor to Zero One, especially when the staff had to work to an uncertain deadline. Anytime I see RealEyezing Hopper or IzuZero Two, it just leaves a bad feeling in my stomach that Aruto got ripped off.
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What about familial though? Aruto literally said that he considers all HumaGears his family.
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11-08-2022, 11:30 AM | #988 |
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I personally wanted the opposite -- for Izu to take up Zero-One (a humagear taking up the destiny of humagears through being president of HIDEN) and for Aruto to keep using Zero-Two (his own power that's a representation of the company he made on his own path). Though some of that would require Zero-One to have gone in a direction it didn't, so I'll take this
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11-08-2022, 11:55 AM | #989 |
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I personally wanted the opposite -- for Izu to take up Zero-One (a humagear taking up the destiny of humagears through being president of HIDEN) and for Aruto to keep using Zero-Two (his own power that's a representation of the company he made on his own path). Though some of that would require Zero-One to have gone in a direction it didn't, so I'll take this
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11-08-2022, 05:41 PM | #990 |
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WHOLE SHOW RUINED!!!
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