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01-04-2022, 01:29 AM | #221 |
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For me, it was basically the secondaries and support actors coming back for a couple shots (this movie is maybe the only time I thought Ryu and Akiko were in an adult relationship, so that was fun) and Dark Koyomi. That's it. Which made the Kaito stuff such a pleasant surprise! Because I could not remember what he was up to in this story at all! Even a little bit!
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01-04-2022, 04:08 AM | #222 |
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01-04-2022, 07:05 AM | #223 |
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I always thought of it as a gag where everyone's channeling the Legend Rider's personality and the stoic guy brushes off the genki energy of his powerup.
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01-04-2022, 08:24 AM | #224 |
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The big thing I remember about this movie is that at the time I was watching Gaim (and a little later Wizard), the only subs I could find available for this movie were like, really really bad ones; Gridman-level quality, and it made it both awful and hilarious. Aside from that... yeah, pretty average movie! Not the worst or anything, Wizard portion has some nice ideas and Gaim has some hilarious cameos, but all in all there's not a lot here. It's A Movie!
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01-04-2022, 05:41 PM | #225 |
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The Wizard portion, though, I adore that, the same way I adore Wizard in general – way more than most people probably do. (And definitely more than Die does!) Made for a fantastic addendum to the series, and a rather touching story that plays perfectly off of one of Wizard's central themes, which was the importance of not letting yourself get stuck in the past. Having Haruto ultimately decide to literally leave that ring in his memories at the end was... I mean, can I even say particularly brilliant, when there's so much like that in here? Definitely my favorite Movie War epilogue of any series that got one, but then, this is also my favorite series that got a Movie War epilogue, too, so there's that.
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01-04-2022, 11:11 PM | #226 |
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The big thing I remember about this movie is that at the time I was watching Gaim (and a little later Wizard), the only subs I could find available for this movie were like, really really bad ones; Gridman-level quality, and it made it both awful and hilarious. Aside from that... yeah, pretty average movie! Not the worst or anything, Wizard portion has some nice ideas and Gaim has some hilarious cameos, but all in all there's not a lot here. It's A Movie!
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The Wizard portion, though, I adore that, the same way I adore Wizard in general ? way more than most people probably do. (And definitely more than Die does!) Made for a fantastic addendum to the series, and a rather touching story that plays perfectly off of one of Wizard's central themes, which was the importance of not letting yourself get stuck in the past. Having Haruto ultimately decide to literally leave that ring in his memories at the end was... I mean, can I even say particularly brilliant, when there's so much like that in here? Definitely my favorite Movie War epilogue of any series that got one, but then, this is also my favorite series that got a Movie War epilogue, too, so there's that.
(I really think a lot of it is the actor? She never found much variation in her performance, even in this one as a villain. If this movie had been about Rinko dying in the TV finale, I'd've probably claimed it as my favorite Movie War. Rinko was the best! Koyomi was... not my favorite!) But, yeah, thank you for sharing your thoughts on the movie! This was a good part of my day.
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01-04-2022, 11:25 PM | #227 |
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I can't believe that I forgot that Todoroki's actor was in this, as one of the Mage Trio, and then they didn't use him in the Gaim section as Hibiki's lord. WHAT A WASTE! I take back everything good I said about this movie, and no one can say anything that'll change my mind.
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01-05-2022, 01:36 PM | #228 |
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Imagine, this movie almost made Takatora break character, even the in-universe Riders are influenced by Fourze.
It's been a while, but I did like the Wizard portion, even if like everyone, I wish they made better with Koyomi to make this all really land. Maybe it's because I like Wizard, or maybe it's because I genuinely enjoy the dynamic and themes that it was going for, but I did like this one, definitely more than the Fourze X Wizard Crossover. The Gaim portion is an Isekai. But not the worst Isekai if I'm being honest (anything with cool suits and fruit samurai can't be that bad). I like the idea of the Sengoku Rider factions and returning actors (I only got the W one after I watched W), but it's still your standard-issue Rider Crossover Movie, where the two title Riders have to team up to defeat some kind of bad guy with some grand scheme, and of course, some Brand New Toys (Legend Rider themed)! But in all seriousness, I feel like the Gaim movies are probably Gaim's biggest weak points (of course, I did kind of enjoy his Summer Movie), since even with the standard Movie War format, the Gaim portion doesn't have the kind of weight some of the others have (though I do know the W X OOO one has a bit of a bad reputation). But at least the Legend Rider portion was fun, even if it's just another Deus Ex Mai, as a wise man once said. That and Bujin Gaim. |
01-08-2022, 08:36 PM | #229 |
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HEISEI RIDER VS SHOWA RIDER: KAMEN RIDER TAISEN FEAT. SUPER SENTAI
Oh, Yonemura. It’s the Decade stuff he gets the most correct in this movie, I think. He treats Tsukasa like Doctor Who, and that’s just the best. Tsukasa shows up out of nowhere, mostly understands the objective, and immediately constructs a plan of attack for everyone else to execute. A lot of that plan hinges on Tsukasa convincing people to follow his lead despite *vaguely gestures at everything Tsukasa has ever done in regards to things like Friendship or Communication or Compromise or Transparency*, but his ability to innately understand motivations allows him to rally a group of variably committed participants. Eventually, the day is saved. I just like Tsukasa here. He’s on the playful end of his spectrum, where having to navigate a Showa empire’s revival amidst a Rider War is just another day at the office. He’s nimble in his strategies, charming in his entreaties, and overall just the right level of easy-going about this weird-ass story of dead children and apocalyptic fathers and mournful mothers. The rest of it, though! Oh, Yonemura. I was looking forward to watching this one most of all, for this project. I’d seen it originally way before I watched Faiz, and I wanted to revisit it in the aftermath of my favorite Phase 1 show. But, boy, it mostly didn’t work for me. The idea of Takumi spending a decade riddled with guilt over Kusaka’s death (KUSAKA), unable to find a reason to fight… no? No, I don’t think that’s right for the character? The series had ended with an optimistic future for Takumi, ready to engage with the world for maybe the first time ever, so it’s a colossal bummer for another writer to go No, He’s Constantly Depressed. And, I can see why a writer might go there, because: Takumi! If any Phase 1 guy is going to fall into a ten-year funk, it’s probably the Grumpiest Rider. I just don’t feel like this movie made a great case for it. Like, basing a lot of Takumi’s guilt on the fact that he’s alive while Kusaka isn’t, that is hilarious. The movie constantly reminds us - sometimes in dialogue! - that Kusaka was a giant asshole who is inarguably less-deserving of a long life than Takumi. So having Takumi believing that he doesn’t deserve to live instead of Kusaka, only for Kusaka to show up and outright say I Deserve To Live Instead Of You… it’s incredibly funny, but I don’t know that it does a lot to make Takumi’s plight feel something other than pathetic. And it… that’s always the sort of tricky line, when it comes to telling stories with Inoue characters, let alone trying to continue them. Takumi can totally beat himself up over something that a) wasn’t his fault, b) happened to the most deserving dude in the Faiz cast, and c) isn’t really something he can ever fix, but it needs to feel more balanced than this. If you told this story a year or so after Faiz, in the never-produced Faiz/Blade Movie War, I’d be okay with it. (I wouldn’t love it, because of the show’s A+ ending, but I’d be okay with exploring the concept.) But to do it a decade later, with the idea that Takumi never got over Kusaka’s death (KUSAKA), I just can’t get on board with that. (It also doesn’t help that the Faiz suit has shown up in probably a half-dozen All-Rider things, including things with both Gaim and Decade, so I guess his reluctance is a lot less firm than he lets on. Maybe he was just really committed to the laundry when Tsukasa came up to him, like he said!) It’s a movie full of stuff like that, where a germ of a reasonable idea (Takumi feels bad about himself!) gets telescoped out into something laughable and insane. Like the Showa Riders! Setting aside that this is all yet another We Secretly Fought To Trick The Villains bullshit plot, the Showa Riders almost all come off as colossal pricks in this movie. (X largely escapes the massively unsympathetic portrayal the other old guys get saddled with, but he still ends up being a violent jerk to Takumi for half the film.) The tension it seems like the movie is going for - Showa guys bravely confront their pain while Heisei guys let it consume them - instead comes off as glowering old guys threatened by modern versions of masculinity. Like, Takeshi Hongo immediately says that Kouta is too weak to be a real Rider! IMMEDIATELY! It’s how he’s introduced to a new generation of Kamen Rider fans! As a dude who is telling the star of the movie that he’s too soft! And, y’know, I’d like to write that type of negative interaction off as a ruse, the Showa plan to draw out Badan… but then at the very end of the movie, all of the Showa guys go No, We Actually Do Think All Of You Heisei Guys Are Weak. I don’t understand why you’d make that your story? Why you’d not only spend an entire film with Showa Riders trying to murder Heisei Riders, but then after you’ve given a little bit of cover to the possibility that the Showa Riders actually respect the Heisei Riders… to then double-down on the Showa Riders looking down their masks at the Heisei Riders? Why? Why?! And, sure, Gaim saves a flower, because he’d rather die than let the beauty of nature be destroyed (I guess him riding a motorcycle through Helheim Forest didn’t harm the botany?), and now the Showa Riders can see that the Heisei Riders are real heroes, but it’s as borderline inexplicable as everything else in the film. (I have a headache, so I really don’t want to spend another couple pages complaining about this movie, but I zero percent understand how Fifteen works. How did he get to the land of the dead? Was he dead already? Then why didn’t he disappear at the end when Shu did? Did he just abandon his family at some point? How did he get a Sengoku Driver? Where did the other Rider Lockseeds come from? How did he find the Badan Empire?) There’s some stuff in here that I actually liked. The themes of how to move on from your grief were smart, in that it’s not a choice between Wallowing or Ignoring; there’s nuance to it, there’s the ability to harness your grief for a better future, to honor someone’s loss by living the life they couldn’t. But the way it’s articulated through Fifteen and Takumi just doesn’t work for me. They’re both stretched so far out of a recognizably human shape that they lose all emotional power. Fifteen’s a deranged madman with limitless power who wants his son to be alive so that he won’t be dead, a scenario that’s so devoid of human connection that I actually had to keep reminding myself that Fifteen had a son. Takumi’s bound up in paralyzing survivor’s guilt for someone who was The Worst, the kind of guy who comes back from the dead to heckle Takumi’s pity. The hooks a story like this needs to draw in a viewer, it’s too absurd to have them. No one here makes a lot of sense. But the fights are really good!
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01-08-2022, 08:50 PM | #230 |
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I only liked two things in this movie.
Tsukasa, obviously. He's done well here. Second, Shotaro. I liked him going Joker first and facing off against BLACK/RX, I think that was a cool fight. It reminded me of what could've been had Double's final episode not happen. Just Shotaro being alone as Kamen Rider Joker. |
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