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09-12-2021, 12:04 PM | #231 |
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Also on something I only thought of now to touch on. But I thought it was rather clever for them to not bring in Kotaro or Ryotaro's kid actor until the very end. Even if it's the same one who played kid Ryotaro in the first Den-O movie, if he had shown up and been a major part of these episodes that would have made what they were attempting to do a bit more confusing. Which was basically making sure you know that this is the real Den-O, this isn't an AR World, this is the real deal, for sure. |
09-12-2021, 12:11 PM | #232 |
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Also on something I only thought of now to touch on. But I thought it was rather clever for them to not bring in Kotaro or Ryotaro's kid actor until the very end. Even if it's the same one who played kid Ryotaro in the first Den-O movie, if he had shown up and been a major part of these episodes that would have made what they were attempting to do a bit more confusing.
Which was basically making sure you know that this is the real Den-O, this isn't an AR World, this is the real deal, for sure. Like, the last Den-O movie was this big baton pass between Ryotaro and Kotaro, for better or worse. What these episodes are doing is sort of recalibrating that transition, making it more that Kotaro is a new piece of the puzzle, rather than the star of show, and literally saying that Momo is the star of the show. Having a human Rider in these episodes would dilute what they're trying to do with Momo, how his story is that he doesn't really need a human to give his life meaning.
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09-12-2021, 12:47 PM | #233 |
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KAMEN RIDER DIE: And I think it's successful at that goal, maybe more in the second half than the first half. There's all the normal Momotaros bluster and idiocy (this story is twice as long as it needed to be, thanks to Momo), but there's a sense of him needing to step out of Ryotaro's shadow and become, like, a real boy. He's always been the most fleshed-out and nuanced Imagin on the show, but we're starting to get him in a full-on Legend Rider mode. The arc of it, that evolution, I think it worked well here.
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KAMEN RIDER DIE: And it's, again, cute. (Everyone Ura possesses looks stupid hot.) But it's indicative of this set of episodes being more about showing off how cool Den-O stuff is (Natsumi manages to show off Ax, Rod, and Gun Forms in about two minutes), rather than telling a solid story. There's some interesting emotional stuff in the second half, and a few killer gags, but the plot of this story is, like, Episode 1 Den-O stuff. An Imagin is going back in time to destroy stuff, and the heroes need to stop him. It's boilerplate, and that made me pretty impatient for the first part of this story. I love the characters, but there's almost nothing interesting for them to do here.
ENCHILADA645: Yeah I can see how you'd feel like that given Den-O wasn't that long ago for you. Even less time given how you've been tackling it. For me it sorta felt like a nice nostalgic wave since I haven't revisited older Den-O Content until this point. Admittedly I was mostly trying to figure out if the ending of the first part feeling weird and confusing to me was just a "Me as a first time viewer thing" or not. And I'll still say I never really got what they were going for with the end of the first part.(edited) Quote:
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KAMEN RIDER DIE: It's a fun parallel, Tsukasa and Momo. Tsukasa's a guy desperate to find the world where he makes sense, but is slowly learning to appreciate the life he's built for himself. Momo's a character defined by his relationships to others, who literally can't exist without someone defining him. Having Tsukasa be the one to tell Momo that it's better to find some comfort in your current circumstances than to be frustrated at what you don't have... like, I did not see that moral coming!
And, just, I love morals about self-actualization, and about brushing aside outside views in favor of being true to yourself. Very happy when that's the point of a story.! Still, I think being true to yourself isn't necessarily something moral. As 'be yourself' and 'brushing aside outside views' can be abused by rotten people who'd reject any suggestion to better themselves, embracing their nature and insists others to mind their own business, which is being true to yourself in horrific way.
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09-12-2021, 12:49 PM | #234 |
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Of all the arcs from the first part of Decade, this is the one that always stuck out the least to me. That's mainly because it's just more Den-O and it doesn't take the opportunity to do anything wildly divergent from the original series. That makes it both the most familiar tribute, but also the least dynamic for me. The only thing that really stuck with me is that not everyone can do the Imagin acting as well as Takeru Satoh or Yuichi Nakamura.
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09-12-2021, 02:01 PM | #235 |
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I wonder if Tsukasa was a part that dragged the 2 parter as well as Momo's main complaint is about him losing his physical body, and the solution is only to become Decade and perform a Final Form Ride on him, but it's probably neglected due to Tsukasa's airheadness or such.
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09-12-2021, 02:02 PM | #236 |
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Of all the arcs from the first part of Decade, this is the one that always stuck out the least to me. That's mainly because it's just more Den-O and it doesn't take the opportunity to do anything wildly divergent from the original series. That makes it both the most familiar tribute, but also the least dynamic for me. The only thing that really stuck with me is that not everyone can do the Imagin acting as well as Takeru Satoh or Yuichi Nakamura.
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09-12-2021, 04:15 PM | #237 |
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Man, that was faster than usual! Okay, I have a few more points about Agito I want to discuss first and then I'll move on to Den-O.
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I think the thing that maybe didn't work for me in Decade's Shouichi is that, for almost the entire story, he's just Ryou? I know that my initial formulation for Shouichi was that he was mostly Hikawa, because of the Yashirozawa of it all, but he's missing so much of Hikawa's personality.
Like, the easy description is "G3-X who became Gills", but that misses how much Ryou and Hikwawa would deal with adversity differently. Ryou would grit his teeth and brood as the universe shit on him, then lash out at anyone who would pity him. Hikawa would assume that he brought it on himself... somehow, and then cheerfully step to the side so that his cosmic annihilation didn't upset or distract any of his friends/enemies. This Shouichi misses out on the Imposter Syndrome that defines Hikawa, the unshakeable belief that he isn't good enough to be worth cheering on. I wonder if this Shouichi would've felt less like a cipher to me if he'd had that weird I Appreciate You Giving Up On Me energy that Hikawa had, rather than Ryou's more stock Please Watch My Misery antihero thing. I don't know. Quote:
No offense, but personally this story also had some unnecessary difficulty for me, with, yeah, many complaints about Onodera not using Kuuga's power. I'd probably tolerate it better when there are reasons of Onodera not being able to henshin into Kuuga, but here, it's just unnecessary difficulty for the story to have him undergo probably unnecessary set up for G3-X to fight off monsters like Grongi or Unknowns. With no reason, I think Onodera should've been able to easily prove himself by turning into Kuuga, either for him going back into impressing Yashiro (probably also getting him accepted into work at the G3 team), or him fightiing for others here.
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And with that, we leave the World of Den-O for... the World of Den-O Movie! Enchilada645 and I will be back in just a couple days to see how Team Decade deals with giant warships, teenage Ryotaros, and an unpredictable amount of Movie Forms in (deep breath) "Cho Kamen Rider Den-O & Decade Neo Generations: The Onigashima Warship". We might not be going anywhere, but the Journey through Decade continues! Quote:
Now for my thoughts on the World of Den-O, which as others have said isn't very different from regular Den-O. I was expecting Momotaros to acknowledge Decade Kamen Riding in to Kiva though, since he should remember him from Climax Deka. Or was that a side effect of his memory loss? Den-O is 10/19 in my Heisei Rider Ranking. Terrible plot (Time Nonsense, future Sakurai, etc), saved by amazing characters and Ryutaros' subplot with Airi. Den-O is kind of like Decade in that way, these characters can Ore Sanjou in to any story since they don't really have one of their own and as it turns out, that's not entirely a bad thing. Momotaros is the same Momotaros. Why fix what ain't broken? Or rather, he is broken and that's what Tsukasa's job is in this world, to help Momotaros remember who he is. Imagins rely so much on their contracts to give them their appearance, so it's a nice moral to have Tsukasa encourage Momotaros to just imagine himself back to normal and it's fitting for his Final Form Ride to change from Denliner to literally himself. Memories are time after all, so as long as Momotaros remembers he has an identity, he can't truly lose himself.
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09-12-2021, 04:29 PM | #238 |
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As for my take of Diend in that, you see, I'm a very petty man. So I in turn love it when I see people do very petty things. In this case Daiki acting like a spurned lover and deciding to just have everything go to hell because he couldn't handle a ruse cruise and making everything harder for the heroes as a result. |
09-12-2021, 04:37 PM | #239 |
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I have a lot of free time admittedly so you know. It helps pass the boredom, among other things. Ha ha.
As for my take of Diend in that, you see, I'm a very petty man. So I in turn love it when I see people do very petty things. In this case Daiki acting like a spurned lover and deciding to just have everything go to hell because he couldn't handle a ruse cruise and making everything harder for the heroes as a result.
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09-12-2021, 05:00 PM | #240 |
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Alright, looks like it's two of my favorite Decade arcs, which is a win for me!
Agito: I knew that Agito was like a "spiritual successor" to Kuuga, so it was cool to see Decade present it as an alternate sequel to Kuuga. AR Kuuga got to play a great role here, that really gave him some spotlight over just being along for the ride, and being the "good cop" to Tsukasa's "jerk cop." Agito was definitely played really well here, especially how AR Agito is all three Riders introduced in his show. I may not know much about Kuuga and Agito's shows, but here, it culminates rather well, and it was one of the more interesting arcs in the season. Den-O: Needless to say, this is why I want to watch Den-O. It's not an AR world, as people have mentioned, but straight up Den-O, and that's certainly enough to interest me in the show. I loved the Imagins shenanigans, controlling both Tsukasa and Natsume, and the aesthetic of Den-O just works for me. Time Travelling Train, colorful cast, amazing opening, and cool suits to boot. The arc is definitely more of a comedic one, also setting up the new Den-O movie (Which I liked), but it was definitely a ton of fun. This was probably my favorite Final Form Ride, since it's just straight up Momotaros, and the presentation was hilarious (though the finisher with Kuuga is still just "what?"). And that scene with Kuuga attacking Momotaros killed me, just a great introduction to Den-O, and Tsukasa actually somehow made this even more fun. |
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