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05-02-2014, 01:24 AM | #1 |
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I know we have a comics thread, but I thought maybe spreading out discussions of the movies is worth its own thread. If not, feel free to merge.
So AS2 was released in the US and as it did, it critically plummeted. I know on the internet it's cool to not listen to critics, but it's something I pay attention to as a mainstream critical reaction is a good reflection of the social conciousness of the time it was written. I bring this up, as currently, since the release in the US Amazing Spider-Man 2 has dropped down to an aggregated score of 5.3, marking it the most critically meh'd Spider-Man film across the five films from the last decade or so. Yes, lower than Spider-Man 3. Primary complaints from critics complain that the film is overstuffed, overlong, poorly paced and would have done with cutting out Electro entirely, and focused more on its own story than the sequel. Personal opinions aside, I still find this amusing as right now Winter Soldier 2 is currently tracking an aggregated score of seven, so although not a critical darling it's currently two points ahead of AS2 and yet primary complaints with Winter Soldier is that the film is overstuffed, overlong, poorly paced and would have done with cutting out Elec- The Winter Soldier entirely, and focused more on its own story than the sequel. So...eh? I bring this up, because I found similar frustrations with the Avengers in 2012. Basically a Transformers film in Avengers clothing, yet both fans and critics threw unfounded and unnecessary praise at all angles while simultaneously hurling bile at the Transformers franchise like it killed your family. So I'm just interested as to what is going on with our culture right now, that a film made by a Marvel Studio is able to soak up criticisms and always come out on top, while any licence held by a rival studio is chewed up and spat out the moment a critic gets their hands on it. Because speaking personally, I'd much rather watch the X-Men Trilogy or the Amazing Spider-Man films, than sit through Marvel's Act One again.
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05-02-2014, 01:38 AM | #2 |
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I didn't find Avengers overstuffed...I mean, sure the Chitauri could've done more, but they were just cannon fodder for the larger villain of Loki, I mean, yeah Hawkeye didn't do much. I would consider that a flaw, and I had no problems with the pacing, and it had a good sense of humor in my opinion. Unlike Transformers where it's just a bunch of sex jokes and bathroom humor.
I think Avengers is a fantastic film, but not without its flaws.
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05-02-2014, 01:45 AM | #3 |
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I never said the Avengers was overstuffed. You misread the post, I was comparing the critical response to Winter Soldier and AS2
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05-02-2014, 01:57 AM | #4 |
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Yeah, I've never seen Winter Soldier or AS2, so I can't speak for those. Iron Man 2 was alright, though.
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05-02-2014, 02:01 AM | #5 |
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Lol that is why you should read a post from start to finish.
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05-02-2014, 02:18 AM | #6 |
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I did. I just misread it, accidentally.
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05-02-2014, 05:15 AM | #7 |
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See I personally agree with Locke about the Avengers. It's an okay film but it doesn't deserve the praise it gets, in my opinion.
On the other hand, I do think that ASM2 was also a bit naff. Not because of too many villains, just personally felt that the writing was a bit poor and where the first film for me nailed the true feeling of a Spider-Man story, this one was a mess tonally. I can see where your coming from, especially with the comparisons to key complaints with winter solider, but for me winter solider was just a better, tighter film. That said, from conversations with people at work, ASM seems to be hitting all the right notes with the mass public, much in the same way the Transformers films have been shot down by critics to go on to make billions. Then again these are critics, and Orci and Kurtzman seem to now how to make a mass audience leave their brains and just go ooooh purdy, whilst seamlessly disappointing every critic in the room. |
05-02-2014, 08:06 AM | #8 |
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It used to be that Marvel was better at Live-Action films, DC was better at animation, and everyone knew their place. But then the Dark Knight trilogy (Despite them saying his name wrong. It's not Ra's! it's freaking REASH! .... ahem) came along. I enjoyed Superman Returns more than Avengers. Not that Avengers is a bad movie, by any means. And I have hopes for Ant Man. And Days of Future Past.
But the one thing that'll always remain true is DC is better at animation. Ignoring the trainwreck that is TTG, because I hate that show and refuse to watch it on the premise I want Season 3 of Young Justice and Season 2 of Green Lantern, DC animation is solid. While Marvel gives us whatever the hell Agents of SMASH is supposed to be. |
05-02-2014, 08:23 AM | #9 |
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This seems appropriate for the thread:
Poor spiderman. |
05-02-2014, 01:40 PM | #10 |
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At the end of the day, it's lucky that we - The Audience - are those that pay the checks, because if the movie industry shaped itself to satisfy the mainstream critics it would collapse.
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