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05-17-2021, 03:18 PM | #111 |
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I feel like both the arguments that happened in this thread would go easier if people remembered that it's easy to not realize how valuable something is for other people when you've always had a (relative) abundance of it yourself.
Like, my knowledge of how to access toku is currently very limited. For some of y'all, two of the sites you use going down would be no problem, you'd just switch to others, but for me that would be both my sources gone and I'd be up Mill Creek without a paddle (hai, Aruto ja naito!) And for those of you who have always seen superheroes of the same gender and sexuality as you everywhere you look, it entirely makes sense that you don't understand why representation matters so much to those of us who have precious little of it. But that's no call to dismiss it as forced or pointless just because you've never felt the lack of it. Anyway, to go back to my first example and try to stay on topic for this thread, would any of you more experienced toku fans be so kind as to explain how this "find the raw and download the subtitles as a separate file" business works, in language a total noob can understand? So far I haven't downloaded episodes at all, I've relied on streaming sites.
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05-17-2021, 03:48 PM | #112 |
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I've only done it once, and it's been awhile since, so I might be explaining it badly, but from what I remember, you'd download the raw of a site like Nyaa, then download the subtitle file off the subbers site, then rename the raw file to have the same name as the subtitles, put them in the same folder, then when you watch the video, it'll use the subtitles
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05-17-2021, 04:45 PM | #113 |
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It's actually a lot easier than that, most modern video players like VLC or even Windows Movies & TV (the default video viewer for Windows 10) let you add subtitles to any video.
So you can find the raw video (essentially a video recording ripped directly from TV or a disc which will have no subtitles) and then find a subtitle file (typically a .srt file but it can also be any number of plain text files.) and apply it to the video. Both the RAW and the SRT can be found at various, sometimes disconnected places. The RAW is found most commonly on torrent tracking sites (just due to their size and legality) and subs you can often find on personal websites or blogs (because they are small to host and have no legal recourse for existing). Depending on the video and sub file, they sometime don't line up, but you can add or remove delays and make edits to the text file yourself using a plain text editor. So yeah, places that provide the video and subs all in one download certainly make things easier, but the resources are out there to help you find your way.
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05-17-2021, 04:56 PM | #114 |
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If you want to get into it even more, while streaming sites are the ultimate in convenience, they are frowned upon in the community because they essential take the work done by encoders and subbers and place it on their site to generate ad revenue and install malicious software on unsuspecting users.
Honestly, a lot of content creators, including some big corporations that you wouldn't suspect, are actually okay with their content being distributed for free, the issue comes from when A) Parties attempt to make money off of content that isn't theirs or has been granted exclusively to someone else. Example: streaming sites that host content that is licensed by a pay-for-service (not necessarily the original rights holder) B) The identity and ownership of the property becomes misleading and reflects poorly on the original creator. Example: Cheap knock-offs of Figuarts that are sold as genuine and give people a bad impression of the Figuarts line causing lost sales. Intellectual Property rights are as complex as they come, but they boil down to protecting the creators. They don't always line up with the way fans consume content, but at the end of the day, they are truly necessary, especially in today's society in which non-tangible goods are incorrectly considered low-value/free and decentralized of ownership. If you follow tech news, or maybe just news in general, the rise of NFTs is just one of many misguided attempts to rectify this ideology of open ownership brought forth by the internet at large.
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05-17-2021, 05:03 PM | #115 |
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That is really helpful to know, thank you both!
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05-17-2021, 06:22 PM | #116 |
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you have a really horrible way with words, and that's coming from the guy who just got a warning for saying some dumb shit yesterday. the fact you have no idea how and why his point is wrong is genuinely killing me...please be less oblivious.
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05-17-2021, 07:22 PM | #117 |
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Also, I forget who brought up Resident Evil as an example of diversifying being a bad thing, but that example couldn't be more wrong. RE7, RE2 Remake, and RE8 are three of the best reviewed installments of the entire franchise and the sales reflect it. Also seems weird to cite an example of a franchise that ALWAYS was aimed at Western audiences. Most importantly though, where are the mods? Last edited by DaikaijuSokogeki01; 05-17-2021 at 07:52 PM.. |
05-17-2021, 07:44 PM | #118 |
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you don't even need to merge raws with subs anymore. no one's making you do anything extra. it genuinely has never been easier and long time anime fans end up doing the same thing when they want to watch stuff in its original quality.
the same places you can find the raws are always the same places where you can find episodes that have already been merged with the subs. how else do you suppose there are IzuSubs torrents available to download, when the subber themselves only upload subtitle scripts? Quote:
If you want to get into it even more, while streaming sites are the ultimate in convenience, they are frowned upon in the community because they essential take the work done by encoders and subbers and place it on their site to generate ad revenue and install malicious software on unsuspecting users.
like I said earlier, neither streaming sites nor torrents are affected by this ordeal. nothing about this inhibits your ability to consume toku. if you want to watch toku in shitty quality then your favorite streaming site will have no problem finding the torrent, and then reuploading it in shitty quality just for you. Last edited by Chasing; 05-17-2021 at 07:48 PM.. |
05-17-2021, 08:54 PM | #119 |
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05-17-2021, 09:09 PM | #120 |
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Anyway, to go back to my first example and try to stay on topic for this thread, would any of you more experienced toku fans be so kind as to explain how this "find the raw and download the subtitles as a separate file" business works, in language a total noob can understand? So far I haven't downloaded episodes at all, I've relied on streaming sites.
I've heard it theorized that the raws might actually be more illegal than the subbed video files. I doubt this would stand up in court, but the argument is that the subbed files could be covered under fair use exceptions, as they're not exactly the same as the copyrighted material by virtue of having the subs built-in, and the added content is an unique "interpretation," similar to a parody. Regardless, the raws are the files that are going to be harder to find for now. Do also note that there has been no legal action taken against any of the subbers, and Over-Time specifically has gone underground to avoid getting their own Cease & Desist letter. If anything changes, and you end up needing to download the raws and video files separately, plenty of resources educating you on how to do this will crop up. Suffice to say, it's pretty easy, and everyone can take a breath. TLDR: keep calm and search for your fansubs on NYAA (and, occasionally, Anidex) from now on. Quote:
Look, I know the current situation has people in their feelings. But even where certain parties on this thread are correct (this isn't remotely the end of toku fansubbing, you're just gonna have to look in different places for the same content), their message is being delivered in a way that is further agitating the people who are already freaking out. Last edited by Kamen Rider Lucha; 05-17-2021 at 09:15 PM.. |
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