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07-10-2023, 10:51 AM | #601 |
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I think what sets Kamen Rider apart from other super heroes is the acknowledgement that the ideology of "Heroism" and "Justice" can be corrupted and misappropriated for evil. In the height of WWII, every participating country had their heroes, but it wasn't until it ended that those same heroes were now war criminals on the basis of having lost the war. You win the war, you become the heroes through control of the narrative.
That is why we in the USSR acted honestly and declared war criminals not only enemy heroes, but also our own. |
07-10-2023, 10:57 AM | #602 |
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07-10-2023, 12:38 PM | #603 |
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So that later these parents become riders in order to get a daughter corresponding to them. Yet we have seen how much Neon wants love, but have not yet seen how much she loves. Plus, does she really need parental love? That is, the parents are to blame that Neon lacks love, but still she is already an adult woman. A bit too late to catch up.
Rather, the DGP has problems with exclusivity, as they realize that altruists won't provide the same level of sadistic entertainment for their competitive deadly game.
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I don't remember, but I believe. Hmm, it's strange that the show just threw it in, left it undeveloped. Especially, considering the crossover with Revice, the most family rider. Apparently, a fragment of the plot line cut from the script. Or we are waiting for Ace's family showdown on the eve of the final.
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07-10-2023, 06:36 PM | #605 |
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There was this little bit at the end of Wizard.
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07-11-2023, 12:46 PM | #606 |
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For example, Morio instead of avoiding prison will want to get out of it as soon as possible. |
07-11-2023, 01:27 PM | #607 |
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Not sure how controversial this will be, but I wouldn’t mind getting less V-Cinemas since I feel like a lot of them are wholly unnecessary (Gaim/Build) and kinda limit what they can do in the main show. What I mean by that second point is that having V-Cinemas be guarantee every year means that most of the immediate side Riders have to be fine (alive/still have their powers) in order for them to have their special spin-off at the end of the show (especially since most V-cinemas they day take place post series).
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07-11-2023, 02:23 PM | #608 |
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Not sure how controversial this will be, but I wouldn?t mind getting less V-Cinemas since I feel like a lot of them are wholly unnecessary (Gaim/Build) and kinda limit what they can do in the main show. What I mean by that second point is that having V-Cinemas be guarantee every year means that most of the immediate side Riders have to be fine (alive/still have their powers) in order for them to have their special spin-off at the end of the show (especially since most V-cinemas they day take place post series).
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07-11-2023, 04:28 PM | #609 |
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Exactly. He's always had these characteristics from the beginning, but people seem to just brush them aside in order to make him this super clean good guy, when Keiwa has always been an example of how good people aren't always perfect, and can and do have more selfish sides to them as well. And to call out his "change" as being forced is sort of missing the point because yes, it is being forced. By Kekera. Who has been clearly manipulating Keiwa into becoming the sort of Kamen Rider that he likes.
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In Lamentation, it's... basically something every round. First round, he gets put out of commission, leaving Ace to save the day and get Boost MKII. Second round... nothing that I can remember, actually. Third round, Keiwa does well only to get sneak attacked by the Dunkleosteus Jyamato and loses his fight. Final round, we all know what happens there. This is basically the arc where Keiwa suffers the most.
In Yearning, it's his quite literal powerlessness to beat an invincible Jyamashin!Michinaga who keeps ragging on him for his beliefs, as well as seeing him beat his sister who got dragged into the DGP/DR again and forcibly retired against her will (which is a fair thing to worry about, considering how we've seen people's personalities change after their desires get removed, so who knows what could've happened to her). And then the Grand End takes his memories and Desire Driver, leaving him powerless again. Quote:
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You'd have a point if there hadn't been 30 odd episodes of character development since then of Ace learning he can have faith in Keiwa and Neon (and even, to a lesser extent, Michinaga) and of him turning from a relentless hunt for his mother into someone who is trying to make the world a better place. Michinaga and Keiwa literally signed up to be Riders again not for a prize, but to protect people frm the remaining Jyamato.
The Keiwa and Michinaga part though, I wouldn't want for Michinaga to be lumped as genuinely wanting to help too (even though he has good intentions), maybe at least at that time. I think both at that time showcases the difference between protect vs destroy. Keiwa knows that the threat is still around and he should prevent the present people getting hurt or other kind of damages. While Michinaga has been established as someone who hates anything related to DGP, including the Riders, thus his reason to join is to clean up the DGP's remains in Beroba and the Jamatos, currently Michinaga's main target is the deserving one. Quote:
I disagree that just because no-one on the show is some idealised hero, it somehoe lacks some intangible ill-defined "light" that means it's evil? The characters are flawed, yes, but they're not cackling villains. They're realistic, they fight for their own goals, and most of their issues come from the fact that they're often risking their lives for a future game show Squid Game style, and that's gonna fuck you up. Keiwa becoming a grief-stricken murderer? Damn, wonder why the kid who's done nothing but lose people fromhis very first DGP outing and constantly feels outclassed by everyone else might have a depressive episode from that.
And as you bring up Squid Game there, I also gotta say that, someone like Ali is also morally white (approved as pure good too) - it is possible for a morally white person to unwillingly go against his beliefs and doing something wrong due to certain circumstances, like having limits when it comes to certain enemy like Ali punishing his boss. But yeah, one single/few wrongdoings won't make those kind of people morally grey, and oftentimes, a morally white character will be filled with remorse when they failed to adhere to their moral principles (this is also still used as a praise for their moral standings). Guess want to state that it's not only lighthearted shows that can have straight heroes, of which perhaps their can be overlooked in those shows only because no hard consequences. Quote:
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They all show traits proving that while flawed, they're not evil or inherently bad. They're driven by their own personal lives and molded by their supporters in most cases. Beroba drives Michinaga to be more merciless because she loves suffering. Kekera drives Keiwa to be more vengeful because his ideal Kamen Rider isn't a white knight kind of person. Ziin drives Ace to be the protagonist who always wins because he doesn't want to see his fave lose. And Kyuun does what he can to drive Neon to be true to herself because he'd rather have her live happily than as someone she's not.
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What's so heroic about giving up something you care about for the sake of others? If Ace wants to create a world where everybody can be happy, then of course "everybody" would include Ace himself. Should Neon give up her desire for true love, or Win give up his desire to become a famous rockstar? We can see the result of people giving up their desires in their post-Retired states and there's nothing right about that. The power to change the world is fueled by Kirakira, the determination of each person to pursue their desires. Geats IX is only strong due to Ace's selfishness and that's what makes him a hero.
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07-11-2023, 07:01 PM | #610 |
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Plus, what kind of nonsense about elimination and purge? When I wrote about not wanting to be next to me, I meant moving away from them myself, because it’s easier that way. At this point, I should ask what made you think otherwise. And about the claim, which is not a claim, but rather a remark that people vaguely imagine communicating with someone similar to Ace in real life. Because in fact, they would hate him after the slightest deceit. Again, remember all those who have deceived you with serious consequences. How do you feel about them? Did none of them have a good reason? Since we mentioned shit, it's like in the case of Amber Heard and Guardians of the Galaxy 2. In both cases, they shit in bed, but in the first, the audience is outraged, and in the second, they laugh and applaud. Because it's not real, which means it can't happen to them. As well as lovers of villains never put themselves in the place of their possible victims. And about human error. A error is something that is done by accident or is recognized as wrong. One of the strongest arguments in favor of the reformed Gai Amatsu was that he apologized. Ace never apologized for anything, which means he thinks his actions are right. Moreover, these actions are considered right in the universe, because, although they do not directly admit it, other riders look up to Geats as the most experienced and successful player. So, until the show says otherwise (directly or indirectly), it still broadcasts the message: "Deception is the way to success." And in most cases, this idea is as far from the truth as possible, which I wrote above. Last edited by Mesnick; 07-11-2023 at 07:31 PM.. |
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