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01-10-2022, 11:50 PM | #261 |
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I really don't like the Gaim portion of thos movie. I admittedly went into it biased because I dont' like how Mitsuzane's arc ended in the show, but this movie went in an even further direction I didn't like by having him prove himself by rescuing Mai... even though his obsession with 'protecting' her was one of the reasons he was evil to begin with. It kiiiinda feels like here he is finally being rewarded for his 'commitment'. You are totally right about Mai's relationship with all the guys being horrible, but at least in the show, her thing with Mitsuzane was supposed to look bad. Not anymore, I guess!
And they put Takatora into the inferior Genesis Driver suit for the back half! (Really funny that this is Ryoma's second time being a robot though) I really like the Drive part though! I actually really like all the Drive cinema stuff, and I think a big part of it is how much I like all the action across Drive material in general. There's such a consistent physicallity to it all that I enjoy that for me, strikes a perfect balance between the more style-focused flash of Wizard or the methodical slugging in Gaim. I could watch Drive or Chaser or anyone else from that series duke it out all day any day. The story's nice too! They fit in a surprising amount with Lupin's introduction, Krim's 'death' and Shinnosuke's comeback, in just a portion of a movie, but none of it feels too cramped? I honestly think this one third of Movie War is on par and maybe in some ways better than Surprise Drive (and I like that movie a bunch!) The team part at the ene is also a lot of fun. The two heroes are mostly just goofing around and I'm all for it. These team ups rather expectedly treat these occasions as momentus occasions and when the heroes have to look their most composed or competent, but I think I much prefer Gaim and Drive trying badly to fit into a car and yelling over each other on the (space) road. |
01-10-2022, 11:52 PM | #262 |
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Ah yes, in terms of rankings this movie is currently #6 on my rankings and because of how things end up going, it's basically my second favorite Movie Wars styled film of the Winter Flicks, with Megamax beating it out.
So just to keep tally since I will keep doing this. 2nd - Megamax 6th - Full Throttle 7th - 2010 8th - Sengoku 9th - Ultimatum 10th - Core Anyway I really enjoyed this movie! I feel like Takatora's an easier guy to redeem than Mitchy who really got his hands dirty during the latter half of Gaim. And while I'm alright with Mitchy nowadays, Takatora is like right there. And I'd honestly like to say that he's basically taken up the role as Main Rider in Gaim now that Kouta is currently busy doing God stuff. The henshin with him slapping the belt on and getting the bodysuit to protect himself before he fully transforms was great, love Henshin's like that. The Drive portion was just wonderful honestly, Kamen Rider Lupin is great (may his suit rest in peace due to recent stageshows) and his aesthetic is just... it hits so many of my likes in a suit. If I had a better sense of where to buy P-Bandai at the time I would have gotten the Lupin Gunner for sure. Also I love the little bits in this movie that end up tying into the Final Form debut in the series. All the Shift Cars resonating to help revive Mr. Belt, Shinnosuke and Mr. Belt resonating to overpower Lupin, it's basically Type Tridoron but super downscale and I love that. The third part of the movie is also a delight. I definitely got a Buddy Cop vibe from the ending team up. And it's just cool to see the villains get a piece of the action because they're like "Yeah no, screw this braniac ripoff" and you just get this entire pile of heroes and villains fighting off cloned monsters. Meanwhile you get Drive and Gaim using fruit power to drive a car to a Death Star planet and blow up its glowing weak point in an exciting chase sequence ending with a really cool Rider Kick. Overall, real fun movie. Despite being in the middle of my list (spoilers, it does go beyond 10), it's still a real fun movie all the way through for me. Last edited by Enchilada645; 01-10-2022 at 11:54 PM.. |
01-10-2022, 11:55 PM | #263 |
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I mean, it's from the guy who brought you the best-ever opening theme, so I'd expect nothing less!
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Seeing Mai play a damsel in distress (again!) was a bit weird to me. She's the Woman of the Beginning for crying out loud. She traveled through time! Surely she has other powers? It might have been a bit more forgivable if she tried to actually defend herself instead of just running away before Megahex captured her.
Remember when Kouta stuck her on a train and asked those Weird Train Kids to kidnap her? But in a friendly way? Good times. Quote:
Regarding her relationship with Micchy, however, I think her forgiveness and willingness to give him another chance fit in perfectly with her character of being this bright, optimistic and bubbly person who's willing to see the good in others. Personally though, I would've preferred a scene where Mitsuzane actually apologises to her about all the crap he put her through, they have a heart-to-heart talk and then part on good terms. I feel like Mai's forgiveness would then feel more natural and have a more solid weight behind it instead of just 'water under the bridge, no questions asked'.
But, yeah, I too would've liked it if there'd been some genuine closure to Micchy's arc, rather than just everyone deciding not to make a big deal about it.
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01-11-2022, 12:13 AM | #264 |
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RYOUMA: That's right, Takatora! I'm back! As a robot! And I've got this robotic jaw! From the space robots! They've transformed me! MEGAHEX: WE... WE DIDN'T DO THAT, ACTUALLY. HE DID THAT TO HIMSELF. RYOUMA: They've made me a cyborg, Takatora! Aren't you impressed?! MEGAHEX: WE TOLD HIM IT WAS WEIRD. KAITO'S GOING TO COME BACK LATER IN THE FIGHT, AND HE DEFINITELY WILL NOT HAVE A WEIRD ROBOT JAW. RYOUMA: I'm a machine god, now! MEGAHEX: THIS IS SORT OF AWKWARD. IT'S MAYBE CULTURAL APPROPRIATION. HE'S REALLY INTO CALLING HIMSELF A ROBOT. WE'RE GOING TO GO. Quote:
The team part at the ene is also a lot of fun. The two heroes are mostly just goofing around and I'm all for it. These team ups rather expectedly treat these occasions as momentus occasions and when the heroes have to look their most composed or competent, but I think I much prefer Gaim and Drive trying badly to fit into a car and yelling over each other on the (space) road.
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I love how they execute on the hat. It's almost a shame that Lupin wasn't reused in the show proper (if I remember right), but then I might not get the ending I got, and I can't risk that. I love Drive's ending with Heart so much. (Also: Heart was great in this!)
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01-11-2022, 03:56 AM | #265 |
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Anyway, this was my first real experience with Rider crossover movies (which keeps that link somewhat on topic) and I was kind of confused by the two segments format. I was like ?When?s Drive gonna show up?? I hadn?t watched either show at the time, but I did get most of the plot. I just didn?t register the cameos. |
01-11-2022, 08:01 AM | #266 |
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Oh wow, I didn't even realise you were skipping Gaim's summer movie (or that you skipped Wizard's!). Just feel the SHTs are enough for a solo outing for them?
This movie was fun. Not much more to it than that but it's kind of hard to beat the Tridoron flying through space on orange slice wheels to blow up a representation of collective consciousness, right? I remember just having a good laugh when I watched it years ago. Fun stuff!
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01-11-2022, 08:38 AM | #267 |
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I love how they execute on the hat. It's almost a shame that Lupin wasn't reused in the show proper (if I remember right), but then I might not get the ending I got, and I can't risk that. I love Drive's ending with Heart so much. (Also: Heart was great in this!)
That being said, I really adore the design and I kind of wish a Kamen Rider game that came out during Gaim had come out during Drive post this movie. Because it was all about movies, and had a really fitting villain named Cinema. He looked cool too. Of course he just ends up possessing the most recent villainous movie Rider, Bujin Gaim, to be the final boss and I always thought it was lame. Now if it were Lupin? I'd be down because both really managed to match aesthetics for the most part. |
01-11-2022, 09:33 AM | #268 |
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So with the Wizard/Gaim movie I said that I remembered watching but forgot everything about it. I can’t even remember if I watched this one.
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01-11-2022, 01:30 PM | #269 |
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So Megamax was, like, one of the first Toku things I ever saw and the fact it landed with me says a tonne about the strength of that movie. Then you have the Gaim/Wizard movie the year after, and while I really like the Wizard portion of that (Your monthly reminder that Wizard is, in fact, good!), the Gaim portion is messy. And then you get to Gaim/Drive, a movie where I both understood the Gaim backstory, and enjoyed the Drive side-story! It's a win-win!
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01-11-2022, 07:04 PM | #270 |
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Anyway, without getting into the details (especially since I'm long over most of this now), a lot of Gaim's plotting decisions toward the end left me feeling burned, and in part because of that, I greeted Drive with immense enthusiasm right out of the gate. The typical line I always always see about that show is "it got really good halfway through", and while I understand the added appeal and intrigue of Chase's arc hitting its turning point, the way Gou really settled into a nice groove, a more personal storyline for Shinnosuke, greater development for Heart and the other Roidmude bosses... Uh, what I was trying to say again? Oh, right! As good as *all that* stuff obviously is, the vibrant, energetic simplicity of that first quarter or so, it basically totally rekindled my love of this whole franchise after basically the only thing that's ever even slightly dampened it happened, and for that alone, I would always be fond of Drive. Everything else I love about it, including how strong that later material is, it's almost like a bonus. It's nearly up there with the level of fun I had following Fourze week after week, and just like Fourze, I'm a little upset with myself that I don't actively consider it a top tier favorite, even though it's so special to me. (Instead, like Fourze, I inexplicably fell even more in love with the boring show after it that everyone hates.) I realize I'm not really talking about the movie itself here, but since I don't remember nearly enough about it to offer any real critique, I'll just say, at the time, I remember figuring the Gaim part would have the usual Gaim movie weirdness but be palatable enough, and was crazy excited for the idea of Drive's showdown with some kind of epic phantom thief rival character. It pretty much lived up to those expectations, with the bonus of the team-up part being WAY more fun than I would've guessed. I'll always especially remember how cute it is when Drive introduces himself as a humble civil servant in response to Gaim's claim that he's a space god, because man did that ever demonstrate why I was so ready to cling to Shinnosuke after where Kouta's character ended up in his show. While a lot of series have challenged Drive for my undivided affection, to this day, I'd readily offer Shinnosuke as one of my favorite Rider protagonists ever. You're right on about him having a notably committed and charismatic actor. Ryouma Takeuchi's performance is absurdly strong, and unlike a lot of Rider leads, it didn't even take him a bit to get there. There are two moments in particular that I always find myself thinking back to with him. One is the "take a good look at my face" speech from episode 4, and it's like, that was only the fourth episode! The other is a single line from Surprise Future that I'll have to remember to bring up when you rewatch it. Quote:
If people aren't being reminded of this *at least* weekly, then I apologize for not doing my job properly.
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