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05-11-2020, 10:20 PM | #131 |
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What makes him the wrong hero for the mission? I think as you said there, Ryuki is the one where the Rider protagonist archetype is wrong for the mission (dealing with human villains), typically with monsters as the primary villains, they have no dilemmas. Also weak muscles? I don't think most of the Kamen Riders are fighters by default, especially when they first turn into tem, but they obviously can pack a punch because of the Riders' superhuman traits regardless of who you are.
And for Keitaro being the wrong hero for the mission, I meant it in a more general sense, since I have literally no idea what Faiz's mission even is yet. (Unless it's getting on people's nerves, in which case Takumi is definitely the ideal man for that mission.) It's more that Takumi is destined to be Faiz, and Keitaro getting the belt would inevitably lead to tragedy. Again, that's what genre this show is! Quote:
Which I am a-okay with! If there's some inciting incident, like he let a friend down in school and now he's sworn off friends forever, it's trite. If he just innately came to the conclusion that he's broken, and will inevitably hurt anyone who gets close to him, that is actually way more interesting of a character, and way more realistic. People don't... it's not like most of us are aware of why we act the way we do, you know? People can spend years in therapy to even be able to articulate their failings the way Takumi does. Delving deeper than that, getting to the why of those feelings... only in stories, man. And the best stories avoid it. Quote:
I'm telling you, I've seen that play, and he is not testing them. He wants to share, but he wants them to want him to share. He's being dramatic. Even when they eventually cave and ask, he tries to demur, to get them to ask more questions. Takumi nailed it, he's just being annoying.
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05-12-2020, 05:00 AM | #132 |
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「内臓の一部が人間のものじゃなくなってるっていうんですから」 Which would be more like "They're saying some of their internal organs were no longer those of a human", which, like, I can't even remember at this point what that means or why the distinction would matter, so I guess it's very lucky "Murder Make Cops Go ???" is still the main takeaway from these scenes. It's apparently a consequence-free enough environment that all the errors just barely manage to fudge their way into still sounding okay. Just, "oh alright something wrong with the organs got it" And yeah, Soeno definitely has a totally different energy from a guy like Ichijou or even Hikawa. If you told me Sawamura was literally just Omuro I might believe it though.
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05-12-2020, 08:23 AM | #133 |
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3. Speaking of The New Guy, there’s a new guy on Team Orphnoch! He’s basically their Keitaro, a slightly wacky dude who understands what genre of show he’s on and what his role is supposed to be, and is 100% okay with that. While Team Faiz is grudgingly following Keitaro’s mission, Team Orphnoch is getting pulled deeper into the conflict thanks to The New Guy’s mix of enthusiasm and recklessness. (He is totally their Keitaro! He’s even got a heightened sense of smell! But not just for the horrors that lurk within men’s hearts, like Keitaro! He also can tell what you had for lunch!) It’s hard to get much of a feel for what he’s going to bring to the group dynamic, since he mostly has his own side plot this episode, but I think having a pretty symmetrical Team Orphnoch to Team Faiz thing is a great idea. (Also, controversial comparison, but Team Orphnoch’s Takumi is Yuka, not Yuuji. Yuuji is their Mari.)
Now that I think about it, this show is kind of like a precursor of Lupinranger VS Patranger. Quote:
Actually, having just taken a look at that scene, I'm not sure it was? The line from Sawamura is:
「内臓の一部が人間のものじゃなくなってるっていうんですから」 Which would be more like "They're saying some of their internal organs were no longer those of a human", which, like, I can't even remember at this point what that means or why the distinction would matter, so I guess it's very lucky "Murder Make Cops Go ???" is still the main takeaway from these scenes. It's apparently a consequence-free enough environment that all the errors just barely manage to fudge their way into still sounding okay. Just, "oh alright something wrong with the organs got it" And yeah, Soeno definitely has a totally different energy from a guy like Ichijou or even Hikawa. If you told me Sawamura was literally just Omuro I might believe it though. About the translations, I thought it was weird how they translated Master, which was already an English word. I don't remember them doing that in Kiva with Mald'amour.
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05-12-2020, 08:30 AM | #134 |
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Kamen Riders, by default, have Protagonist strength. They get to punch and tackle monsters before they Henshin, while every other character gets knocked out if a monster so much as glances at them. That's the genre of show this is!
And for Keitaro being the wrong hero for the mission, I meant it in a more general sense, since I have literally no idea what Faiz's mission even is yet. (Unless it's getting on people's nerves, in which case Takumi is definitely the ideal man for that mission.) It's more that Takumi is destined to be Faiz, and Keitaro getting the belt would inevitably lead to tragedy. Again, that's what genre this show is! Quote:
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Interesting how you consider Kaido the equivalent to Keitarou, since I previously made the comparison of Keitarou to Kiba as the nice guys, leaving Takumi and Kaido as the a**holes and Mari and Yuka as neutral. You make a valid point though. Kaido and Keitarou are polar opposites but they both play the wild card in their respective teams with Keitarou being the nice guy and Kaido being the guy who allegedly doesn't care about humans. I think there's more than one way to pair these characters together. How do you see Takumi and Yuka as equivalents and likewise with Kiba and Mari? I would like to see that perspective.
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With all of that team building, uh, not much space for this episode’s Faiz Fight! It’s mostly a cliffhanger anyway, as Faiz’s fight against The New Guy is just a way to get our first Horsepower Vs Faiz fight next episode. And, man, I really like that we got to see Yuuji vs Takumi first, with Yuuji as the better man, and then when we get Horsepower Vs Faiz it’s Horsepower coming to the aid of a friend. So good! So complex!
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05-12-2020, 09:57 AM | #135 |
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Actually, having just taken a look at that scene, I'm not sure it was? The line from Sawamura is:
「内臓の一部が人間のものじゃなくなってるっていうんですから」 Which would be more like "They're saying some of their internal organs were no longer those of a human", which, like, I can't even remember at this point what that means or why the distinction would matter, so I guess it's very lucky "Murder Make Cops Go ???" is still the main takeaway from these scenes. It's apparently a consequence-free enough environment that all the errors just barely manage to fudge their way into still sounding okay. Just, "oh alright something wrong with the organs got it"
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05-12-2020, 10:02 AM | #136 |
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Interesting how you consider Kaido the equivalent to Keitarou, since I previously made the comparison of Keitarou to Kiba as the nice guys, leaving Takumi and Kaido as the a**holes and Mari and Yuka as neutral. You make a valid point though. Kaido and Keitarou are polar opposites but they both play the wild card in their respective teams with Keitarou being the nice guy and Kaido being the guy who allegedly doesn't care about humans. I think there's more than one way to pair these characters together. How do you see Takumi and Yuka as equivalents and likewise with Kiba and Mari? I would like to see that perspective.
Now that I think about it, this show is kind of like a precursor of Lupinranger VS Patranger. But, like you said, a lot of ways to compare these six characters!
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05-12-2020, 10:10 AM | #137 |
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How do you think that Naoya Kaido (the new guy) is their Keitaro? He's the more gruff and aloof between the three.... he's more like their Takumi, honestly. It's kind of reversed between the Team Faiz and Team Orphnoch, Team Faiz has 2 jerks with 1 mild, but Team Orphnoch has 2 milds with 1 jerk. Was Kaido denied from his job interview from behaving "inappropriately" with his enhanced senses as an Orphnoch?
Also, the two of them are the High Energy members of their groups, the ones who show the most enthusiasm. The other four could just stay inside all day, but Keitaro and The New Guy gotta be out in the world! But there are a lot of ways to compare these six characters!
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05-12-2020, 05:10 PM | #138 |
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Anyway, I don't think anybody watches Faiz for the criminal investigation elements, which is why it makes me so happy to see how much the main cast continues to do for you. These main six characters really do have all kinds of fascinating parallels, and they're all so fleshed out it really is hard to say the two trios line up with each other in one particular way. Also, Keitarou is the man. I used to have it in my head he was just the show's punching bag, but on a rewatch, he's the MVP of that group pretty frequently. It's very telling that even Takumi has warmed up to him a bit already.
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05-12-2020, 09:41 PM | #139 |
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I really love that Takumi's opinion of him changes after Keitaro demonstrates the usefulness of patience and attention to detail. Like, Keitaro is basically saying Maybe Don't Quit As Soon As Things Get Difficult, and Takumi is shook by it, and views Keitaro in a whole new light. Takumi has a lot of very deep-seated problems! In his brain!
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05-12-2020, 09:55 PM | #140 |
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Keitaro sometimes can be needy as hell, but he's like the Team Mom/heart and soul/whatever metaphor you'd use for someone who prevent the other two people from driving each other insane (in this sense, he fulfills the same role as Yuuji's I guess).
But, I also think it's not wrong to call him a punching bag; Faiz has a terrific cast, it's just the way they're being used that... were often sub-optimal, IMO. |
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