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05-23-2022, 07:21 PM | #1191 |
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...And that rule is that we aren't meant to go past our limits, apparently! A respectably Kiramager-esque stance, Die! Even when Sentai loses out, it seems it wins in spirit.
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05-23-2022, 10:27 PM | #1192 |
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RIDER TIME: KAMEN RIDER ZI-O VS DECADE - “7 ZI-OS”
Man, thought this one was going to be right in my wheelhouse, but it sort of petered out for me? It’s the run-time, probably. I don’t think this story needed to be twice as long as Decade Vs. It doesn’t really go anywhere major, and brevity is the soul of wit. Keeping this thing to a tight 30 would’ve added more snap to the humor, and kept the Decade Being A Violent Weirdo parts to a blessed minimum. (I just don’t love Tsukasa threatening teenagers, and then being like Oh No The Bad Guy Is A Child. Like, you’ve murdered several children, guy! Pick a lane!) There’s a lot of spark to the first episode, and then the second one kinda meanders, and then the third one has a few bright spots and a whole lot of stuff I’ve already forgotten. Sort of a straight downward slope, for me. Fun slope, though, like a slide in a playground. I like how much this special works within a Teen Dramedy palette. As much as the end of the special strips a lot of that away (such a bummer to see Swartz and Ora back as Time Jackers), there’s so much commitment to insane teachers and teen crushes and making friends and violent bullies and afterschool clubs, so it’s not like Inoue up and abandoned the premise. He wrung a ton of juice out of it, and a bit of pulp, too. For example, I appreciated Inoue trying to do a queer-positive plot with Heure, and I honestly think even the more negative elements can be explained. Like, this is a story that treats Heure’s crush on Sougo as a natural thing, and not something that deserves mockery… while still remembering that Sougo doesn’t do great with romantic attention, Geiz is very protective of Sougo around potential suitors for reasons that are certainly not worth examining, Ora loves torturing Heure in every timeline, and Heure sort of exists in the narrative to be the butt of the joke. Even within all that, we get a story where Heure isn’t treated any differently for being gay. That’s kind of nice? (Okay, so, Heure does get exploded at the end of the story, which is some real Bury Your Gays 101 shit. But! A romantic interest getting exploded to solidify the hero’s resolve is, like or not, a pretty standard tokusatsu trope, and also Swartz outright says that Heure’s bound to reappear as a Time Jacker. It’s a little tacky, for sure, but I don’t think it’s incriminating or anything.) I’m not sure the rest of the story really resonated with me. The other Sougos were fun caricatures, but nothing that felt like it was saying anything about Sougo himself. The entire story ends up being a riff on Sougo’s early-series realization that being a king doesn’t mean much if you’re all alone in the attempt, but faster and with less nuance. (INOUE!) It’s cute, but it’s not really stretching the metaphor or re-examining the themes. It’s just doing it all in high school, and that’s plenty cute. Until Decade shows up, which hurts me to say as much as it makes some people happy to hear. I don’t know why Decade needed to be in this story? Where he’s murdering teenagers? And wearing the dumbest-looking upgrade suit I’ve ever seen? And then just sort of randomly dying, until Woz goes Nah at the end? He not only doesn’t add anything of substance to this story, he’s actually detracting from it. And worse, sort of hurting my feelings as a Decade fan/defender, which is not how I expect Inoue to treat me. So, yeah, didn’t love this one! Started great, with Swartz badly explaining romance and various Sougos letting that actor play around, but then it sort of limped across the finish line, as uninspired as Tsukuyomi’s new haircut. Helluva note to end these posts on! Sorry! I still love Zi-O, though! And INOUE FOREVER!
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05-23-2022, 10:50 PM | #1193 |
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The runtime differences are actually because this was part of a Telasa vs. TTFC (Toei Tokusatsu Fan Club) sort of deal with both series. Each airing on a separate web service. So the short and long runtime of each likely have to do with each streaming service. But yeah this special didn't entirely land for me but I did like a lot of small little details. So I'll list them out from what I remember.
-The Sougo's having unique Henshin Sequences, it's that level of absurd that was just great. Like the bike horns for bancho Sougo or like... cute Sougo and his teddy bear thing. -Sougo's little festival thing is a really cute idea and I just loved seeing when that'd pop up again. -Tsukuyomi in general despite getting injured and unable to really participate further after that? Like just the small little things we get to know about Tsukuyomi in this special, how she was doing charity work with children. I though that was a cute little tidbit tbh that really helps expand her a bit more. -Kamen Rider Tsukuyomi was probably the highlight fights for me? Given her isolated nature I thought she would've been the "oh she tries to fight but dies" role that sometimes happens. But no she gets two fights and we get to see more of her Rider suit, and despite getting injured I dug it since you know, more Kamen Rider Tsukuyomi is a good thing. -Inves are just edible without any adverse side effects? Like I'll be real I thought eating Inves would've turned people into Inves but nope. I mostly thought like that since the preview for the 3rd episode had the Inves in the school and I'm like "oh no" but then it was just Tsukasa opening the flood gates. -Complete 21 is absurd and really, if you got rid of the 02 Card and just made the horns extend above the Decade Complete Card, got rid of the cards on the cape then you'd have a pretty alright and serviceable form. Really it's only sin is that it does nothing. -This is in general but Inside Out is a pretty good song, both versions. Anyway I do have to ask, despite not being much, which non-standard Sougo was your favorite to watch? |
05-23-2022, 11:08 PM | #1194 |
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Kamen Rider Tsukuyomi was probably the highlight fights for me? Given her isolated nature I thought she would've been the "oh she tries to fight but dies" role that sometimes happens. But no she gets two fights and we get to see more of her Rider suit, and despite getting injured I dug it since you know, more Kamen Rider Tsukuyomi is a good thing.
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05-23-2022, 11:10 PM | #1195 |
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Special Time! 7'o clock Edition!
-What's with the rep with this one? I know the way Heure's treated would probably be more or less the same regardless of either his or Sougo's gender considering some of the romances Inoue's had a hand in, so it stings less (still pretty :/ tho!) but like. Did you have to throw in that "But he's a dude line?", from one of our main heroes no less?! (At least that line being there gave birth to one of my favorite jokes about Zi-O) -The ghost girl wanting to look for a guy like Sougo if she were to be reborn, and here she is snuggling up with DJ Sougo, that's a bit cute? -The gimmick is 7 Sougos, and like. yeah, I'll give it, it's a bit amusing to see 6 slightly different preformances from the same actor. I especially like Deliquent Sougo, who is a fun departure than Sougo's normal self. Also a shoutout to Teddy Sougo, something about one's comfort object turning into one's armor, that's a really cool idea? -Everyone in the quartet has slightly different haircuts! The only one who looks real good is Woz, who looks goregous with long hair honestly? (Geiz looks so unnatural with neat hair and Tsuku......oof. The wigs the Sougos' wearing are Fine Enough but they look really weird from certain angles?) -The wiki says it's set one month after the Geiz movie, and......I honestly hate that? A lot? Like the special is straight-up the antithesis of why I liked the Geiz movie, so having them be connected puts a pit in my stomach. Let Sougo and friends be happy in their little high school AU, won't you? -Really funny that since the series has no mooks of its own, they have to use the Inves? (Speaking of, since they brought it up, I wonder what Inves meat tastes like? What's the tastiest Rider monster, I wonder?) -I don't get this "True Sougo" plot at all. Once again, the whole point of Oma Zi-O is that it's always a potenial future for Sougo, so why do we have to fight over which Sougo becomes him????? Sougo's in the protagonist seat, but it still feels like they're treating Oma like Random Rider Bad Guy #28420 instead how they did it in the actual show, and I don't vibe with that at all. -Tsukasa being relieved that his journey's at a end through death.....hm. I don't know how to feel about that. Overall.....I don't really like this one, rather not watch it again. It felt like it was vaguely trying to say something about Sougo as a character, but utilmately didn't deliver. Probably not the way I'd like a "Zi-O special that involves Decade and also make sure you promote the Saber Ridewatch please!" to go, but we can't have everything I guess. -I'm pretty sure a lot of ppl didn't like these specials, so when Donbrothers' writer was revealed, and *this* and the Kiva arc was the most recent pieces of toku he's written, it's safe to say some ppl got apprehensive about the show. Glad those were only misguided fears tho! |
05-23-2022, 11:22 PM | #1196 |
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What's with the rep with this one? I know the way Heure's treated would probably be more or less the same regardless of either his or Sougo's gender considering some of the romances Inoue's had a hand in, so it stings less (still pretty :/ tho!) but like. Did you have to throw in that "But he's a dude line?", from one of our main heroes no less?! (At least that line being there gave birth to one of my favorite jokes about Zi-O)
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I'm pretty sure a lot of ppl didn't like these specials, so when Donbrothers' writer was revealed, and *this* and the Kiva arc was the most recent pieces of toku he's written, it's safe to say some ppl got apprehensive about the show. Glad those were only misguided fears tho!
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05-24-2022, 02:57 AM | #1197 |
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“Romance is the ultimate avoidance of reality”
I cannot hate this for that line alone (that and, as I said when I posted on the thread for this special, it doesn’t not feel like a Zi-O thing or a Decade thing) But all good things must come to an end. Fortunately, so must this Ridewatch playlist (I still need to think of an interesting gimmick for the Zero-One thread) “Continuing into Reiwa, the photo album Rider, Decade Complete Form 21” And the last entry on the list is Inside Out (Decade ver.) And unlike Zangetsu Kachidoki, they released the repaint almost immediately rather than making you wait for a CSM version (they also reissued the Neo DecaDriver for those who wanted this, but missed the original release. Also, imagine the headlines when the press discovers Schwartz and Ora are missing. “High school Princpal Elopes with Underage Heiress” Last edited by Androzani84; 05-24-2022 at 03:00 AM.. |
05-24-2022, 06:12 AM | #1198 |
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This special was plain bad, probably one of the worst pieces of Rider media I've ever seen; but it did give us the best Rider suit ever in Complete 21, so I've made peace with it. Can't stay too mad at it with that thing around
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05-24-2022, 07:09 AM | #1199 |
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05-24-2022, 10:25 AM | #1200 |
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One of the things I sort of liked about this special is how it critiqued the solo, post-series Tsukasa appearances, and how much less heroic he gets as the years drag on. It's almost Oma Zi-O-esque, honestly: this guy who was a hero, goes it alone, stops seeing the worth of individuals as he defends a larger scale of humanity, and eventually becomes indistinguishable from a villain. (He's pretty disinterested in the people getting murdered in this special!)
But then Team Decade pops out of a floorboard, and he's a hero again, risking everything to save all of reality from someone else's narrative and nemesis. Like, that's Zi-O's message as a show? That we need other people to keep us in check as well as lift us up? INOUE! Tsukasa losing his sense of self, again, that's pretty much the most tragic thing that could happen to him, right? And that's what happens when nobody's around to affirm their belief in him. It's a great analogy that Inoue's worst work is usually when nobody is around to keep him in check and Tsukasa's personality was based on that guy, after all. Really enjoyed seeing the old Tsukasa back! Anyway, since I did a review for this at the time.... Sh Ranger also watched Rider Time Zi-O VS Decade Don't mind the small part about Reiwa First Generation and "Pseudo-True Sougo", it's mostly nonsense. I stand by a lot of my points here though. This spin-off succeeded where Geiz Majesty failed for me, by giving me a reason to care about the new versions of the characters. It introduced a whole bunch of other Sougos, specifically to show how each Sougo is unique and has the right to exist. Even the villainous Delinquent Sougo was mourned by New Sougo for this reason. It puts Sougo back at the center of the story, putting seven of them in conflict to decide who is most worthy of the destiny of becoming Oma Zi-O, with the conclusion that they all are. Cause they're all Sougo. Zi-O VS Decade is a celebration of the character of Tokiwa Sougo, in all his forms. IWAE! For anybody curious, here's all the Sougos I've counted, in chronological order: SOUGO Oma Sougo Our/True Sougo 3 Days Ago Sougo Dark Sougo New Sougo (A) Basketball Sougo Hipster Sougo (B) Prep Sougo (C) Delinquent Sougo (D) Teddy Sougo (E) Coward Sougo (F) Total: 12 Quote:
RIDER TIME: KAMEN RIDER ZI-O VS DECADE - ?7 ZI-OS?
For example, I appreciated Inoue trying to do a queer-positive plot with Heure, and I honestly think even the more negative elements can be explained. Like, this is a story that treats Heure?s crush on Sougo as a natural thing, and not something that deserves mockery? while still remembering that Sougo doesn?t do great with romantic attention, Geiz is very protective of Sougo around potential suitors for reasons that are certainly not worth examining, Ora loves torturing Heure in every timeline, and Heure sort of exists in the narrative to be the butt of the joke. Even within all that, we get a story where Heure isn?t treated any differently for being gay. That?s kind of nice? (Okay, so, Heure does get exploded at the end of the story, which is some real Bury Your Gays 101 shit. But! A romantic interest getting exploded to solidify the hero?s resolve is, like or not, a pretty standard tokusatsu trope, and also Swartz outright says that Heure?s bound to reappear as a Time Jacker. It?s a little tacky, for sure, but I don?t think it?s incriminating or anything.) Quote:
Until Decade shows up, which hurts me to say as much as it makes some people happy to hear. I don?t know why Decade needed to be in this story? Where he?s murdering teenagers? And wearing the dumbest-looking upgrade suit I?ve ever seen? And then just sort of randomly dying, until Woz goes Nah at the end? He not only doesn?t add anything of substance to this story, he?s actually detracting from it. And worse, sort of hurting my feelings as a Decade fan/defender, which is not how I expect Inoue to treat me.]
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-I don't get this "True Sougo" plot at all. Once again, the whole point of Oma Zi-O is that it's always a potenial future for Sougo, so why do we have to fight over which Sougo becomes him????? Sougo's in the protagonist seat, but it still feels like they're treating Oma like Random Rider Bad Guy #28420 instead how they did it in the actual show, and I don't vibe with that at all. Quote:
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-I'm pretty sure a lot of ppl didn't like these specials, so when Donbrothers' writer was revealed, and *this* and the Kiva arc was the most recent pieces of toku he's written, it's safe to say some ppl got apprehensive about the show. Glad those were only misguided fears tho!
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