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08-14-2023, 07:13 PM | #21 |
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Where the heck's Samas? I bet she's intentionally kept as a loose end by Takahashi. She'll probably conveniently appear on episode 48 or 49 to backstab Sueru and take his Zillion Driver, just like what she did to Niram, and then become the final villain. Also, if Sueru did own the Zillion Driver, a more powerful version of the Vision Driver, why didn't he use it on episode 38 to complete the Grand End? Why did he let problems escalate? Isn't DGP supposed to be a God (with capital G) that can create and manipulate virtual worlds (Ace's world being one of them) to their whim?
Gosh. What a hyper-bloated, hyper-contrived story. It's so contrived that the writers themselves are confused and can't finish it as scheduled. This series is so hilariously, laughably bad. Geats is the apex of bad writing. |
08-14-2023, 09:13 PM | #22 |
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It seems that Beroba and Kekera didn't get bouquets, so maybe they will get what they deserve in V-cinema. Personally, I will forgive Daichi when he releases all people from his Knowledge Tree. What exactly will he do or has already done.
Crazy Theory: Daichi is not Nadge. I'll explain now. He became Jamato and, most likely, according to the method of Archimedes (for we have not seen others). That is, it is Jamato with Daichi's memory and consciousness. But Archimedel believed that Jamato could develop to such an extent that they would become independent and replace people. So maybe it's still true and the current Jamato-Daichi is a separate person and received only the memory of the original? Of course, the responsibility for the Knowledge Tree is entirely on him, but this can be attributed to the negative influence of the original. Last edited by The Chaos Entity; 08-14-2023 at 09:15 PM.. |
08-15-2023, 12:41 AM | #23 |
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This statement is contradicted by the fact that years of Akari and Neon were repeated 6 times at the same episodes in the show. So either the author still does not trust the audience, or he has a strange prioritization. |
08-15-2023, 01:12 AM | #24 |
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What the heck do you mean by "years"? Do you mean flashbacks? Or did you mean to type out something like "fears"? I'm sorry, I'm having trouble understanding where you're coming from here, because like nothing about this makes sense.
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08-15-2023, 01:21 AM | #25 |
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Again, if the author had trusted the audience, Irumi would have just hugged Neon in the hospital, without any dialogue, because we already heard that she loves her daughter in the previous episode and will hear more when the family gets together. Nevertheless, for some reason they decided to take the time to say it all out loud. Last edited by Mesnick; 08-15-2023 at 01:24 AM.. |
08-15-2023, 02:00 AM | #26 |
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I mean "8 Years of Akari and 11 Years of Neon", which was repeatedly discussed by the entire Kurama family throughout episodes 43 and 44. I doubt it could have been skipped because, as I wrote, they repeated it 6 times in 40 minutes.
Again, if the author had trusted the audience, Irumi would have just hugged Neon in the hospital, without any dialogue, because we already heard that she loves her daughter in the previous episode and will hear more when the family gets together. Nevertheless, for some reason they decided to take the time to say it all out loud. This isn't a case of the author not trusting the audience, this is a case of a character affirming the truth of their words to another, both of whom are currently at an emotional high at the moment. I feel like that reunion at the hospital would need affirmative dialogue like that between characters because Neon was someone who wanted and needed to be explicitly told that her parents truly love her after realizing it. I don't think this is the same as trusting the audience to connect the dots between things like Jitt being Game Master meant he had a hand in affecting Keiwa's wish in Genesis to how Girori being Game Master meant that he had a hand in affecting Ace's wish in Encounter/Scheme. Honestly though, it's pretty clear to me that neither of us will get the other to agree, so I think we'll just have to agree to disagree and end it at that. Last edited by MKDremare; 08-15-2023 at 02:10 AM.. |
08-15-2023, 10:28 AM | #27 |
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I'll be honest, I think it would've been equally strange if she just hugged Neon without saying a thing considering how Neon at that point has been viewing herself and her relationship with other people, especially her parents. Because another part is just Neon not realizing that she is loved because of how long she hadn't been outright told it before. And ever since finding out the truth about her origins, she hadn't thought she was capable of being loved because of it. Nor has she been really able to recognize it either.
This isn't a case of the author not trusting the audience, this is a case of a character affirming the truth of their words to another, both of whom are currently at an emotional high at the moment. I feel like that reunion at the hospital would need affirmative dialogue like that between characters because Neon was someone who wanted and needed to be explicitly told that her parents truly love her after realizing it. I don't think this is the same as trusting the audience to connect the dots between things like Jitt being Game Master meant he had a hand in affecting Keiwa's wish in Genesis to how Girori being Game Master meant that he had a hand in affecting Ace's wish in Encounter |
08-15-2023, 11:35 AM | #28 |
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This isn't a case of the author not trusting the audience, this is a case of a character affirming the truth of their words to another, both of whom are currently at an emotional high at the moment. I feel like that reunion at the hospital would need affirmative dialogue like that between characters because Neon was someone who wanted and needed to be explicitly told that her parents truly love her after realizing it.
Plus, a bit of theory. Cinema is a visual art and its main method of communicating with the audience is the image. Therefore, everything that can be shown without words must be shown without words. And this is not my invention or preference, but what people are taught in universities. Quote:
Honestly though, it's pretty clear to me that neither of us will get the other to agree, so I think we'll just have to agree to disagree and end it at that.
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08-17-2023, 01:02 AM | #29 |
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Crazy Theory: Daichi is not Nadge. I'll explain now. He became Jamato and, most likely, according to the method of Archimedes (for we have not seen others). That is, it is Jamato with Daichi's memory and consciousness. But Archimedel believed that Jamato could develop to such an extent that they would become independent and replace people. So maybe it's still true and the current Jamato-Daichi is a separate person and received only the memory of the original? Of course, the responsibility for the Knowledge Tree is entirely on him, but this can be attributed to the negative influence of the original.
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Well, back to regular viewing. First, on the previous episodes: I am sincerely surprised that Daichi was forgiven and was not even forced to let everyone go from his Tree of Knowledge. Apparently, the happiness of these people can wait. Also: Did Jitt just beat up PunkJack (not even that hard) and let him go? Even though he freed Tsumuri? I mean, it's also a show where a much less aggressive Gamemaster turned him into a kamikaze zombie for a lot less. And PunkJack, already knowing where Jitt's base is, didn't show up there with the other riders for the final battle? Although here I can explain that they were waiting for the return of Ace.
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I don't know if it's just a translation thing, but I'm kind of confused by Daichi's characterization.
At first they said the reason he was becoming less evil was because, by consuming memories from the fruit of the tree of life, he by proxy absorbed their moral compass as well. Which made sense. But then the world was reset, and he lost those memories. Shouldn't that mean he would've reverted back to how he was prior? And now he's not evil because he feels he can learn more via the mundanities of life through observing Keiwa and his sister? Like, I'm not against a redemption arc (And this one isn't anywhere near as bad as Thouser's), but I'm just kind of confused as to where all this is coming from. Like I said, though, it could just be a translation thing. Quote:
The PunkJack Special showed that the idea of a "life without desires" for losing riders is wrong. They lose a specific desire they have made, but they can have or acquire others. In principle, it was noticeable even by Keiwa, because he wanted to win the lottery, and this is quite a desire. And considering how many bad things you can come up with, I doubt that the rascals would improve. Rather, they just changed the style.
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Seriously, this arc was a bit of the breaking point for me in the show. Why would a bunch of gangsters immediately attack and kill someone after being revived? Like, even if they were revived with memories of what happened in the DGP up until that point, there was literally no reason for them to attack anyone yet as the DGP specifically had rules about attacking anything other than a Jyamato. Even weirder is how they would have had the means to attack anyone, as they would be regular people without belts. Except, if they were brought back with their belts, wouldn't literally every other Rider who died have them as well? Given the reaction to both Danpan and a lesser extant Merry, Riders who would outright attack another player was a rare occurrence, and would have been disqualified before having the change to get killed in the DGP, so how could any actually murderous rider have any odds of overcoming literal hundreds of other Riders who, you know, don't want to die? Plus, the Gang Riders would be completely unarmed (who knows where they got weapon buckles), but if they were revived with their previous gear, Letter would have Propeller, Shirowe and Ginpen would have Arrow, and Togetchi would have Zombie. A lot better odds than just Armed Hammer or Armed Chain Array.
And don't you even know that the DGP is on hold for now? Which is the premise where the management wants to turn Tsumuri (or Ace) into the next Goddess so that they can hold the DGP again in other era. The Riders like Turbon are simply abusing their powers to cause havoc for their own satisfaction (when bad guys are given superpowers they can use it to wreak havoc, and they can get away like breaking out prisons with it - why Ouja keeps escaping from prison). Regarding hundreds of other Riders, it's unknown if perhaps Zitt is the one who made the wish turn out this way to screw over Keiwa (bad end for him) and use him as his pawn.... Quote:
I'll be honest, I think it would've been equally strange if she just hugged Neon without saying a thing considering how Neon at that point has been viewing herself and her relationship with other people, especially her parents. Because another part is just Neon not realizing that she is loved because of how long she hadn't been outright told it before. And ever since finding out the truth about her origins, she hadn't thought she was capable of being loved because of it. Nor has she been really able to recognize it either.
This isn't a case of the author not trusting the audience, this is a case of a character affirming the truth of their words to another, both of whom are currently at an emotional high at the moment. I feel like that reunion at the hospital would need affirmative dialogue like that between characters because Neon was someone who wanted and needed to be explicitly told that her parents truly love her after realizing it.
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08-17-2023, 01:55 AM | #30 |
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It's unknown what'd they pull later, and I don't believe that Daichi is redeemed for now, he'd be like Kuroto, Evolt, or Orteca in Battle Familia, of only doing things to benefit him that involves siding with the protagonists (hmm... Ex-Aid also had the ending where they're working to release people from Game Over, of which got partially ruined by Masamune who commits suicide to spite them).
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I hope that perhaps the Tree of Knowledge part would be more of a conflict later with Daichi viewing it as his pride, the only reason why he agrees to work with the protagonists later, to take his tree back from Beroba, he piroritizes his invention above anything else. There are no time limit for freeing the people in his Tree though, not everything has to be done in quickly hasty way (which also leads to agreeing with extremist plan or complaining about someone that isn't helped yet for now like donating money to someone else instead of what's "needed").
Also, Ace didn't have a time limit, but he still wanted to win games. Although he could wait another couple of millennia until only unpleasant bandits get into the game with him. He has unlimited time, why rush? What difference does it make to him being a celebrity in 2023th or 3356th? Last edited by Mesnick; 08-17-2023 at 01:58 AM.. |
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