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12-26-2021, 12:10 AM | #181 |
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This was brought up in the GoKaiger/Gavan movie, but the GoKaigers, in spite of being the pirate sentai, have not actually commited piracy. They only attack the evil empire that the space sheriffs consider criminals themselves and that isn't counted as piracy, apparently.
They get officially cleared by the Space Sheriffs as not being criminals of any kind.
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12-26-2021, 12:21 AM | #182 |
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This was brought up in the GoKaiger/Gavan movie, but the GoKaigers, in spite of being the pirate sentai, have not actually commited piracy. They only attack the evil empire that the space sheriffs consider criminals themselves and that isn't counted as piracy, apparently.
They get officially cleared by the Space Sheriffs as not being criminals of any kind. Basically, this was addressed back during the Dekaranger Tribute episode in Gokaiger when Ban says that the charges of piracy were pushed by Zangyack to discredit their character and de-legitimize them. In the Ohranger Tribute episode, Momo is clearly following the "pirates-in-name-only" rationalization. However, we know that the Gokaiger themselves actually wear the pirate moniker as a badge of honor, so the legal quandary is weird to say the least. In Gokaiger VS. Gavan, Don references that Dekaranger cleared them when Gavan OG tries to arrest them. The primary villains in Taisen Z are largely based on the villains from Sharivan, which is why Neo-Sharivan recognizes their castle through the portal. The film is terribly clunky and filled with a lot of stupid decisions. It seems asinine to blame Wizard and Beast for something that any number of magical Toku Heroes and Villains could be just as responsible for, which only serves to discredit the "brilliant" investigative work on the part of Gavan's Agency. Why don't they go after Magiranger instead? Cause they aren't new enough to bother so they aren't suspects. Also kinda dumb that they didn't have them in this movie to do some funky magic with Wizard. Missed opportunity, Toei! As cool as it is to see Inazuman, the appearance was still random. As was the reappearance of Groundain and Skydain, who are played as tragic villains here despite dying as egregious ones in the Fourze Movie. It's become a tiresome plot point for Geki to constantly be fired or suspended cause he fights for the right thing when everyone else has a bad habit of being stupid or so procedural to the point of madness So Geki has Metal Hero Keys despite just getting his powers back!? So anyone with Toku Powers can have a "Ranger Key"? Shadow Moon was just a villain with no leadership capacity in the previous Taisen, but here he's back to a leadership role. The only good thing about his inclusion is that he's vaporized by Kyoryuger! I kinda wonder if the plot is based on how many actors they can get back, then they write the "script" to fit the characters they have to work with. I do think this is one of the better instances in which the Mecha of the Next Generation Uchuu Keiji are given significant screentime. They tend to be painfully underutilized. It's a movie you can enjoy if you aren't looking for anything deep or serious. When you have heroes acting like idiots and arguing over how to best protect the Earth, you aren't going to be absorbing any great philosophical truth. If Earth has an alliance with the Uchuu Keiji Agency, I'd seriously consider suing given the whole "blow-up-a-planet-with-a-mega-cannon-we-don't-use-in-any-other-movie" thing! P.S.: Nice Death's Head reference, Die! Last edited by TokuKnight89; 12-26-2021 at 12:45 AM.. |
12-26-2021, 12:28 AM | #183 |
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The film is terribly clunky and filled with a lot of stupid decisions. It seems asinine to blame Wizard and Beast for something that any number of magical Toku Heroes and Villains could be just as responsible for, which only serves to discredit the "brilliant" investigative work on the part of Gavan's Agency.
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12-26-2021, 01:57 AM | #184 |
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I never saw this one. My general thoughts were that I did not want to sit through another movie like Superhero Taisen. I don't really regret it, even though I do tend to like the modern Gavan stuff (Toei seems really committed to making new Gavan work, even though I get the sense that it's not especially popular). I don't really have much else to add, other than I hope this film included the Gavan theme because it is probably my all-time favorite tokusatsu song.
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12-26-2021, 02:03 AM | #185 |
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I honestly don't get the appeal of the Gavan stuff, at least from this movie. (Which, apparently, is not great at communicating what's appealing about Gavan!) It's all very dull, and the coolest thing Geki does in this movie is quit. I got nothing against a cop show toku thing (Drive! Agito!), but this was just bland officiousness and Our Hands Are Tied unhelpfulness.
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12-26-2021, 04:04 AM | #186 |
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I’ll point out that Geki quitting/ getting fired or demoted is a pretty common thread in his movies. As I pointed out in my review of Gavan vs Dekaranger, he doesn’t get along with his bosses at all. The most surprising thing here is that the boss is OG Gavan, who normally has a good working relationship (I imagine either the stress of taking over as boss is getting to him, or the role had to be rewritten after the original chief’s actor died a few months prior to the movie).
As stated, Madou and Psycho are the bad guys from Sharivan. The main difference from Gavan’s bad guys Makuu is that these guys are connected to white wholes, whereas Makuu and Don Horror were all about black holes. I’ll also point out that in this movie, Raider is played by the guy who played Kagami’s dad in Kabuto. Which you’d be hard pressed to tell with that make up. |
12-26-2021, 05:49 AM | #187 |
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(What I DO sort of hold against this movie is how it uses Akumaizer 3, so I'll take this opportunity to link to my review of the real deal, because that is an amazing show I still wish got more attention.) But still, that Fourze portion is real good, from what I remember! I always like when these shows find ways to stress that the heroes aren't heroes because of all the cool material items they have in their possession, kinda fighting against the whole merchandise-driven nature of toku, so Gentarou literally destroying his own Driver was something I loved seeing. Really cemented how great I find his character, and this is after a whole series that already did that for me! Quote:
That's fair. I can't say I noticed, but it's definitely a failing in the Movie War format. The final fight is written by the new show's writer, and the movie is more to promote the currently running show than buff up the old guy. It usually ends up relying on the current Rider to be the most awesome.
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It's still totally incohesive, and less of an event than the original SHT, but it is infinitely more enjoyable for me. I was honestly surprised to find out that hasn't really changed at all so many years later.
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12-26-2021, 08:16 AM | #188 |
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Our little group actually did have a discussion to this effect on Discord.
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12-26-2021, 04:36 PM | #189 |
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-Fourze X Wizard: Movie War Ultimatum:
It's been a long time since I saw this one. But I liked the Fourze portion in how we get to see what happened to the cast after they graduated, seeing what they're doing with their lives, and Gentarou becoming a teacher is pretty accurate for his character. I also find it strangely funny how he travels back in time to take his past self's belt for the final battle. The Wizard portion is okay, don't know if I'd say better or not than the actual show, but not something that stands out to me that much. And as you saw, Akumaizer 3 became the bad guys this time, which at the time, I didn't know who they were (other than that they looked cool) so I didn't have any attachments until I saw their first two episodes. At least Inazuman and Poitirne were good guys, until they revealed who Poitirne was, which was kind of funny but sort of falls into the same camp with Kyodain and Akumaizer 3's treatment. Though I love the team up fight. -Super Hero Taisen Z: This is the first time I saw Metal Heroes, and I'm interested in checking them out after seeing Space Sherrif Gavan's first two episodes. Other than that, at least they weren't doing the old "we're only pretending to be evil" shtick, though having Gavan wanting to destroy all magic users was both understandable (in the sense that they didn't make it "the Riders and Sentai all deserve to die") and kind of stupid in jumping the space gun. Not a lot to say about this movie, but seeing all the Super Heroes fighting around the world (or just Japan, it's been a while) was fun. And I'm glad at least Kyodain 2.0 got to not be the villains this time around. Some good bits, but I honestly can't remember a lot of this movie, despite rather enjoying this one quite a bit. |
12-26-2021, 04:39 PM | #190 |
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Ah, the 2010's, when Toei would realise Metal Heroes existed, and try to make something of them every couple of years. Some of that stuff is pretty good, even if, as Die said, it really makes the Space Sherrifs look easy as hell to infiltrate. (Where's that Space Squad 2, Toei?) Some of that is not. Super Hero Taisen Z, if I'm remembering my 15 year old self's opinion right, is not one of the good ones. But hey! It's better than the original SHT.
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