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01-01-2017, 05:08 AM | #14001 |
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It's my favorite Rider show, it's that good.
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01-01-2017, 05:02 PM | #14002 |
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So in about three more episodes I think those problems I had with Kiva are really starting to get my goat. So I'm gonna rant a bit about my feelings re: this show as of episode 21.
I think my main problems with the show right now are structural. Specifically, how the characters behave way too neatly to fit that structure. The fact that the show is told in two parters is...fine, but they just feel...too self-contained? This is mostly something that bothers me about the 1986 side. Since a lot of stories follow the "Fangire gets away and reappears 22 years later" thread, you end up with a lot of cases where the Aozora Corporation is all preoccupied with the Fangire of the forthweek, but as soon as it gets away (i.e. Wataru kills it 22 years later) they somehow figure "Wait, let's not care about that anymore." Or at least that's what the fact that they're left to roam free and presumably keep feeding for over two decades would imply. This somehow even happened with Rook--during the two-parter in which he showed up, Yuri was really obsessed and focused on chasing and tracking him down, that was all she was doing, and that made sense. But as soon as he went off to punish himself (i.e. when the 2-parter ended) she just...stopped doing that, and instead focused on getting some girl through a violin audition. Though mainly a problem of the 1986 side, it pops up in 2008 as well. So like, in episode 16 Wataru finds out Dai-chan is a Fangire. There's some big distracting battle and in the next episode Wataru is depressed about that. But it's like...he's treating Rook being out there as some abstract issue in the past. It's like "that was a problem, but since that two-parter is already done there's nothing left to do." And it's not just monsters getting away that bugs me about the structure of the show, but like. All this little character stuff. Slights are made and then forgotten, mistakes and questionable moves, injuries, characterization stuff...just, seems to happen but is later left unaddressed, from two-parter to two-parter. IXA was supposed to hurt the user but that only mattered for like, two episodes or something. Probably the most egregious thing is what I commented on my previous post. Nago was losing his shit, completely and absolutely, throughout the two episode span of him chasing Sakaguchi('s button) around. At the end of it we definitely see him at his lowest point, just totally obsessed with getting the button and not even bothering to care about anything else--not even actually beating the Fangire. He had gone completely mad. It was interesting. But as soon as the next story rolled around, Nago wasn't just back to normal. If anything, he was better than ever, more cooperative not only with Megumi but even Kiva, and he didn't even try to punch Kengo for mentioning rock so much. This whole thing...it's sloppy. It's distracting. It's inconsistent. It's not good. That being said, I'm still enjoying the show, mostly. Even as I grow more weary of the story structure, I'm growing to like the characters more. I like these jerks, for the most part. Treatment of the female characters thus far is...questionable, though. So I dunno. I'll...see how it goes. Last edited by barnstenchfartface; 01-01-2017 at 06:07 PM.. |
01-01-2017, 05:56 PM | #14003 |
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Yeah, there's a reason why a lot of longtime viewers were feeling two-episode arc fatigue by the time Wizard rolled around.
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01-01-2017, 06:23 PM | #14004 |
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Ex-Aid episode 2 and 3: Well, watching this show weekly fell apart after week one, so now's the perfect time to catch up. Don't expect any great ramblings, just basic thoughts and things I notice:
There sure are a lot of jackass riders in this show, aren't there. I'm guessing they'll get better, but considering "Secondary rider who doesn't like the hero because they're too idealistic, but grows to respect them' feels kinda done by now. Hey, Snipe can magically change locations with his belt. That must be the Toei filming part of Bang-Bang Shooting So, if they're Game-o-meter runs out, they die? Gee, I'm sure that'll never come up again. Favourite rider is still Genm. Maybe it has something to do with him kicking Spectre and Necrom's butts back in Ghost, and now blue Knight in this one, but I like him. And his colour scheme is cool.
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01-01-2017, 06:32 PM | #14005 |
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Ex-Aid episode 2 and 3: Well, watching this show weekly fell apart after week one, so now's the perfect time to catch up. Don't expect any great ramblings, just basic thoughts and things I notice:
There sure are a lot of jackass riders in this show, aren't there. I'm guessing they'll get better, but considering "Secondary rider who doesn't like the hero because they're too idealistic, but grows to respect them' feels kinda done by now. Hey, Snipe can magically change locations with his belt. That must be the Toei filming part of Bang-Bang Shooting So, if they're Game-o-meter runs out, they die? Gee, I'm sure that'll never come up again. Favourite rider is still Genm. Maybe it has something to do with him kicking Spectre and Necrom's butts back in Ghost, and now blue Knight in this one, but I like him. And his colour scheme is cool.
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01-01-2017, 08:04 PM | #14006 |
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A) The 80's segments are far more interesting, despite never actually accomplishing anything because, what would the 00's characters do, I guess? B) For a show somewhat about music, the music is terrible and, worse still, relentlessly repetitive. The "rock" arc was particularly awful (though I like Japanese Corey Feldman). Add to that the fact that some actors didn't even bother to emulate the music being played on their instruments, for whatever reason, and UGH. Fucking painful. C) The actresses in this season are great and presented as badasses, it's frustrating to see them always get their asses kicked. But I love A) The designs, the whole bizarro Castle Doran thing whatever the hell that is, the monsters as weapons. B) Watatru running. It's hilarious. Clearly, the dude was not big on being anything besides beautiful. C) The 80's arc is great.
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01-01-2017, 08:29 PM | #14007 |
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I could not possibly disagree more with this. Kiva has one of the best soundtracks in Rider as far as I'm concerned.
Also I know Wataru and Otoya's actors both learned to play violin for the show, so they got that much right (though this is likely also why the allegedly gifted Otoya only seems to know one song).
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01-01-2017, 08:52 PM | #14008 |
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Yeah, I can't agree there either. The music to Kiva is amazing and Break the Chain is one of my top favorite openings, if not my top (it keeps switching with Blade Brave).
And the violin music is incredible. I'm always saddened that they never get to play the full tune except for like once because the second half of the music is pheneomenal. |
01-01-2017, 11:31 PM | #14009 |
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Oh, Jesus, here we go...
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Kiva has one of the best soundtracks in Rider as far as I'm concerned.
Also I know Wataru and Otoya's actors both learned to play violin for the show, so they got that much right (though this is likely also why the allegedly gifted Otoya only seems to know one song). Quote:
Yeah, I can't agree there either. The music to Kiva is amazing and Break the Chain is one of my top favorite openings, if not my top (it keeps switching with Blade Brave).
And the violin music is incredible. I'm always saddened that they never get to play the full tune except for like once because the second half of the music is pheneomenal. You know, it's probably because I'm a musician that it drives me up the wall. I just find it weird that music plays such a big part in the story, yet Toei would only pony up for two pieces to be used in show. I did like Kenga Feldman rocking out with no amp during a battle (playing that same fucking song, natch). Kiva is wonderfully stupid.
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01-01-2017, 11:56 PM | #14010 |
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I'm guessing you don't play and therefore can't tell what is and is not correct.
Yeah, it would've been real nice for the show to put more effort into its musical bits, but I guess knowing how cheaply and efficiently Toei like to make these shows (that air basically every week of the year without a break), I didn't really expect much out of it. Just to be clear, I totally get your frustration.
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