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07-22-2021, 09:54 AM | #381 |
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I've seen people say that because of Vice's VA that they're boycotting by not watching Revice or purchasing any items from it, but that's...not going to change anything at all. For multiple reasons.
Japan's more lax over this idiocy than places in the West. On-top of that, with how overboard Western fandoms and group get when it comes to instilling their own views and expectations onto JP professionals and groups when they're, yes I know, two different cultures has reached a point where most JP companies, creators, groups, etc. aren't gonna listen anyway. Why would you when all it does it blow things into cancel culture controversy? Even if something like this should be addressed. Secondly, western fans boycotting anything will literally have no effect on anything. If you don't watch, you're not effecting anything. We have to torrent and pirate these shows to watch them as they air, it's not like Toei gets revenue from that. As for not buying products, we don't even make up that much of a sales percentage as JP consumers do. And even then, not buying anything only ends up damaging the success of the franchise internationally anyway. So there's no winner there. I'm watching Revice for the characters, not the voice behind one of them. The best I can hope for is that Toei actually takes what backlash they do end up seeing to heart and swaps out VOs at some point. Easier than recasting an on-screen actor at least.
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07-22-2021, 09:55 AM | #382 |
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07-22-2021, 10:16 AM | #383 |
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I've seen people say that because of Vice's VA that they're boycotting by not watching Revice or purchasing any items from it, but that's...not going to change anything at all. For multiple reasons.
Japan's more lax over this idiocy than places in the West. On-top of that, with how overboard Western fandoms and group get when it comes to instilling their own views and expectations onto JP professionals and groups when they're, yes I know, two different cultures has reached a point where most JP companies, creators, groups, etc. aren't gonna listen anyway. Why would you when all it does it blow things into cancel culture controversy? Even if something like this should be addressed. Secondly, western fans boycotting anything will literally have no effect on anything. If you don't watch, you're not effecting anything. We have to torrent and pirate these shows to watch them as they air, it's not like Toei gets revenue from that. As for not buying products, we don't even make up that much of a sales percentage as JP consumers do. And even then, not buying anything only ends up damaging the success of the franchise internationally anyway. So there's no winner there. I'm watching Revice for the characters, not the voice behind one of them. The best I can hope for is that Toei actually takes what backlash they do end up seeing to heart and swaps out VOs at some point. Easier than recasting an on-screen actor at least. Though I'm legit wondering where Japan draws the line for this serious cases. I still have in mind Tsunenori Aoki case (Sengoku Ryoma in Gaim, Aguri in GARO) when he assaulted a woman while being drunk (actually. twice...) and it resulted in his career going down to near extinction in an instant. Not saying he doesn't deserve it. But where do they draw the line. EDIT : unrelated to Toku, but same kind of event. Today an Olympic Games official (Kobayashi Kentaro) in japan was fired for a joke about the holocaust. and he made that joke in 1998. Japan isn't really consistent I guess. Last edited by Omnikaiser; 07-22-2021 at 10:27 AM.. |
07-22-2021, 10:58 AM | #384 |
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Just kind of a general response but in my mind the issue with the "they don't care about your support" argument I've seen a lot online today is that they're trying to make Rider more of an international brand (they've pretty much said it outright at this point https://variety.com/2021/film/global...235009716/amp/ ), with multiple official subs coming out or being announced especially to commemorate the 50th anniversary
Part of me was expecting Revice to finally be the first show to get a simul-sub, but now if that happens it's possible it will underperform in the west due to the casting and may give toei the impression Rider can't pull in big numbers in the west In the case of either an official online sub or official dvd/bluray release It also puts people in the awkward situation of having to decide if it's worth giving money to Subaru Kimura as a side effect of paying for the show to show toei they support the franchise, or to not support it because they don't want to support Subaru Kimura but subsequently risk toei thinking the franchise is doing badly with western fans Obviously all of that is theoretical, but it seems increasingly likely that toei's goal is to keep subbing Rider, and it feels like such a shame that a casting decision might hurt the odds of Rider succeeding here Like I said before tho I don't want to give the impression that I'd judge anyone for watching the show, but this is a very messy situation for toei if they really are trying to expand into western markets, this feels like potentially a huge misstep, I would have reservations about watching any official release of the show and I know others who feel the same way, and I'm currently not intending to buy any of the toys or merch, but again I'm not trying to speak for everyone, obviously everyone can make their own decisions with their money and actions Overall I guess what I'd like to see most is some sort of acknowledgment from the actor or from toei, for me personally I'd certainly like to see them swap the VO, but the odds of that seem pretty doubtful More specifically someone was asking earlier when this happened, I think it was like 3 years ago? I don't remember the exact timeline I think that's about all I have left to say about the subject? I mostly just wanted to vent my theory that this show could be simul subbed, and how this would affect this, and how in this scenario backlash western fans could affect the perceived success of the franchise in the west _______________ Oh also, Added one Last edited by TheJaz; 07-22-2021 at 11:11 AM.. |
07-22-2021, 10:59 AM | #385 |
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Interesting that the known cast so far is having 2 member of the main protag's family that are not "old people" like an uncle/aunt or a grandpa. Igarashi Daiji and Igarashi Sakura. So I guess brother and sister of the protag.
funny enough their last name "Igarashi" is made with the kanjis for five, ten (okay I get it) and storm. Ikki (protag) is made with "one" and "brilliance" Daiji is made with "big" and "two" and Sakura is obviously the flower. I wonder if Daiji having 2 in his name is actually a sign of him being our second rider. There is 2 other character announced. George Karizaki and someone named Olteka/Orteka that sounds like a vilain general name. |
07-22-2021, 11:00 AM | #386 |
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100% agree with your post.
Though I'm legit wondering where Japan draws the line for this serious cases. I still have in mind Tsunenori Aoki case (Sengoku Ryoma in Gaim, Aguri in GARO) when he assaulted a woman while being drunk (actually. twice...) and it resulted in his career going down to near extinction in an instant. Not saying he doesn't deserve it. But where do they draw the line. EDIT : unrelated to Toku, but same kind of event. Today an Olympic Games official (Kobayashi Kentaro) in japan was fired for a joke about the holocaust. and he made that joke in 1998. Japan isn't really consistent I guess. Last edited by TheJaz; 07-22-2021 at 11:12 AM.. |
07-22-2021, 11:08 AM | #387 |
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100% agree with your post.
Though I'm legit wondering where Japan draws the line for this serious cases. I still have in mind Tsunenori Aoki case (Sengoku Ryoma in Gaim, Aguri in GARO) when he assaulted a woman while being drunk (actually. twice...) and it resulted in his career going down to near extinction in an instant. Not saying he doesn't deserve it. But where do they draw the line. EDIT : unrelated to Toku, but same kind of event. Today an Olympic Games official (Kobayashi Kentaro) in japan was fired for a joke about the holocaust. and he made that joke in 1998. Japan isn't really consistent I guess. I understand that many people in Japan haven't quite caught up with race politics elsewhere, as evidenced by the black face scene with KR Beast in Wizard, and many other occurrences in Japanese media, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't hope they catch up. ALSO Subaru Kimura is half German, spent 7 adult years in Germany, and has likely travelled abroad a bit, I get the feeling he may have heard that blackface is bad at some point before he posted it online, but maybe I'm wrong. It would help if he took responsibility but it seems he hasn't. EDIT: I also agree that if TOEI is trying to make KR more international (and I agree it seems they are) then they REALLY need to rethink this. Its not something western audiences will take lightly. Last edited by Grupletruge; 07-22-2021 at 11:11 AM.. |
07-22-2021, 11:12 AM | #388 |
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I didn’t know who that guy was...and now that I know I still don’t care.
I will try Revice but for the few things we know, I probably won’t like it, making it the second year I’ll skip a Rider in 10 years now... |
07-22-2021, 11:19 AM | #389 |
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I'm willing to give it a peek purely based on a new-to-the-industry writer. Could be a dog's breakfast, of course, but it's definitely not "this person wrote Ghost and that turned out super-well so let's hire them again." |
07-22-2021, 11:23 AM | #390 |
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Revice better be good.
Would Vice give you "Ankh vibes" by Seiza Blaster's voice? |
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