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05-17-2021, 04:20 AM | #81 |
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Indigo', don't bother, sometimes it's best to ignore when people are trying to provoke a heated argument >.>
I still have something to say about this though ( don't have I a lot of stuff to say?) Perhaps Toku is huge in Japan, but as a company, if I see that I can get customers outside of it...I would just try to get those...Money is money. The only thing I wouldn't do is trying to catter to the Americ...western audience. Not like what they're doing with Animes... |
05-17-2021, 05:34 AM | #82 |
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Indigo', don't bother, sometimes it's best to ignore when people are trying to provoke a heated argument >.>
I still have something to say about this though ( don't have I a lot of stuff to say?) Perhaps Toku is huge in Japan, but as a company, if I see that I can get customers outside of it...I would just try to get those...Money is money. The only thing I wouldn't do is trying to catter to the Americ...western audience. Not like what they're doing with Animes... Oh I absolutely agree, I don't like it when they make things to cater to the west, especially given the current climate. For one thing, they'll focus on "diversity and inclusion" and make character X and Y, just because. |
05-17-2021, 05:46 AM | #83 |
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It's not even a question of PC stuff.
It's more like "We are alienating our longtime fanbase in the profit of another one that in the long run won't stay" That's what happened in Video games basically, westernazing their japanese games so that it looks like some kind of crappy western game. Also, as shallow as that will sound, if I watch dramas and tokusatsus, it's not to see westerners every single time. I'm glad that westerners aren't heavily represented in Tokus BUT, as weird and contradictory as it sounds, I appreciated to hear some english, german and french in Zero-One. It was a nice touch to show that Humagears and ZAIA had an international presence. (Which is barely shown in the series) |
05-17-2021, 06:56 AM | #84 |
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Again, I'm not trying to raise your ire, but please consider this. Quote:
I'm not trying to pick on either of you, but I also wouldn't feel right in not raising this because I think there is a broader discussion about media, and about the way it has catered to a specific audience in the past, and the way that audience is behaving now. Not, of course, to defend any of these big companies, whose only real decision making process is what will make shareholders happy. Still, we make our own fun, I guess; we interpret media in our own way. Last edited by dreamcastegirl; 05-17-2021 at 07:03 AM.. |
05-17-2021, 08:19 AM | #85 |
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Indigo', don't bother, sometimes it's best to ignore when people are trying to provoke a heated argument >.>
I still have something to say about this though ( don't have I a lot of stuff to say?) Perhaps Toku is huge in Japan, but as a company, if I see that I can get customers outside of it...I would just try to get those...Money is money. The only thing I wouldn't do is trying to catter to the Americ...western audience. Not like what they're doing with Animes... |
05-17-2021, 08:29 AM | #86 |
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The irony of Kyuranger having input from Toei's western partners when it never even got picked up for a PR adaptation.
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05-17-2021, 10:08 AM | #87 |
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Without wishing to come across as confrontational, there is a danger, I feel, when people act so casually dismissive of "diversity and inclusion" of throwing people who genuinely yearn for that inclusion under the bus. The things that you love are not diminished by entertainment catering to a broader audience, the will still be there, unchanged by whatever new interpretations arise.
Again, I'm not trying to raise your ire, but please consider this. As above, sentiments like this make me worry, because it comes across as if you very much want to keep people out of what you consider to be "yours" and that makes me somewhat sad, because, well, for a start, it seems absurd for adults in the West to wish to have the final say on who is "the longterm fanbase" for a show aimed at Japanese children. I'm not trying to pick on either of you, but I also wouldn't feel right in not raising this because I think there is a broader discussion about media, and about the way it has catered to a specific audience in the past, and the way that audience is behaving now. Not, of course, to defend any of these big companies, whose only real decision making process is what will make shareholders happy. Still, we make our own fun, I guess; we interpret media in our own way. |
05-17-2021, 10:32 AM | #88 |
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I was attempting to be polite to you. As you ask, however, when you boldly rally against "diversity and inclusion" it makes it sound as if you have a far narrower worldview than I would like to credit you for.
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05-17-2021, 10:34 AM | #89 |
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dreamcastegirl, hey, you misunderstood me : longtime fans here are japanese, not us.
Caution : Ranting : But even so, I'm sorry but including some stuff just for the sake of getting a broader audience is a big no no. That's what has been done for some mangas,animes and video games, and now these things are utter trash. RE is just but a shadow of what it previously was because it tried to cater to a strictly american audience (hey, sorry...) Sonic Team has beaten to death the Sonic Franchise by incorporating useless stuff like the Original Character Do Not Steal in Forces. (DeviantArt fandom) Star Wars went full on misandry, shat on its original fanbase, and is now utter crap if it wasn't for the spin off on Disney +. Dragon Ball/Super....Tried to cater to mainly the american audience in terms of fanservice, is void of any substance there could be... The original Nier sold greatly in Japan but Square Enix America told the Japanese branch that Replicant wouldn't work in the west because the hero was a brother wanting to save his sister. The original American Nier sold poorly and we are now, 11 years later with the Replicant version, THE OG, and it's outsolding the American Nier. And you know what SQEXUSA said to Japan? " Oh well sorry, the american audience prefers the brother instead of the father in the end, we fucked up you should have gone with your original vision" Why are people trying to fix what's not broken? If your formula worked for some westerners and your main fandom AKA Japan, then WHY the hell do you want to take cues from the USA?! Also...Really? Taking cues from the US...FOR THE REST of the world? European culture is vastly different from the american one. The african culture is also vastly different from the american one. Why do we have to have japanese stuff with silly decisions made by the US? We just want the original experience, what japanese people would experience if there was no input from foreigners. (still need the sub though >.>) And I don't think that most western tokusatsu fans want to see more americanized japanese stuff. It's like, it would never come to my mind to give my opinion about some american stuff and say "change that, it's crap". I don't like it, I don't watch it, it doesn't need to cater to me. Look, Kamen Rider Saber is its own thing, I watched 3 to 5 episodes, it didn't click to me, you never see me talk about it nor give my opinion on it. I'm just like "Ho well, it isn't for me, move on" When it comes to making things readily available, I'm ok with the US or any westerner taking part in the plan, but straight up telling Toei or the japanese to change their way they view things is just....errrr... just clean in front of your door before telling to others to clean theirs. I really don't understand that mindset. (And as most can tell...yeah I'm pissed off >.> so sorry if I hurted anyone.) Last edited by Yarlick; 05-17-2021 at 10:42 AM.. |
05-17-2021, 10:42 AM | #90 |
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