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05-19-2022, 04:31 PM | #1151 |
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Special Time, On Stage!
-Ah, this is the first KR stageshow I've ever watched, I think? I rewatched it a bit just to drink in the techinical/visual aspects, it seems like it'd be really fun to watch live? -Overlady Tsukuyomi and Red Woz is a super fun gag to me. If Geiz and Sougo had their own Wozes, no reason why Tsukuyomi can't either? (Tsukuyomi's embrassed reactions to that post-brainwashing is also very fun!) -If you wanna get real techinical about, the Heisei Era offically began in 1989, so Black RX and the 90's movie trio are Showa's Heisei Riders, if you think about it? -I'm finishing up Amazons S1 right now, so Jin literally popping out of nowhere to threaten this (presumed) crowd of kids to yell harder or he'll kill them is certainly something else. -It's a nice little special, and that's it really. Not partiuclarly trying to do anything for themes or follow up on anything in a meaningful way, just another excuse to see these guys and these suits in action again, on the stage this time! I have no reference for what Final Stages typically are like, so this was a pretty fun romp for me. -The bit near the end, where the actors are like, half-in character, it's very cute! These actors are a real fun bunch, yknow? Woz's actor getting carried away with lipsynicing to Over Quartzer was a nice bit. -Next time, my favorite piece of Zi-O media! |
05-19-2022, 04:38 PM | #1152 |
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(Also! Like I mentioned a few times in the post, Build Final Stage! It's outstanding!)
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05-19-2022, 04:56 PM | #1153 |
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This was my first Rider stage show, and my gripes about Hiryu's' wasted potential aside, I had alot of fun with it. S'all I need, really.
Better than Over Quartzer if nothing else.
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05-19-2022, 04:59 PM | #1154 |
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So yeah the reason I mentioned watching Over Quartzer and Final Stage together at the end was because, well, those two make up an alternate timeline as they specifically state in the Final Stage.
Anyway this was fun and this made me basically crown Hiryu as Zi-O's best villain purely because he ended up not learning from his defeats and just pushing it as an era problem and becoming a Showa Boomer. It's so ridiculous that I end up loving it? That being said I think my favorite part was at the very end where Woz is explaining the difference between My Overlord and My King and how it rolls off the tongue better. Not my absolute favorite Final Stage, but a pretty enjoyable one tbh. I think Gaim might end up being my favorite in terms of those. But still it was a fun time. |
05-19-2022, 05:00 PM | #1155 |
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So this was the 4th stage show I watched and the 3rd Final Stage (the other three were Drive’s final stage, Ghost’s final stage and the Zangetsu Kachidoki show). Definitely a fun little thing.
One thing of note is that this is the first stageshow to release its exclusive item as an exclusive, rather than promoting a DX item to official form (Ghost Shinsengumi Damashii) or or leaving it until the CSM (Maja). So without further ado, let’s present a Ridewatch Playlist - special version. “Taking a vow of loyalty to Zi-O. The third Rider is… Woz” And I’ll use the same song I used for regular Woz, Black and White As for why Red Woz instead of say, Grey Woz? In the Middle Ages, the material black chess pieces were made of proved incredibly rare, so they started making red pieces instead. But the red pieces were low quality compared to the black ones, hence why they switched back. Last edited by Androzani84; 05-19-2022 at 05:51 PM.. |
05-19-2022, 06:45 PM | #1156 |
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(Fish Sandwich also watched Kamen Rider Zi-O - EP49)
I don't think this track was used anywhere except for the very final scene of the show? I don't know if it was specifically composed for it or not, but I definitely feel like it's pretty rare for a Rider show to pull out new background music right at the end. Because of that, this track left a pretty big impression on me, but I also just wanted to share it because I think it set such a great vibe to leave the show off on? I adore those last moments of the finale. Woz literally closing the book on Zi-O, as we leave these characters finally in charge of writing their own destiny... it was pretty much everything I could ask for from the ending to this show. (I'm pretty dang fond of Sougo's final speech to his future self, too.) I'm pretty proud of my post about it from the time, if that isn't weird to say? Like, I don't know, reading it back, there's not much I could say any differently now, and I especially think it's adorable that you can even catch the origins of what I will eventually properly coin as The Tsukuyomi Zone, a term I am still way too enamored with. And while it isn't the level of deja vu Die's post about Build's finale gave me, you can even catch some more inexplicable similarities between his discussion of the episode/series and mine, right down to bringing it all back to quoting our thoughts from the start. Kinda freaky! (Oh, and speaking of which, that old post is also part of why I put so much emphasis on Sougo's speech from the second episode and how I felt about that scene initially when Die got to it. I wanted to make it clear when we got here that me using that screencap had a sort of secret personal weight behind it. I used to think those words from Sougo meant nothing, and there I was a year later, using them to defend Zi-O's finale, because I thought they meant a whole lot. It was just like how Geiz finally called Sougo by name... maybe!) But yeah, Zi-O. I really do love it to bits, if that hasn't been made abundantly clear by now. To quote Sougo again -- what's so wrong with a bumpy road? So it stumbled out of the gate. So the endgame makes some odd decisions. So lots of other decisions they made didn't totally pan out either. ...So what? Plenty of that stuff bothered me every bit as much as it did other people, but that was all part of the journey, and in the end, it just makes Zi-O that much more precious to me. I wasn't linking all these old posts this whole time just because I could; every bit I wrote about Zi-O was another step in that relationship I built with the series, and I wanted to try and communicate that. The toku shows I end up loving most are rarely if ever the ones I love at first sight. Zi-O had loads of glaring flaws, and it's precisely because I learned with time to love the show *for* those flaws, as much as I did for its qualities, that I can say in the truest sense, that I love Zi-O. There have been Rider shows I became instantly enamored with for their "perfection", and that's ended in heartbreak before. But when one comes along that I can accept in its entirety -- good and evil; light and dark -- that's a show I'll always want to keep with me in the future. ... I rather enjoyed that Final Stage when I got around to watching it last year, by the way. You can only imagine the triumphantly excited OOOOHH~ I uttered when I became aware it was about Over Quartzer, Hiryuu, and Showa. Those are three of my favorite things! The only way it could've been better is if Jean made an appearance, so we could finally do that belated Kuuga arc! Also, someone please remember to tell Die if that Special Event ever gets subbed. I watched that recently after being made aware of its existence through this thread, and I thought it was more fun and clever than the Final Stage proper. Lots of good silly antics wrapped around a tale focused on Sougo's existential angst after graduating school, showing a surprisingly strong grasp on how Zi-O's storytelling works at its best.
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05-19-2022, 07:37 PM | #1157 |
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And while it isn't the level of deja vu Die's post about Build's finale gave me, you can even catch some more inexplicable similarities between his discussion of the episode/series and mine, right down to bringing it all back to quoting our thoughts from the start. Kinda freaky!
And, yeah, this was a good show. I'm an all-day sucker for these shows, they got my number, so there was almost no timeline where I ended this season unhappy. There's always going to be dumb plots or frustrating character development or abandoned premises, but I like watching Kamen Rider. I don't ever end up caring about those flaws, even if they drive me insane as I watch them. It's... it's like Sougo talks about in the (very dopey) Final Stage show: do you want to hold onto resentment and disappointment from your past? Or do you want to find some happiness in the present? All I ever remember from these shows are the good times, where even the bad times get recast as so-bad-it's-good times. Swartz'z boneheaded plot is as delightful to me now as any scene of Sougo getting a Rider's catchphrase wrong. (The only thing I miss from the Armor Time era of the show was that bit. It's a good bit!) Why hold onto bitterness, when happiness is within your grasp? Quote:
Also, someone please remember to tell Die if that Special Event ever gets subbed. I watched that recently after being made aware of its existence through this thread, and I thought it was more fun and clever than the Final Stage proper. Lots of good silly antics wrapped around a tale focused on Sougo's existential angst after graduating school, showing a surprisingly strong grasp on how Zi-O's storytelling works at its best.
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05-21-2022, 08:57 PM | #1158 |
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KAMEN RIDER ZI-O NEXT TIME: GEIZ, MAJESTY
Wow. Total home run. It’s funny to think that we never really got Geiz’z But Why Heroism moment in the entire year he was on Zi-O. There’re a few explorations of Geiz’z turn from Grim Executioner to Devoted Friend, but we never really delved into his motivations outside of the Marry/F**k/Kill options of his relationship with Sougo. We never knew what Geiz wanted beyond Saving The Future, you know? With the future more-or-less saved – or at least the imminent Time Apocalypse forestalled – we’ve got a little bit of space to get into Geiz’z larger worldview, and this movie does an exceptional job of both coloring in Geiz’z hopes and dreams as his own character, and giving us the Team Zi-O camaraderie/nonsense we’ve fallen in love with. It’s the absolute perfect balance of warm nostalgia and forward-thinking character development. It’s literally the best possible continuation of Kamen Rider Zi-O. Mostly because it’s just the first two episodes of Zi-O, but Starring Geiz. Which… I mean, I grew to love Sougo, but I will always feel like the first couple stories in this show would’ve been immeasurably improved if they’d been from Geiz’z perspective. He was the guy with the most legible motivation in the early cast, since Killing Time Hitler is an easy sell, even in a kids’ show. Sougo’s vague desire to be a king, coupled with his naivete surrounding his role in a future genocide, took a few stories to really come into focus. But Geiz’z steely determination and grumpy reluctance to treat Sougo as anything other than a future chalk outline, that had a clarity that an early premise requires. So setting our first post-finale story around (a) Woz showing up to present Geiz with a Ridewatch and Driver, while mysterious assassins from the future attempt to close off a timeline he doesn’t even want? That’s good! That works! It works because it’s way more fun, and I guess we can thank the King of Time version of Sougo for that. About half of this movie features the best-ever versions of our cast – a bunch of lunatic high-schoolers – and it’s enormously entertaining. I literally didn’t care if any superheroes ever showed up. The easy comedy of our cast isn’t dimmed by impending doom; it somehow flourishes beneath its weight. I would happily watch another season of Zi-O with this version of the cast. SWARTZ AS A TERRIFYING HIGH SCHOOL PRINCIPAL! That is in the Top 10 of Kamen Rider ideas for all-time. I can’t believe how much better every single character is in this thing. And it’s all still the characters we knew, despite the new reality. Geiz is still a kid who’ll readily accept failure as his birthright, even as he never gives up. There’s no sense of the universe owing him anything other than what he can win, which is both refreshing and sort of aggravating. It’s the same old Geiz thing of focusing on situations as Victory or Defeat, instead of as Helpful or Unhelpful. Outside the context of a grim executioner from the Misery Fields of 2068, we get to see that he’s kind of just as focused as he ever was, to the exclusion of a wider sense of self. He’s dedicated to being a judo champion, but he’s completely forgotten why he ever wanted to do it in the first place. The lesson he learns here is to think about what you’re doing, but to care about why you’re doing it. Being the best at judo originally mattered to Geiz because he wanted to protect people; he’d let that get buried under years of competition, but it was always inside of him, waiting to be unearthed. That’s the lesson of a lot of Secondaries, you know? The title hero usually has an easier path to heroism; a resolve that marks them as deserving of power. Secondaries usually come at it from a different angle. They’re darker, more conflicted versions of the title character. Their path is one of self-discovery, or even self-acceptance. They have a chip on their shoulder, or a fatalism masquerading as pragmatism, and the arc of their character is to see outside of their grudge/vendetta/selfishness/Kusaka and understand the point of view of the hero. They become the best versions of themselves (well: Kusaka) by their proximity to another hero, and start to see themselves as heroes as well. So, yeah, I loved all of the cameos? After crabbing about Accel not showing up for any of the various tributes, look who offers good advice while sternly rebuking questions from teenagers sent specifically to ask him questions: It’s Terui! And AKIRA DATE, the best Birth! And KUSAKA, who I guess just heard me getting a shot off on him! And KAITO! And they’re all here to let Geiz know that it’s okay to have your destiny altered, which is (Kaito aside) the fate of all Secondaries. All these guys reminiscing about how horrible they were, before they learned to use their power for something other than their own emotional shortcomings or selfish goals. To see Geiz in the same type of lineage as Sougo did in Zi-O… pretty great use of all these guys? (One of my earliest favorite moments in Zi-O was Brave sort of ignoring Sougo to try and get Geiz to see past his anger and do something heroic, so this story for Geiz is a very long time coming.) Tightly-written movie, too. Every time something weird would come up, like Hat Woz still existing, there’d be a line of dialogue a little later explaining it. All the characters are in the story for a reason, and contribute something to the plot. Despite the large roster, there’s never a sense of this not being Geiz’z story, front to back. This is his time to become the hero, and he’s bringing all his friends (and Woz) along for the ride. And, man, what a ride. I’m a little bummed that there aren’t twenty more of these. It was smart, funny, thrilling, and poignant. It honored twenty years of Secondaries (and Garren). It fleshed-out Geiz’z character, filling in the blanks left after a year of being in someone else’s shadow. It moved the focus, expanded the scope, and zoomed in on the details. It was majestic. NEW TIMELINE, WHO DIS? Back for a final anniversary commentary, it’s Androzani84, DreamSword, Name, and ZeroEnchiladas! The five of us grappled with this movie, judo-like, using nearly Geiz-levels of skill and power, and I think it went well. There were very few injuries! Please enjoy our goofy asides and off-the-cuff analysis, as we close out the Heisei era of Kamen Rider. Thanks for listening! And keep detonating monsters!
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05-21-2022, 09:13 PM | #1159 |
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One of my favourite V-Cins and probably one of the best -- and that 'one of' qualifier is only there because of the surprising competition it received later; otherwise I'd say this is easily the best yet! I love the sheer dedication to the new timeline; I don't wanna be that person who has to drag another thing down to bring another up, but where Build's V-Cins frustrated me for undoing so much of the good ending the series had sought for a vague sense of a new status quo; this one was deadset on delivering on the world you see at the end of Zi-O. It's almost surprising, in fact, because that ending isn't exactly one you expect to see fully fleshed out; and yet here it is, as you say, portraying perhaps the best versions of these characters. I recently went back and rewatched it because I was rewatching all of OOO's content, and I was happy to see how much it still held up for me. Just an awesome, solid, down-to-earth movie that's an absolute treat for Zi-O fans
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05-21-2022, 09:20 PM | #1160 |
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One of my favourite V-Cins and probably one of the best -- and that 'one of' qualifier is only there because of the surprising competition it received later; otherwise I'd say this is easily the best yet! I love the sheer dedication to the new timeline; I don't wanna be that person who has to drag another thing down to bring another up, but where Build's V-Cins frustrated me for undoing so much of the good ending the series had sought for a vague sense of a new status quo; this one was deadset on delivering on the world you see at the end of Zi-O. It's almost surprising, in fact, because that ending isn't exactly one you expect to see fully fleshed out; and yet here it is, as you say, portraying perhaps the best versions of these characters. I recently went back and rewatched it because I was rewatching all of OOO's content, and I was happy to see how much it still held up for me. Just an awesome, solid, down-to-earth movie that's an absolute treat for Zi-O fans
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