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03-31-2022, 11:09 PM | #471 |
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As for the character himself, I like him a ton? His whole deal as being someone who wants to bring about a future where Geiz wins does make him, in the grand scheme of things, more of a 'good guy' then Zi-O. But at the same time, he's also such a jerk about it? It'll show more later on I think, but he is not a nice guy despite having more ultimately altruistic goals than the sweet and dopey Sougo does right now, and I find that irony so funny and compelling.
Hat Woz is totally going back to 2068 to tell everyone that he and Geiz are besties, is what I'm getting at.
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So, fun fact: Originally they planned for there to be multiple different versions of Woz praising different characters (a Red Woz for Tsukuyomi, a Grey Woz for himself), but for reasons that “you are not supposed to know about”, it was scrapped (plus having one actor playing at least 4 characters might get confusing). Though as for why I know about those specific examples… well, you’ll see.
As for the two parter, the most I remember is Sougo actually going for the Sentai tradition of calling attacks with separate names to what’s being announced. Next time: True or false: It’s against the law to sell ice cream on Sundays in Oregon, USA? |
04-01-2022, 09:05 AM | #473 |
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So, fun fact: Originally they planned for there to be multiple different versions of Woz praising different characters (a Red Woz for Tsukuyomi, a Grey Woz for himself), but for reasons that ?you are not supposed to know about?, it was scrapped (plus having one actor playing at least 4 characters might get confusing). Though as for why I know about those specific examples? well, you?ll see.
As for the two parter, the most I remember is Sougo actually going for the Sentai tradition of calling attacks with separate names to what?s being announced. Next time: True or false: It?s against the law to sell ice cream on Sundays in Oregon, USA? |
04-01-2022, 09:49 AM | #474 |
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Sh Ranger also also watched Kamen Rider Zi-O Episode 17 & 18
WARNING: The above link contains spoilers. Don't read until after Day of Oma! I sure hope Fish doesn't mind me borrowing his format here. But I thought it would be a real shame not to share my review of this arc that I did a few months ago. Rentarou's murder spree here isn't even the worst example. Quote:
I think it's more than that? Episodes 15 and 16 really expose how much Geiz has grown to respect Sougo, and how much he values their incredibly weird dynamic. Geiz in the beginning of 15 is basically begging Sougo to lay down his Driver; not just because Geiz is desperate to prevent an apocalypse, but because he doesn't want to hurt Sougo to prevent an apocalypse. Geiz gets extra grim when he thinks Sougo's fate is sealed, and he gets all down on himself for Actually Coming Here To Make Friends. And he's so quick to find a reason not to leave 2018! No matter how flimsy!
I definitely don't think Geiz would call Sougo his friend -- I mean, he won't even call him Sougo -- but they're totally friends by the end of 16. Regarding Geiz's insistence on referring to Sougo only by his Rider name, Alain did the same thing with his perfect best friend Specter, despite having a poor understanding of the concept of friendship. Also, Sougo's the only one in Team Zi-O with more than one name, so you could say Geiz is just being consistent. ZX! Hattari! Quote:
Speaking of the Que-Bon! Ryusoulger dance, Ryusoulger is one of my favorite Sentai, and the trend where people would do that dance was really fun, seeing the Zi-O cast (Woz carrying his book at all times and practically giving up is hilarious), Ryusoulger Villains, Lupinranger and Patrangers, and of course, Shinobi himself, is really fun. (I also admit, I too danced the Ryusoulger after beating Cuphead, but that's another story.)
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Worse, if it seems like things are taking too long, he can just force the outcome he wants. Woz always came off as someone who was willing to contrive an environment for someone to make the decision he wanted. Hat Woz just straight-up forces confrontations until he gets his prize. It?s villainy, but the fun part is in how little it?s different from Woz?z normal schtick. What do you think of Kamen Rider Woz's Futuring Time gimmick? X
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04-01-2022, 09:55 AM | #475 |
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04-01-2022, 10:51 AM | #476 |
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So, fun fact: Originally they planned for there to be multiple different versions of Woz praising different characters (a Red Woz for Tsukuyomi, a Grey Woz for himself), but for reasons that ?you are not supposed to know about?, it was scrapped (plus having one actor playing at least 4 characters might get confusing). Though as for why I know about those specific examples? well, you?ll see.
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04-01-2022, 11:48 AM | #477 |
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So, fun fact: Originally they planned for there to be multiple different versions of Woz praising different characters (a Red Woz for Tsukuyomi, a Grey Woz for himself), but for reasons that ?you are not supposed to know about?, it was scrapped (plus having one actor playing at least 4 characters might get confusing). Though as for why I know about those specific examples? well, you?ll see.
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I think Geiz sees Sougo as more of an ally of circumstance, than someone he's hanging out with cause he wants to. Or at least that's the story he's sticking with. He doesn't want to get too close to Sougo in case he has to actually kill him. This conflict with the two timelines will either make them or break them.
I'm not sure I know what that is!
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04-01-2022, 12:36 PM | #478 |
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He stops wearing that hat, I stop calling him Hat Woz. Until then, the name stands!
He's uncomfortable being celebrated as a hero, but defeating Oma Zi-O and saving the future is 100% his dream. It's basically his main character trait, outside of remembering to buy chicken for dinner. Geiz doesn't see himself as a hero, so a dude he has some unexplained beef with, showing up and IWAEing him in the middle of fight? Yeah, probably going to make him uncomfortable! Ironically no offense, but you saying that Geiz still had his dream of defeating Ohma Zi-O is quite overlooking the Sougo/Geiz friendship now and their changes. Geiz wants to save the future, originially yeah by killing Sougo due to him still viewing him as the tyrannical dictator regardless of current Sougo self, but now with him having a faith in Sougo he'd want to save the future without defeating Ohma Zi-O, he'd want to prevent Ohma Zi-O from being born without killing Sougo. For the not seeing himself as a hero, Geiz actually is self-righteous, with him having the mentality of seeing others as 'doing what's right' or 'an evil that must be destroyed'. Probably not seeing himself as hero, but he sees himself as someone who'd never be in the wrong. Quote:
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Shinobi?s a guy who can?t wait to be a better version of himself, so he risks becoming a monster today. He doesn?t have faith in his ability to reach his potential, so he resigns himself to someone else?s strategy. He?s too focused on his present, and what that lacks: power, mostly, but also a sense of purpose. He could work hard to become the best version of himself, but what if that never happens? What if this is as good as he gets? Why not take the Time Jackers up on their offer to make him so unbeatable that it doesn?t matter if he?s terrifying the very people he hoped to inspire? It?s a problem that Sougo can empathize with. Sougo?s someone who looked at his future as too bleak to move towards. But Geiz helped him realize that the future is what we make of it. If you surrender to fear and anger, yeah, future?s gonna be a pretty dark place. But if you work to achieve your goals, and stay a good person, maybe the future can be what you?d dreamed. Sougo?s fighting as Kamen Rider Zi-O to give people like Shinobi the chance to meet better versions of themselves in the future. He wants them to see that their choices are theirs to make, and that nothing?s set in stone. Though it's easier here to pick on Rentaro risking to become a monster or resigns himself here as the consequence of Another Shinobi had happened, but is it technically similar for some other heroes? Especially the ones who are normal humans without their power source, they are given powers through other sources either by others giving them the belt or finding the belt itself for Kamen Riders. Rentaro doesn't surrender to fear and anger (well probably there's a bit of fear), he's actually similar to Makimura from Ghost 2 parter before of actually the Another Rider who refuses the temptation from Time Jackers (the very thing that made White Woz get his Shinobi Ridewatch), only that their resistance is still futile. For this case, Rentaro is given power by an irredeemable villain in Swartz, thus it'd be playing into his schemes, but as Kamen Rider are commonly about heroes using powers from evil for good, it had happened to main characters too like Kenzaki getting his belt from BOARD (who is orchestrated by Tennoji), or for my previous mentions, Kouta being "helped" by Sagara but it's him manipulating Kouta for his own ends. Of which those can be seen as fools for letting themselves being pawns for the villains (albeit they're are aware and accepted the pawn status to make use of their power to fight for justice). Only difference is that Another Rider doesn't only gave them the Rider strength, but they also transform the subject into a destructive, evil creature obsessed with a twisted version of their original desires. So it's like them being brainwashed, not acting out of free will, albeit so far the only Another Riders which are good people are Rentarou and Makimura (others would gladly comply to doing the destructive things the Another Rider turned them out be). Personally between Rentaro and other heroes (though he does need Sougo's pep talk), the mere difference here is the devices the manipulators use on the heroes. Devices like what belt BOARD gave to its members or Woz gave to Sougo doesn't change their self, they act fully on their own as the Riders. But Rentaro acted against his will, the Another Rider corrupting the users (like OOO PuToTyra's side effect). Quote:
So it makes sense to have Hat Woz as the villain of the piece. He?s like Woz, naturally. He?s someone who sees people as completed stories; their arcs a single-sentence description. Shinobi?s trying to make his own mind up, while Hat Woz is waiting for the inevitable to finally occur, so he can move on from this chapter. It?s Shinobi?s moral conflict running up against someone who knows how every struggle will resolve.
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Nah, I wouldn't call them actual friends yet. Maybe Sougo would, but Geiz sure as hell ain't going to admit that. As far as he's concerned, there's a possibility he still needs to murder Sougo at some point. What they have is an understanding. Geiz accepts that Sougo is going to try and become king no matter what and Sougo accepts that Geiz is going to try and kill him if he follows the path of the evil Oma Zi-O.
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04-01-2022, 01:03 PM | #479 |
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Ironically no offense, but you saying that Geiz still had his dream of defeating Ohma Zi-O is quite overlooking the Sougo/Geiz friendship now and their changes. Geiz wants to save the future, originially yeah by killing Sougo due to him still viewing him as the tyrannical dictator regardless of current Sougo self, but now with him having a faith in Sougo he'd want to save the future without defeating Ohma Zi-O, he'd want to prevent Ohma Zi-O from being born without killing Sougo.
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For the not seeing himself as a hero, Geiz actually is self-righteous, with him having the mentality of seeing others as 'doing what's right' or 'an evil that must be destroyed'. Probably not seeing himself as hero, but he sees himself as someone who'd never be in the wrong.
Like, his whole weird dynamic with Sougo speaks to a kid who wants to portray immovable righteousness, but is psychologically adrift. I don't think he sees what he's doing as the only logical course of action?
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04-01-2022, 02:35 PM | #480 |
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I don't believe I mentioned this last episode, but I was not expecting the BeyonDriver to sound at all like that. Given Woz's personality, I originally expected his belt's voice to be something dignified or calm, kind of like Necrom, so you can imagine my surprise when the Driver starts shouting "WOZ! ACTION!" before blasting super-future-new-age-techno-party music.
But as many have said, this arc is more of the White Woz introductory arc, as much as I liked the idea of Shinobi. Though I did enjoy seeing Kamen Rider Woz in action, it usually does fall into the phase of the season where it kind of loses its flare for a bit (as some later seasons are wont to follow, not like they're all like that, but that's kind of how it feels sometimes). The old "New Year, New Rider" gig. Since this episode focuses on Kamen Rider Woz more than Shinobi, I'm going to talk about Woz! I really like his design, very sleek and futuristic, and more based on a digital smart-watch that Geiz is. Sure, it's because he's an alternate future Rider, but that honestly works given the state of the future Geiz hails from, and that's something I like. And his weapon is certainly an interesting one, being a spear, a scythe, and a cane, it's strangely unique seeing as how most Rider weapons tend to be something like Guns, Swords, or good old fashioned fists. The only thing I kind of wish this suit had was a coat like design like Wizard's, since both Wozs wear similar duds (I would also say scarf, but Shinobi has that base covered, and French Woz doesn't have one). |
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