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01-06-2017, 08:59 PM | #14071 |
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He writes Kiva like it's something he does on the toilet, between living a life. "Oof, that coffee really ran through me, guess I'll write an episode of Kiva while I'm at it! Haw haw! I got this toku shit in the bag!"
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01-06-2017, 10:27 PM | #14072 |
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The fact that Inoue wrote (practically) all of Kiva is one of the most surprising things I've learned about it. Like, I'm pretty sure I heard that before at some point, but seriously...the best way I can describe what Kiva feels like to me is that it's like if every story was written by a different person, one who never even saw the scripts for the episodes preceding or following theirs. And that they only have some vague knowledge of where each character and the overall plot is at any given point, and then just sort of writes things they feel the characters would do, without paying any attention to what they actually have done or will do later.
Basically, a really crappy round robin writing exercise. Except it really was just one guy? Ouch. Wow. Jeez. I'd contest the claim that there's no good ideas to be found in Inoue's writing, though. I think Kiva is full of interesting things, it's just the show manages to be bad in spite of that and just...doesn't use or execute them very well. Still, I'm just...very surprised/disappointed by Kiva. I'd heard of how it was kinda crappy, and I was hoping it'd be overblown, but it really is pretty crappy. And I'd heard that Inoue was a now sort of infamous writer, but I'd seen relatively little of his work...I know he wrote a bunch of episodes of Ryuki, and of course Agito. Both fine shows. Of course, he also wrote most of the early movies, which were hit and miss. Kiva is just on a whole 'nother level though. How he managed to go from heading Agito to Kiva is...baffling. ...Then again, I'm running my mouth off about this, but this is just my opinion based on half the show. On the flipside, it's just half the show and already it's got me this disappointed, I'm not too optimistic about the rest. |
01-06-2017, 11:04 PM | #14073 |
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Man, people are ragging on both Faiz and Kiva right now in this thread. If we can get some Ghost hate going too it'll be like Christmas is still going on for me.
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01-06-2017, 11:22 PM | #14074 |
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I kid, I kid.
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01-06-2017, 11:57 PM | #14075 |
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I haven't seen Faiz so I can't really talk about that, but I honestly think Ghost was a much better show than Kiva is at least up to this point. Like I don't think it deserves even being placed in the same category of bad.
I mean I like Kiva way more, I enjoy basically any one of its characters more than all of Ghost's cast combined, but it really is a much more competently made show. |
01-07-2017, 03:39 AM | #14076 |
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Ghost's issue wasn't so much that it was incompetently made as it was the fact that it was about as cookie cutter and forgettable a Rider show as you could get, at least to me. The story makes sense and none of the characters are outright hateable (except for Onari). The problem is that everything is done so one-note that it just doesn't resonate with me as a viewer. Even the base suit designs don't particularly standout to me. Don't get me wrong, they're technically "good" and I display the figuarts proudly next to my other Riders, but they don't really have any interesting design cues that set them apart from other Rider aesthetics, outside of the jackets really. And they're noticeably lacking in color.
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01-07-2017, 04:40 AM | #14077 |
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I like how IXA's belt is one of the few they actually have to physically put on...but still manages to always magically appear on the user's waist as long as they have the knuckle.
I mention this because the fact that they made Hand Puppet Fangire steal both the knuckle and the belt in episode 25 is just, really inconsistent in this regard. That's to say, inconsistent with the inconsistency in the fact that people have just been stealing and throwing around the knuckle because apparently it's the only part that matters. Oh Kiva. I would say I am interested in where the plot is going with Queen right now but I accidentally went to her wiki page to see if she had a silly ass name like the other Checkmate Four and instead got huge spoilers all over my face. So uh, I guess I know where it's going now. That's on me though but still...damn. And apparently she doesn't so that's a disappointment. |
01-07-2017, 06:14 AM | #14078 |
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Kiva is a show that I'm not really sure what to think about. With every other show I had a mostly solid opinion on what I liked and disliked but with Kiva, it's more like "I think I like/dislike this part of the show". I mean granted there are some things that aggrivate me. For one Kiva has by far the worst distribution of forms and power-ups out of every Kamen Rider show I've seen. Almost all of them are used once, maybe twice throughout the entire show excluding movies and specials.
Other than that though, I can't think of any parts that I think are really good or really pissed me off. It's kinda why I plan to rewatch the show at some point in the future in order to better reaffirm my opinion on it; Granted I plan to do this with every Kamen Rider show I've watched since for some my opinion has massively changed over time (specifically Gaim and Drive) |
01-07-2017, 09:15 AM | #14079 |
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In Ghost's defense though and much to the shame of both Faiz and Kiva, Ghost was written by a relatively unexperienced writer (at least when it comes to toku, not sure about any anime or drama credits), while Inoue sure had some experience and did some good stuff before Faiz and Kiva.
Some of his individual episodes in other shows were pretty good too. But since Faiz, it seems he's going kinda wild on stuff. I heard that he had more supervision/ people in his team on Agito and Jetman, so... I consider it "Inoue unleashed", basically. And he did tend to do some pretty freaky stuff on other shows (Dairanger, for example). For the guy who wrote Ghost (haven't memorized his name yet), we still have to see where his work is going from now on. |
01-07-2017, 10:08 AM | #14080 |
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Quote:
In Ghost's defense though and much to the shame of both Faiz and Kiva, Ghost was written by a relatively unexperienced writer (at least when it comes to toku, not sure about any anime or drama credits), while Inoue sure had some experience and did some good stuff before Faiz and Kiva.
Some of his individual episodes in other shows were pretty good too. But since Faiz, it seems he's going kinda wild on stuff. I heard that he had more supervision/ people in his team on Agito and Jetman, so... I consider it "Inoue unleashed", basically. And he did tend to do some pretty freaky stuff on other shows (Dairanger, for example). For the guy who wrote Ghost (haven't memorized his name yet), we still have to see where his work is going from now on. |
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