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09-01-2020, 12:33 AM | #51 |
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I actually felt that Vulcan got excellent closure. I don't really see what more you could do for him with a v-cinema.
There's a reason he goes by "Vulcan" in the final episode, rather than Fuwa Isamu. The thing is; addressing himself as Vulcan is very fitting, based off of his development. It was after he became Vulcan that he really found his identity. Isamu Fuwa's initial persona and memories were completely fabricated. Him even becoming a Kamen Rider in the first place was orchestrated. Isamu Fuwa had a purpose, but it was a complete lie. Kamen Rider Vulcan is every fiber of his being. Considering he has no memory of his former life to begin with, his family really has no place in his current life. It doesn't make sense to have him reunite with them. |
09-01-2020, 12:36 AM | #52 |
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That's the thing. Humagears are not humans. Izu death is not permanent in the same way it is for a human. In the end they are still a product/species of humanoid robots made by men to help them with tasks or jobs. The show wants you to understand you have to respect them, you can love them, they can even have a form of feelings and heart (even in the shape of a dog or that "counselling AI friend thing" which helped the cast at some point). But they are not humans. and they have a characteristic humans don't have, they can be rebuilt. The show wants you to think and understand that there is no difference (at least in-universe) between restoring Izu with the "secretary Izu" key digitally or if it's Aruto doing it "manually". The first shot we see of Aruto in the epilogue is him pressing the secretary izu key button. In-universe this makes no sense, as he probably pressed that damn button one billion times already and he knows it doesn't work anymore. The shot is just here for us to make the parallel between the key and Aruto teaching Izu again with his memories instead. It's a "If it doesn't work with the key, I'm going to do it myself" message. For us it feels weird, yes, because we live in a world of humans as the only species with such a degree of sentience and intelligence in these fields, (and Humagears are humanized/treated as 99% humans during all the show which of course can confuse us). But in-universe in zero-one that's a bit different. humagears are different because of the rebuilding thing, back-up or no, and that's what makes the situation with Izu not/less weird. At least that's how I understand it. Last edited by Omnikaiser; 09-01-2020 at 12:39 AM.. |
09-01-2020, 01:34 AM | #53 |
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What the heck is wrong with some of the people here trying to force their narrative about what happens in the US here? It’s Japan, it’s a japanese show, and it’s done first and foremost for the japanese audience, they don’t give a shit about what happened in the US. Just stop bringing your political nonsense here.
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09-01-2020, 01:43 AM | #54 |
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What the heck is wrong with some of the people here trying to force their narrative about what happens in the US here? It’s Japan, it’s a japanese show, and it’s done first and foremost for the japanese audience, they don’t give a shit about what happened in the US. Just stop bringing your political nonsense here.
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09-01-2020, 02:18 AM | #55 |
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I mean, as an American it's hard to look at the Humagear protests without being reminded of what's happening here, but yeah it's just silly to assume the writers of a Japanese show for a Japanese audience were focusing on American politics. I'm pretty sure that if the writers based the Humagear marches on any real-life movements, they would look to protests in Japan first.
That said, I just did some research and apparently there are also marches against racism happening in Japan these days too.
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09-01-2020, 02:20 AM | #56 |
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How fans of Kamen Rider of all things can be so fucking narrow-minded confuses me to no end. The very first show was about a fascist organization kidnapping people to brainwash them until one guy got out and said "No more, I'm drop-kicking all of your asses". You guys are just as ignorant as those lowlife "gamers" who think Japan is some sort of sacred miracle island that is free of "censorship" and doesn’t give a damn about what's going on in the west. Newsflash, they do. And creative media is their way of expressing what they think about it. If you believe a show dealing with race like Zero-One ending with protests and violence is not in any shape or form connected to what’s going on in the world right now, be it Hong Kong or the US, then I would be very careful to call others stupid. And stop being fucking cowards already. "We’re here to talk about toku, not politics.". The show is about goddamn politics, if you talk about the show you talk about politics. If you want to blend that out and be like "Wow cool suits", be free to do that, but don’t go around trying to pretend there are no politics in toku and people from the outside bring that in just to annoy you in your comfort zone. |
09-01-2020, 02:46 AM | #57 |
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Oh yeah sure, there's no way Japan gives a fuck and the 3500 people who marched in Tokyo were just out shopping simultaneously or something.
How fans of Kamen Rider of all things can be so fucking narrow-minded confuses me to no end. The very first show was about a fascist organization kidnapping people to brainwash them until one guy got out and said "No more, I'm drop-kicking all of your asses". You guys are just as ignorant as those lowlife "gamers" who think Japan is some sort of sacred miracle island that is free of "censorship" and doesn’t give a damn about what's going on in the west. Newsflash, they do. And creative media is their way of expressing what they think about it. If you believe a show dealing with race like Zero-One ending with protests and violence is not in any shape or form connected to what’s going on in the world right now, be it Hong Kong or the US, then I would be very careful to call others stupid. And stop being fucking cowards already. "We’re here to talk about toku, not politics.". The show is about goddamn politics, if you talk about the show you talk about politics. If you want to blend that out and be like "Wow cool suits", be free to do that, but don’t go around trying to pretend there are no politics in toku and people from the outside bring that in just to annoy you in your comfort zone. One of the bizarrest things about geek culture, to me anyway, is how people can be obsessive fans of a franchise even as all its themes and messages fly right over their heads.
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09-01-2020, 03:07 AM | #58 |
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I'm agreeing with both parties to be honest.
I don't want to elaborate coz I fuckin hate debating about that kind of stuff on a show episode but, of course the theme is resonating with what is happening right now in the world. But the way some people present it, it feels like Zero-one changed its ending because of BLM and all. bullshit. The way people present it, it feels like racism and protest about some people wanting rights didn't exist before Hong-Kong or BLM. that's kind of a "coincidence" if the show talk about it. Because that's a major theme in our society in 20th and 21st century. and Zero-One is the first KR of its era so it has such a major theme at its core to adress one of our main problem in society. But it happened only because of that. I refuse to believe writers were like "okay this is happening let's make the ending like that then" just like some people here seem to imply. |
09-01-2020, 03:33 AM | #59 |
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I think what happened here is a classic case of "sentai anniversary series syndrome" You know how every time sentai tries to make a big deal out of an aniversary series (gokaiger and ohranger are the two at the forefront of my mind), something horrendous happens and they have to throw out the original script? Thats what happened here
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09-01-2020, 03:34 AM | #60 |
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I don’t think it was planned initially, like from the very beginning, but since we now know how hastily the final were cobbled together its hard to imagine it wasn't influenced by current events.
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