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06-28-2021, 07:52 PM | #711 |
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When I first saw Kiva long long ago, not 20th century, and comparing it to his previous works, the first thing I thought was that Inoue should have moved on to telenovela shows after Agito or Faiz. Cause the drama this show has going on is just that. Inoue should seriously give up on anime and toku and just do telenovela shows. He would be the Japanese Robert Kirkman of telenovelas.
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06-28-2021, 08:06 PM | #712 |
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So my favorite part of this episode was that it felt like this is the first time in a long time that Otoya has been on the show. Blatantly untrue, of course, but ever since he and Maya started getting really hot and violin-y he just hasn't felt like himself. There's a very specific kind of manic joie de vivre that I associate with Otoya and this is the first time I feel like it's been visible in ages. The bath scene with Jiro, the confrontation with King, it all felt like Otoya was back. He even had one of his awful jackets on again. Nothing against the '08 stuff, but this was the most I've enjoyed '86 in awhile.
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When I first saw Kiva long long ago, not 20th century, and comparing it to his previous works, the first thing I thought was that Inoue should have moved on to telenovela shows after Agito or Faiz. Cause the drama this show has going on is just that. Inoue should seriously give up on anime and toku and just do telenovela shows. He would be the Japanese Robert Kirkman of telenovelas.
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06-28-2021, 10:03 PM | #713 |
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KAMEN RIDER KIVA EPISODE 42 - "THE POWER OF LOVE: THE KING'S RAGE”
There are a couple scenes I really liked in this episode that I otherwise found sort of... not great. Luckily, the two scenes are both about the same thing, so it'll be easier to talk about them! The first scene is near the opening, with Wataru's friends letting him know how proud they are of how he fought back against his depression. It's an incredibly sweet scene of Kengo, Megumi, and Nago cheerfully embracing Wataru after a few episodes of him pushing them away. It's so sweet. The best part of that scene is Wataru singling Kengo out for a personal apology. He spurned Kengo's offer to be bros, and he wants a do-over. He wants to be friends with Kengo. Cut to Kengo, eyes wet with pride, as he clasps Wataru's hands to say We're Already Friends. It's one of my favorite moments in this entire series. It's maybe the nicest, most gentle thing I've ever seen a show like this do. And it gets to a big thing for this episode that gets explicated in my other favorite scene in the episode. Otoya's been swiped by King, leaving Maya and Yuri to figure out what to do next. Well, maybe just Yuri, since Maya realizes that pursuing King and taking back Otoya is basically suicide. That leaves Yuri to beg Maya for help in saving Otoya, which stuns Maya. (For a Maya value of "stunned'', meaning her head tilt is a full 10 degrees to the side instead of the normal eight.) Why would Yuri want to save a man who's humiliated and disgraced her? And Yuri says something that, even if it feels weird coming from her, feels universal and true. Naturally, it's about love. The Kengo and Yuri scenes are about the same thing: Sometimes love is bigger than the people in love. For better or worse, the feeling of being in love can be so overpowering that logic loses its sway and all that matters is how you feel. It gains a resiliency that keeps it from being broken. Kengo was friends with Wataru when Kengo hated Wataru, just like they were friends when Wataru told Kengo they couldn't be friends. Yuri still loves Otoya, even if she's lost him to Maya. Maybe that sounds ridiculous? Maya certainly thinks so, even as she's won over by Yuri's dedication. It is a little hard to swallow, considering that Otoya has rarely risen above the level of Vague Nuisance to Yuri. But it sounds real familiar, if you've ever been in love. The idea that people in love can hurt each other and reconcile, or let each other down before swearing devotion... it's a thing! The person you love stops being just them, just their identity, and starts being The Person You Love. It all gets bigger than two people. (Or more than two people!) It has its own weight and size, Your Feelings, and it gets a vote. So, yeah, devoting a little time to Kengo and Yuri talking about how impossible it can be to turn off your feelings, even when everyone in a relationship is acting like a lunatic... that tracks! That's a neat idea to explore. That was all I ended up really liking in this episode, though? The Shima stuff... it's incredibly weird to be devoting a couple episodes right before the end-run to Shima's relationship with Taiga, or Shima's rejuvenation via Fangire magic. If this was a middling detour in the 20s, I don't know, fine. Maybe there're some laughs. Here, it just feels like the show is trying to fill up space before the story really progresses. That feeling is not helped by a series of Taiga/Wataru scenes that boil down to Taiga asking if Wataru will join the Fangires, then Taiga asking if Wataru will join the Fangires now, and then Taiga asking if Wataru will join the Fangires now. These two actors have solid chemistry (I love how wounded Taiga plays Wataru's continuous rejections), but it's a whole episode to get us back to where we started. King's abduction of Otoya is a non-starter for those two characters, since it's mostly just King deciding to slowly kill Otoya in a way that a villain from the 1966 Batman TV show would think was unnecessarily delayed. It's a plot that has tons of momentum going into it, but then the show's like Maybe Next Week, and the two actors don't do anything special with their scene. It's just Smug King and Snarling Otoya, and it's a disappointment. Which... kind of a disappointing episode! I love how much this show is uniting characters in the home stretch instead of the usual Kamen Rider thing of everyone being at each other's throats for the final few episodes, but when it's in the service of weirdly inert plots that focus on fourth-string characters like Shima or my two favorite characters getting lost in magic woods, it's hard to compliment the show for it. There's still some really clever character work being done, but this episode felt like a bit of wheel-spinning before the finale.
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06-29-2021, 02:54 AM | #714 |
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So this is the episode where Shima, Mr. The-Only-Good-Fangire-Is-A-Dead-One becomes a Fangire himself. I honestly thought the reveal wasn’t until next episode. Boy do I have more to say there.
And we’re onto the penultimate part of the “Fact Fangire-le” (for this thread), where it’s clear the budget is now relegated to repainted costumes. First, we get another monster where I assume the name is based on the Kanji (it’s based off a seagull) Sun-gazer Fangire True name: Afterimage of a Crash Connected to the Water Surface (水面に連鎖する墜落の残像 Suimen ni Rensa suru Tsuiraku no Zanzō) Human identity: N/A Class: Lizard Rank: Pawn Actor: Katsumi Shiono (voice), Kazuhiko Kanayama (second) And the one Maya and Yuri fight in the woods. Silk Moth Fangire True name: Sincerity Flowed from a Poison Bottle (毒薬の瓶から誠意が溢れた Dokuyaku no Bin kara Seii ga Afureta) Human identity: N/A Class: Insect Rank: Pawn Actor: Masako Katsuki (voice) And for a bit of casting trivia I find intriguing, both VAs for the moth-based Fangires were in the same Sentai show as part of the same sub-group (sadly, they were not moth themed. One was flower themed, while the other was bee-themed) |
06-29-2021, 09:49 AM | #715 |
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- It's a good episode for Wataru, but it's maybe a great one for Otoya? It's a big showcase for his biggest positive quality (that's also the root of lots of his negative ones), which is how he's truly got as open a heart as a person could have. It's not even only with Maya here; the episode makes a whole point out of how the Arms Monsters can't bring themselves to follow King's orders and kill Otoya because he's just too dang nice to them. It's utter insanity for Otoya to look at Jirou like he's an old pal by this point, but because it's Otoya, you can almost believe it.
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It's a fun fight scene, but it's a bonkers fight scene, even for an Inoue show. An entire army of variously-sized space bats shows up out of nowhere! Like this is something Taiga does every episode, so they don't need to set it up or acknowledge it! And then they're all quickly defeated by Kiva! Like this was something he'd trained for! It is one of the weirdest fight scenes I've ever seen on this show!
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Aw, that would've been a really cool visualization of Wataru's regression. I think the only problem the show would've had with it is you'd basically need Tatsulot to refuse to participate, and that would've been too weird. Tatsulot does not do anything but love Wataru! Having a story that's this rough on Wataru that also includes a Henshin Device calling him a failure... um! Not sure that's going to be bearable.
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KAMEN RIDER KIVA EPISODE 42 - “THE POWER OF LOVE: THE KING’S RAGE”
Naturally, it’s about love. The Kengo and Yuri scenes are about the same thing: Sometimes love is bigger than the people in love. For better or worse, the feeling of being in love can be so overpowering that logic loses its sway and all that matters is how you feel. It gains a resiliency that keeps it from being broken. Kengo was friends with Wataru when Kengo hated Wataru, just like they were friends when Wataru told Kengo they couldn’t be friends. Yuri still loves Otoya, even if she’s lost him to Maya. Maybe that sounds ridiculous? Maya certainly thinks so, even as she’s won over by Yuri’s dedication. It is a little hard to swallow, considering that Otoya has rarely risen above the level of Vague Nuisance to Yuri. But it sounds real familiar, if you’ve ever been in love. The idea that people in love can hurt each other and reconcile, or let each other down before swearing devotion… it’s a thing! The person you love stops being just them, just their identity, and starts being The Person You Love. It all gets bigger than two people. (Or more than two people!) It has its own weight and size, Your Feelings, and it gets a vote. So, yeah, devoting a little time to Kengo and Yuri talking about how impossible it can be to turn off your feelings, even when everyone in a relationship is acting like a lunatic… that tracks! That’s a neat idea to explore.
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06-29-2021, 11:37 AM | #716 |
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It's definitely a more profound type of love than Taiga's love for Mio, since he expects her to love him back. But Yuri shows unconditional love for Otoya, by wanting to rescue him even though she knows he will never love her as much as he does Maya. There's nothing in the world more powerful than that. Again, more reasons why Yuri is such a selfless and awesome character and the best part of 1986! I think it actually increases Maya's respect for her and maybe makes her feel kind of bad for homewrecking her relationship, since Yuri definitely deserves more happiness in her life for how hard she's fought to earn it. Although we know this is only a year before her daughter's birth, so we can conclude that she eventually gets over her heartbreak. Fighting to protect your love without expecting it to be reciprocated isn't ridiculous at all, it's romantic!
That said... boy, it's not a great thing to risk your life for unrequited love? It's Yuri dedicating herself to someone who is love with another woman more than he's in love with Yuri (god, trying to explain this triangle is a herculean task), and that needs to be a temporary situation if she has any self-respect.
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06-29-2021, 06:24 PM | #717 |
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While only a bit of it is actually used in the opening scene with King stealing Otoya away, I'm happy to use that as an excuse to share this awesome track, which is perfect for all those fight scenes that just aren't going great for the good guys.
...And because I'm just all about those low energy tracks, here's a short but sweet one featured in quite a few of Kiva's talky scenes, including Taiga's latest attempt to win Wataru over to his side here. I mean, I say "low energy", but it's a piece all about creating a sense of gradually rising tension, rather than the typical melancholic stuff I'm always choosing for these, which makes it a bit more unique. I think the thing about this episode I noticed that I'm most excited to point out is how the year Yuri died written on her grave is conspicuously covered up by flowers when its shown, which is more than a little adorable. Beyond that, I mean, I definitely see where Inoue is coming from with wanting to tie Shima and Taiga's backstories together and how all this plays into the central themes of the show, giving them another angle to explore the whole human/Fangire divide from and everything, but... yeah, I can imagine it being a little hard to care too much when it's still got that fundamental hurdle of involving Shima, a guy who has so far been most notable in this thread for his consistently questionable management skills, and very little else. Quote:
I forget if this has come up in the thread at all or not , but for reasons I'm unclear on, every single Fangire works in a bird of some sort somewhere in their design, and apparently that has something or other to do with the "true names" that you've been sharing for each of them. (Hence the "water surface" bit here, for example? I think?) The whole concept is so insane I struggle to properly grasp it, but man, overly inventive design work like this is such a lovely thing about Kamen Rider. Stained glass monsters was already creative enough! You didn't have to go this far!
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Beyond that, I mean, I definitely see where Inoue is coming from with wanting to tie Shima and Taiga's backstories together and how all this plays into the central themes of the show, giving them another angle to explore the whole human/Fangire divide from and everything, but... yeah, I can imagine it being a little hard to care too much when it's still got that fundamental hurdle of involving Shima, a guy who has so far been most notable in this thread for his consistently questionable management skills, and very little else.
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I meant "pragmatic" more as "achievable" than anything else. Trying to single-handedly change multiple societies is probably out of reach for the kids watching Kiva, but finding a way to feel comfortable in your choices? And supporting your friends, so they can feel comfortable in their choices? That's something any kid can work to accomplish.
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Well, let's keep in mind that Wataru's altruistic goal to bridge the worlds of Fangires and humans didn't occur to him until he found out that he was half-human and half-Fangire. There's probably a small to medium amount of selfishness in this new goal, which is why he completely misses the fact that no one's in favor of it besides the only character on the show who is a human/Fangire hybrid.
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KAMEN RIDER KIVA EPISODE 40 - “ENCORE: RETURN OF NAGO’S IXA”
It’s just, a lot of this episode is about Nago becoming IXA again, and Kengo losing IXA, and I don’t know that this development clears even the incredibly low bar of Shima’s previous IXA disbursements. Like, emotionally? Great episode. Narratively? It feels rushed and illogical. And, again, that’s illogical even by Shima’s normal standards. Quote:
The rest of the episode is better, though. Seeing Wataru regress back to his Episode 1 self in the light of his attack on his friends is appropriately traumatic for both him and the viewer. He’s unable to trust himself, so he can’t be around the very people who’d help him trust in himself again. It’s a rough episode, never more so than when he’s telling Nago that he’ll never fight as Kiva again.
The way it’s shot is just heartbreaking. It’s Wataru walking away from the camera, and telling Nago that he’s thankful for their friendship, and that he wants Megumi to know he’s sorry. You can sort of hear Wataru’s voice breaking, him holding back tears, but you can’t see how much it’s hurting him to even exist in the same space as a friend he attacked. It’s enormously affecting, misting me up a little bit. Wataru’s worked so hard this entire show to be a good man, to be a good friend, and now he feels like he can’t be either. Nago and Megumi and Shizuka, though, are not willing to give up on him. It’s a fun little plot, a very Kamen Rider Home Alone adventure, and it’s as heartwarming as the Wataru plot is heartbreaking. The way the two plots combine keeps anything from feeling either too silly or too morose. Wataru’s struggle is given the proper weight, while his friends’ dedication feels charming and whimsical. It’s as solid a way to tell this part of the story as I can imagine. Quote:
I haven’t spent a lot of time talking about the 1986 plots, mostly because I feel like I’d just end up recounting them and saying That Happened. They’re not really saying much new, even if they’re finding new ways to say it. That’s more or less where we’re at this time, with Yuri wanting to kill Maya, and Maya pitying Yuri.
Yuri has been a Fangire fighter before, so I get that Yuri here would fight Maya just like her fighting other Fangires. If you're going for Yuri and Maya friendship, I'd like for Yuri's view of Fangires (like to family too) to be touched upon too, because Maya is a Fangire, and I think Yuri fights her here partly as she's a Fangire.
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KAMEN RIDER KIVA EPISODE 43 - "WEDDING MARCH: A TIME OF PARTING”
Maybe the worst episode of Kamen Rider I've ever seen? I hesitate to ever call a piece of art Bad. Bad's an objective term for something that's inherently subjective. So, no, I don't think this was necessarily Bad. If someone out there found value in it, awesome. For me, it was bereft of merit, an almost stunningly inert and misguided attempt at telling a story about love and sacrifice. I hated watching this. It's disappointing in a way that's worse than all of the weirder problematic decisions Inoue might make in the course of a show, because this wasn't some huge swing that fell apart because it was too singular, or too unprecedented. It didn't invite debate or condemnation. It's just shoddily done, with a half-dozen decisions that undercut whatever it's been building towards, at exactly the wrong moment. Like, god, if I weren't the type of person to follow through on a series, this would've been my last episode of Kiva. It mortally wounds the show, robbing me of any confidence that this thing is going to be landed with grace. This episode was so hamfisted and clumsy that I almost can't believe it. Centering half of the story on Shima, a character the show never spent time on, and then letting Taiga kill him off to anger Wataru... why? Why make such a huge deal about Shima's views on Fangires, when it's never felt relevant to a story? We never really got the feeling that Shima was anything more than a soldier. The last couple episodes have tried to reinvent him as a genocidal fanatic, but that's super recent and barely explained. His backstory with Taiga would maybe enhance it, but it's just never given the specificity and history to come across as anything other than some late-game retcon. When the show previously wanted to tell a story about a fanatical good guy who realized that Wataru was more than just his Fangire heritage, they chose Nago, so it mattered and it worked. To contrive this ridiculous story about Shima, all to say nice things to Wataru (a kid he had maybe four scenes with in the entire series), and then get killed by Saga in the middle of the episode... it doesn't work! It's too rushed, too inconsequential. It's a waste of time. But Mio's death... man, that was a failure of storytelling that was consistently funny, right up until I realized they ruined the show. The staging on all of the Mio and Taiga stuff was surprisingly tone-deaf and amateurish. That wedding! What in the hell was going on with the directing where that wedding scene wasn't completely reshot! Taiga looks ridiculous, like instead of hosting a vampire-themed wedding, he just decided to dress up like Dracula at a normal wedding, but he would not spend more than $25. The Fangires were always vampire-influenced, but this is just sad. I expected more weirdness from a man who henshins into a snake-UFO-cathedral. His costume here was shockingly basic, and that lack of imagination filtered down into everything in that scene. For a wedding that was supposed to unite the Fangires, why aren't any of them there? I know this is the two of them, like, eloping, but why is Bishop skulking around instead of actively participating? How is this even a ceremony if no one's there to see it? The show made a huge deal about how this event would solidify Taiga's reign as King, and to not even have that addressed was disappointing. It was a scene I was laughing at (TAIGA'S HAIR!!!), and that just kept going when Mio just up and stabs Taiga in the guts. The little blue blood that comes out of the wound, and Mio staring at her hands, and her screaming I'M SORRY... I laughed hard. Nothing about the score or the acting contained even a trace of subtlety or nuance, and it could easily pass for parody. I loved Mari in Faiz, and this level of work is beneath that actor. It's all so broad, this entire episode. It's big melodramatic moments that feel completely untethered from the dramatic stakes of the show, and are working in a totally different cadence than what Kiva has been using for the last 42 episodes. Worse, it's really all stuff that only matters in how it affects Wataru, and he's mostly sidelined in this episode. Shima doesn't exactly mean anything to him personally, so the one scene they have was, like, Tell It To The Dog. Tell that dog you were proud of him, because that relationship is established. The Mio/Taiga wedding should be a huge deal to multiple characters, but a) Wataru never even finds out about it, and b) it's treated like the third-most important subplot in this episode. It's something the show has been building towards literally since Taiga's debut, and then all of a sudden it's some weird thrown-off moment. Nominally, it explains Mio's decision at the end of the episode, but I didn't buy that for a single second. Taiga's decision to spare her made sense. This is a guy who desperately wants to believe that he is loved, even if he has to get his guts pulled out to prove it. He also has based his entire sense of self-worth on being King of the Fangires, so he is heavily motivated to salvage his relationship with Mio. (Also, trying to kill your loved ones is a pretty big part of Fangire culture, so maybe this didn't mean the same thing to Taiga as it meant to Mio?) So Taiga denying Mio's attempt on his life? I buy that. I do not buy Mio sacrificing herself to save Taiga for even a fraction of a goddamn second. It's utterly incomprehensible, and I am always willing to give Inoue the benefit of the doubt when it comes to character motivations. Mio hated Taiga! She loved Wataru! Wataru wasn't crazy about her wanting him to kill Taiga, but it's not like they broke up or anything. There's no reason, in this episode, for her to risk her life to save Taiga's. It's a decision that doesn't make sense to me at all. And now, since she died in process, we'll likely get Wataru feeling monumentally guilty about something that wasn't his fault, and Taiga swearing revenge for something that wasn't Wataru's fault. (Like, Mio doesn't do anything to try to stop this fight before jumping in front of a finisher! She doesn't plead with them first, or anything sensible. She just dives in front of a Wake Up Fever! That is like trying to put out a fire by diving on top of it. Not that helpful!) It just sucks, as someone who (up until last episode) was really loving how this show was wrapping up. It was doing some smart, character-based storytelling, with empathy and tricky personal dilemmas. Now it's some bullshit fridging, and two men fighting over Their Woman or whatever, and I suddenly couldn't care less about the 2008 storyline. I hate nearly every decision this episode made with those characters. (The Shima/Nago "fight" was great, though. No complaints.) It bummed me out so much that I can barely muster any enthusiasm for the 1986 stuff. That was generally okay, even if it's sort of rushing through plot developments. Maya hearing Otoya's song while Yuri couldn't was a great touch, but I wish the scene of Maya losing her powers wasn't something that happened without Yuri and Otoya around. It's the same problem I had with the Mio/Taiga wedding, where it's this huge moment the show has been building up to.. and then it just happens in isolation, like it's ticked off of a checklist and that's all that mattered. God, I hated this episode. I thought the episode of Kabuto where Tsurugi flies home to France was going to be my nadir for Inoue, but it's this episode. Absolutely gutting, if it's not too soon to say that. (Sorry, Taiga!)
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