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11-16-2021, 01:35 PM | #41 |
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11-16-2021, 02:02 PM | #42 |
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hiromi being out of place is the most accurate description of the character I've ever seen
I want to be excited for his character development but he is so fucking boring now. I almost wish we had a new demons user because all he does right now is lose fights or his opposition flees. it's never been more apparent that this guy wasn't supposed to be a rider. a lot of these episodes so far have felt pretty complete even if you exclude his influence hell, they didn't even bother to add ANY visual effects to hiromi's last transformation in this episode - he just says henshin and they immediately cut to demons fighting. obviously they prioritized time and budget on live's debut, but still - kamen rider hardly ever does cuts like that with zero visual effects whatsoever I'm just getting bored of seeing every hiromi/demons moment so far amount to pretty much nothing - especially when we're approaching the end of the first quarter and we're kind of starved for plot Last edited by Chasing; 11-16-2021 at 02:12 PM.. |
11-16-2021, 02:12 PM | #43 |
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hiromi being out of place is the most accurate description of the character I've ever seen
I want to be excited for his character development but he is so fucking boring now. I almost wish we had a new demons user because all he does right now is lose fights or his opposition flees it's never been more apparent that this guy wasn't supposed to be a rider. a lot of these episodes so far have felt pretty complete even if you exclude his influence I kinda wanna believe he'll be something. Some of my favourite characterwork has resulted from plans diverting from the original -- Ankh's place in OOO's finale, Stacey's existence in Zenkaiger, etc. And even beyond that I've found changed plans to just be downright fun like Cronus in Ex-Aid, so I wanna believe there'll be something here!
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11-16-2021, 02:20 PM | #44 |
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Personally I'm just sitting here worried he'll get stuck in Build's "Rogue" situation of:
"What do we do with this extra guy now that he's firmly on the protag's side?" "Idk just have him do goofy shit, it'll work out." |
11-16-2021, 02:21 PM | #45 |
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I think it's really funny how we both have the same read on the character, but in completely opposite doses of optimism
I kinda wanna believe he'll be something. Some of my favourite characterwork has resulted from plans diverting from the original -- Ankh's place in OOO's finale, Stacey's existence in Zenkaiger, etc. And even beyond that I've found changed plans to just be downright fun like Cronus in Ex-Aid, so I wanna believe there'll be something here! actually I thought his resolve to stop daiji was interesting - but the fact hiromi had no lines or input on daiji's return tells me they're dropping that plot point at the moment everything about him feels like filler to me which is kinda bad cause I don't feel like revice as it is now really has time for that |
11-16-2021, 02:31 PM | #46 |
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I was just as optimistic a month ago. it's just that it's officially been a month since his debut and I expected that we'd have something to work with by now aside from his catchphrase
actually I thought his resolve to stop daiji was interesting - but the fact hiromi had no lines or input on daiji's return tells me they're dropping that plot point at the moment everything about him feels like filler to me which is kinda bad cause I don't feel like revice as it is now really has time for that This was in the original plot where Hiromi died, but it is possible that elements from him are still planned to be used. |
11-16-2021, 03:09 PM | #47 |
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I will admit that I do echo the sentiments of Hiromi... sorta just being there. It's interesting because his debut worked well, but aside from like a minor fight scene with Evil an episode later, all of his fights have definitely felt filler-ish in regards to what he's doing.
Like whenever he's just fighting Gifu Jr's, or a Deadman while Ikki is having the plot with the brother etc. Like even next week in the previews you see him sort of isolated fighting Gifu Jr's on his own while Daiji and Ikki get the brother Henshin moment and we've got stuff with Sakura coming up. Admittedly I'm not swung either way on Hiromi yet, I find his "there-ness" intriguing more than anything else. Though to be honest I was getting rather bored of him and his singular catch phrase to the point where I was like fine with Vice's stunt at the beginning showing him in his mind. I was finally like "Oh, good he can emote more than stale burning justice". |
11-16-2021, 03:26 PM | #48 |
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I think since Hiromi symbolizes the Shova Riders, he should be such a monotonous hero. On the other hand, yes, more interaction with others would make him more entertaining. I still think it's worth waiting for the first quarter of the show to end when the audience is bombarded with new toys. Maybe then we'll get a whole story dedicated to Hiromi. Or the Spider-Bat-Cobra trio (it will be a pity if something is not invented for them without Revice). Last edited by Mesnick; 11-16-2021 at 03:28 PM.. |
11-16-2021, 10:46 PM | #49 |
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Completely understand on the idea that he's kinda just there. You can remove him from the episode entirely and there would only be slight alterations, he really was meant to die and for someone else to be Demons.
But, it's because of his straightforward demeanor and catch phrase that I really love him. Really emulates the showa era rider. Made stronger (albeit not presented well) when it's shown that he's crying inside, a mind of steel with a soft heat. He emulates what I also liked in Saber. He's a Kamen Rider no questions asked, pure classic heroism that I feel is kinda a rare sight nowadays. Topped it off with an amazing suit and belt. |
11-17-2021, 03:21 AM | #50 |
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Yeah, it's like he's trying to create his own Kamen Rider fanfic in real life, creating problems for the heroes to overcome and show their heroism. The Othello board is symbolic of this, with a player having more tiles giving the enemy more opportunity to flip them. A rather literal case of good and evil being two sides of the same coin.
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Vice was the MVP of their fight with Evil though, being the only one with the clear head, configuring the Revislasher and trying to calm Revi so he doesn't do anything dangerous. Revi wasn't even thinking about Vice, so they weren't in sync and Evil used that to his advantage. Since Vice is a manifestation of Ikki's hidden desires, it makes sense that there would be a selfish side to Ikki as well, like not believing in others and trying to solve everybody's problems instead of helping them solve their own, hence why he's called the ultimate busybody, similar to Kikuchi Keitarou.
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Oh, so you're also someone who longs for pure classic heroism too. I thought otherwise regarding how Tendou and Tsukasa are your favorites among the main protagonists (and also appreciating Onodera more than Godai), as pure classic heroism is seen in most of the main Riders? Unless you have your own definition of what it means for pure classic heroism (and if people'd want for characters to become like Tendou and Tsukasa.. or Takumi, it'd just make pure classic heroism even more of a rare sight).
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