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02-03-2022, 09:48 AM | #31 |
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He told him that if he really wanted to fight, he should which ultimately means, that he should endanger himself if he wants to.
And yes, I know he had a plan, but that was still just a gamble and Ikki really can't promise that he'll save him. It basically comes down to the same thing. That Hiromi should just continue following his selfish impulses and effectively carelessly throw his life away and that just does not sit well with me. All just for his dream of being a hero, instead of actually doing the heroic thing and sacrificing his dream to help in another way. Something he can defiantly do given his position! And it's also the fact that Hiromi dying in such a pointless fight really only hurts everyone around him. On a professional level given they'd be their commander short again and would leave Fenix in a more vulnerable position and the fact that he'd hurt his friends when he wasn't there anymore. There is a difference between laying your life down for others and throwing it away carelessly and this was the latter. It reminds me of the whole Kento situation where he keeps trying to atone for his father's sins and save others from death by not valuing his life. Just, instead of Touma telling him to cut it out and value his life, he instead encouraged him to go on if he really wants to do it. All in all, I hate the entire concept and how Ikki basically encourages him to endanger himself more.
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He told him that if he really wanted to fight, he should which ultimately means, that he should endanger himself if he wants to.
And yes, I know he had a plan, but that was still just a gamble and Ikki really can't promise that he'll save him. It basically comes down to the same thing. That Hiromi should just continue following his selfish impulses and effectively carelessly throw his life away and that just does not sit well with me. All just for his dream of being a hero, instead of actually doing the heroic thing and sacrificing his dream to help in another way. Something he can defiantly do given his position! And it's also the fact that Hiromi dying in such a pointless fight really only hurts everyone around him. On a professional level given they'd be their commander short again and would leave Fenix in a more vulnerable position and the fact that he'd hurt his friends when he wasn't there anymore. There is a difference between laying your life down for others and throwing it away carelessly and this was the latter. It reminds me of the whole Kento situation where he keeps trying to atone for his father's sins and save others from death by not valuing his life. Just, instead of Touma telling him to cut it out and value his life, he instead encouraged him to go on if he really wants to do it. All in all, I hate the entire concept and how Ikki basically encourages him to endanger himself more.
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02-03-2022, 02:14 PM | #33 |
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True, dreams are valuable and can push you beyond what you thought possible, but it also depends on the dream.
Hiromi's dream is to be a hero. Heros help people. Had Ikki's plan not worked and he died in that scrapyard, it would have helped no one! He would only have made things worse, something Daiji criticized Sakura for when she failed to transform. He'd hurt his friends who would have to continue without him and the pain of losing him and he'd hurt Fenix for losing its second commander in more or less a month most likely. The thing is, heroes need to make sacrifices and give up things they want to help others. He didn't. He wanted to be that hero, the one out there and completely ignored the fact that he was only helping the bad guys, so effectively no one. He only followed his own selfish wish to be a hero and ultimately completely failed to live up to the ideal he cherished. He only followed his self-destructive instinct and only cared for what he wanted and failed to take a look around. Heroes often don't get what they want, not because they are not good enough, but because they sacrifice it to do the right thing. That is something that carries through for most Riders. They give up something dear to them because it's the right thing to do. Sometimes they get it back, or they don't. Hiromi did not do that.
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02-03-2022, 03:44 PM | #34 |
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I have so many mixed feelings about what's happening.
George acting as shady as possible. The higher up being completely evil, he makes me think of Apollo Geist and I think someone else said that. Sacrificing lives for the sake of experimentation is a no go. If one of the Showa riders were there, Fenix would be treated the same way as Shocker or any of those evil organizations (that were basically extensions of Shocker right? I didn't watch all the Showa Riders but I do know that this isn't the case anymore in the Black Series) I just don't want Hiromi to die : I would like to see one of the following : 1 - He succeeds in conquering the Demons Driver and it doesn't deplete his life anymore, in a odd turn of events, that would make him regain his life he lost 2 - He looses the Driver, Olteca gets it, but suffers the same fate. Hiromi is on the sideline but is actually useful as a commander and tries to change Fenix from the inside. I have no other idea for the moment. I can't wait to see next Episode but Ooh boy, Aguilera sure is completely oblivious about "Gifu" Olteca being branded a Genius but being idiotic enough to believe in a shady guy just shows that he isn't as clever as he thinks. He is being played hard, and I don't feel bad for that. |
02-03-2022, 04:58 PM | #35 |
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I'm not going to criticize the show too hard since I don't think their whole hand had been played yet, but I actually think Layton hit the nail on the head for why what happened with Hiromi and Ikki this episode didn't entirely work for me. Hiromi is reckless with his own life to the point of actually being detrimental to his own attempts at heroism, and Ikki encouraging it was not something I felt was positive. That being said, I really can't help but feel the show is slowly working towards some kind of incredible breaking point where the characters start realizing their own flaws more deeply. I'm just hope my faith in the show isn't misplaced!
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02-04-2022, 01:53 AM | #36 |
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Hiromi's a pretty sad character to me, since his backstory was his childhood bullying, but he seems to be still stuck in a lot of the same patterns from back then. Things like not realizing anything had changed with the Commander, despite him having gone from apparently a pretty supportive mentor to calling him worthless and talentless. Same with his training friend last episode suddenly being so confrontational. Or how guarded he is with his vulnerabilities even with people who'd want to help- hiding his poor physical condition until brought up, or shoving his very suspicious talking driver in a locker as soon as the brothers return. (lol)
It's kinda the feeling of... someone who never really learned to trust or rely on other people? And even as he often tries to assume the best about people, doesn't think about part of 'the best' being treating him well. Which, like... I'd feel better about Ikki encouraging him here if it seemed to move any of the above in a positive direction? But after Ikki saying he'll try to protect him he... calls out Olteca to meet and battle alone, and is apparently surprised by Ikki showing up. If George hadn't sent a drone after him or something, whoops, kinda a pointlessly tragic end. So I'd say I'm not really satisfied with where he's at now... with the caveat that this was apparently part 2 of 3 for whatever story he's getting currently. So this might not be where his arc ends... or he might just die next episode. Well, who knows, |
02-04-2022, 02:15 PM | #37 |
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I had watched the episode last Tuesday, but I had no time to write it here until now. So another one with no opening, but I guess both of the potentially tense events (Hiromi dying or Fenix reveal) are subverted in this episode.
The major reason for that is also about Ikki's development though, hooray for Revice to character focus ahead! Like I said before, one of Ikki's appeal to me is that he can still screw up big time even if he's nice, well-meaning, and didn't do morally questionable stuff (including for well-meaning reason) and for other reason than being a total idiot, like how him being a busybody (which'd mean helping others) drives a wedge between his siblings. Of which even if Ikki isn't morally dubious, he still needs to change in some ways too, which is shown here, not all flaws are offensive traits. I also now understand better for the previous part about Daiji calling Ikki out for not being enough busybody meaning Ikki's development, as it shows Ikki accepting and respecting other's choices, like Hiromi's choice to keep fighting despite his condition. Ikki (with Akemi) would find a different way to protect Hiromi (attacking Demons Driver; attacking other Riders!) despite his workaholic approach rather than being overprotective to just prevent him doing something, and I'd like to see what other ways he comes off with to take care of others without being overbearing. Though like what some people said here, it's also about allowing Hiromi to be purposely detrimental beyond reason, and I'd think it's primarily Hiromi's fault tbh, his recklessness and impulsiveness are his flaws that has been proven to be his shortcomings. Just that in this episode he hasn't learned from that yet (dunno if he will), and instead is stubborn beyond reason, albeit of course in a softer way instead of harsh way like some of the secondary Riders against the primary's lessons. I̶n̶ ̶N̶o̶ ̶W̶a̶y̶ ̶H̶o̶m̶e̶,̶ ̶S̶p̶i̶d̶e̶r̶-̶M̶a̶n̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶d̶e̶a̶l̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ ̶w̶h̶o̶ ̶d̶o̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶w̶a̶n̶t̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶h̶e̶l̶p̶e̶d̶,̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶R̶e̶v̶i̶c̶e̶,̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶"̶S̶p̶i̶d̶e̶r̶-̶M̶a̶n̶"̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶d̶o̶e̶s̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶w̶a̶n̶t̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶h̶e̶l̶p̶e̶d̶ ̶s̶m̶h̶.̶ By this Hiromi obviously needs to learn from something too, like how he witnesses Ikki becoming dependable instead of viewing himself as dependable but actually overbearing. Like Daiji said, you can't save anyone when you're dead, I think for heroism you should try to preserve yourself so you're sure you'd be there for others in future, without doing morally questionable shit (like sacrificing the unlucky few) and still ready to throw your life if the situation demands it of course, but likely Hiromi should think up of other good deeds he can do without henshin as Demons for example. Albeit him letting himself got hit by Volcano Rex's finisher is quite a smart move from him to preserve himself that I can appreciate. Other than that, seems expected, he's shown to be merciful towards Chigusa's betrayal and would seek best case scenario. The Fenix truth isn't revealed yet, other than it involves George and Akaishi's conversation in flashback, obviously 2 of the most shady members of Fenix, but it seems that Chigusa's sort of the hypocrite type in "reacting to the horrible truth I discovered". She joined a faction that can be as bad as Fenix with mostly little regard (albeit she had limits when Olteca killed her), like they pull horrible shit constantly and more openly, eventually to herself, and she shares Olteca's supremacy view of degrading whole humanity (and forcing them to "evolve" in their image) as well. Other than that, Olteca's backstory seems to paint him as just being depraved from a child, that him being a prodigy leads to him developing a superiority complex over others. Olteca now reminds of me of some of KR's mad scientists before, he has mad scientist personality/worldview but does things via supernatural stuff instead, like he wants to forcibly evolve humanity like Ryoma, and that his backstory of him already shown as being messed up before he got the power to act upon his ideology (by being recruited to Deadman.... with likely Akaishi in disguise) reminds me of Isaka in W. For Olteca at the first part of the episode, it's nice of him to react to Volcano Rex' finisher to prevent himself losing his power, but at the end of this episode, Olteca still smirks as Fenix captured him, I wanna know what schemes he can pull off without Deadman powers later on. Possibly turning into actual mad scientist using Fenix's tools? Regarding George, now it seems that his goal is to create the Ultimate Kamen Rider, but it does further confirms my thoughts of him only value the chaos and violence that can present in KR shows instead of acknowledging why KR can be admirable via the heroism value they (not all) display, even openly mocking Hiromi for his heroism. There's also more of his unpleasant and sleazy attitude here of him showing no regards towards Hiromi being his lab rat (typical mad scientist attitude), where even if Hiromi would make the choice to use Demons, oh wait, George guilt-tripped him into becoming Demons at the first place (blaming him for Kagerou), so he does set up this for Hiromi, so it'd not be Hiromi's reckless fault here. His goal of creating Ultimate Kamen Rider also doesn't seem to be a good/benefical one here, likely just want to test his limits of how much he can create, but it'd depend on what he do next to achieve it for his villain status (or allowing that Ultimate Kamen Rider to spread chaos to show off his "brilliance" of what power he can create). But George isn't only scientifically brilliant, he's street smart and has people skills as well despite usually interacting in odd way (probably him interacting to Ikki at the hospital is also about this), which'd just make him more of a threat, like how Hiromi can fought as Demons for quite long time without anyone surrounding them knowing the true schemes until Hiromi almost died. For his true colors, at the very least Hiromi now knows George was his bully, and now only holds him in contempt. The scene that I didn't like in this episode was Tamaki and Sakura's conversation, which, like Sh Ranger said, is just lazy and repetitive to repeat the same dialogue from previous episodes. Actually I'd like for more types of interaction between them y'know (...probably more than Sakura with Aguilera), of which Tamaki had interacted with Sakura before to inflitrate, but he now isn't, while Sakura now has been more accepting of Tamaki too. While Tamaki and Aguilera temporarily worked together with the Igarashi brothers against Aguilera, it's blatantly stated that Aguilera wants to retrieve the Giff stamp. Aguilera hasn't changed, at all, she still has the same goal from the beginning here. And the parallel too of Aguilera and Olteca basically having the same goal to forcibly evolve humanity via Giff. It's another case of evil vs evil like Metsuboujinrai.net vs ZAIA, albeit Olteca has grown to be really more despicable with his petty sadism, evil is not one big happy family. And again, Aguilera would abuse Tamaki here for telling Sakura, she's normally unpleasant except when certain crisis comes (Tamaki losing Yosuke). Tamaki himself too is loyal to Aguilera, which'd mean he's liable to take whatever side she ends up falling on.
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02-04-2022, 02:37 PM | #38 |
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Pretty solid conclusion to this little two-parter. The only thing I can sort of gripe about is more just something I'm of two minds on, which is the big elaborate sequence of all of Revice's forms getting used. Because like, on one hand, I love seeing that kind of stuff, and the entire scene was put together fantastically, but on the other hand, seeing Sakamoto do this in a Rider show is always going to remind me of how cool it was in Ghost, when those forms held emotional and narrative significance to further increase the scene's impact, and it's extra tricky for Ikki and Vice to compete with that in an episode that's not really about them.
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The motivation seems to be different though, since Olteca doesn't seek to make his life more exciting, but wants to be understood. That's definitely not enough yet to make him redeemable, especially considering the aforementioned Giftarian feeding, but maybe it's setting up his arc for later. I have no doubt that Deadmans are only pretending to understand him, so they can use his genius mind for evil.
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Remember what I said about George probably being a good guy, just eccentric, shady, and pragmatic? Looking a little unfavorable in that area now.... Which I don't know if I'm disappointed or not since I kinda wanted him to be that kind of character instead of just being bad. Not-Apollo Geist should've been that. But I guess George still has room to do something.
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True, the problem is when some people paint the tragic villain as innocent (deflecting the blame on anyone else but them) only because they are victimized and suffer (which is also what I feel for some who thinks highly for Aguilera as well due to her current circumstance), ignoring the deeds they do in the present. It's apparent that after Yosuke's death, it's tragic, but Julio became a bigger threat than ever too.
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