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08-16-2021, 12:49 AM | #11 |
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Hey considered me part of the seen Decade as on of thier first train it was pretty fun. Though I going to have to break the positivity for a bit and say Decade kinda has gotten worst for me. Especially with ZI-O now a thing, and I feel was a better attempt at the anniversary aspect, but I can't deny there is certain fondness for Decade even after all this time, from the music to the characters.
Some of it - boy, I really don't want to get out over my skis on this, having watched one single episode so far - is that Decade is doing a lot to to democratize the idea of storytelling. Like, that whole thing about The Story Of Wataru... Wataru doesn't belong to Toei anymore. He doesn't belong to the actor, he doesn't belong to Inoue, he doesn't belong to Tiberius Toei, the CEO of Toei (did not check the wiki, feels correct). Once a story gets out into the world, we all get a say in it. Stories become bigger than individual contributors once they take root in our hearts, if I can bungle a metaphor. So a series opting, for logistical reasons or otherwise, to just try and talk about what it felt like to watch these shows? To echo and reflect Kuuga (for example), rather than continue or laud Kuuga? I think that's a thematically-relevant way to approach paying homage. Quote:
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Edit: also, in discussing the show itself. But also not really, I love Journey Through The Decade. It's unique in the sea of other openings. Most openings (that I can currently recall) are always about hyping you up for the episode, upbeat, shows you the heroic Kamen Rider, but Decade's is more kinda sad in a way? My favorite parts are Natsumi standing there as various riders appear and fade out, and the end part with Decade fighting the main riders. Sets up how I view Decade, as just this eternal rider filled with conflict with other riders.
I am going to be unbelievably pissed when it's just Sakurai.
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08-16-2021, 12:58 AM | #12 |
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To put it short, it's kinda (but also not really) a very special object that indicates Tsukasa where he is.
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08-16-2021, 03:39 AM | #13 |
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Well, here I am again to bring up my regular thing:
I don’t have a set one. Instead, I’m simply recreating what I did on the previous watch threads. Kuuga: Not regularly commenting and making one general opinion post near the end. Kiva: A profile on the featured Fangire/sharing a video for an insert song. Ryuki: Discussing my fervent opinions. Blade: A profile on the featured Undead/a discussion of a featured meme. Faiz: Vaguely hinting at future events. Agito: random production trivia. Den-O: One part sharing the VA’ for the Imagin’s previous and later credits for part 1, then a discussion of the storyline for part 2. Kabuto: Pointing out similarities between a featured Rider and one from a previous season. Hibiki: etymology for the Oni’s name/ song lyrics foreshadowing the next episode through vague similarities. And then I’ll see where the wind takes me. As for the first episode, I did like the fact that we have an experienced hero* who’s lost his memories and is essentially a rookie. Especially with him losing all his powers and having to regain them (one thing I didn’t like about this show’s rough Sentai equivalent Gokaiger was that they just give them most of the past hero powers from the get go, with the only missing ones being ones they’ll never use anyway). And the massive destruction of the world does seem like the sort of precursor to a multiversal threat. *citation needed |
08-16-2021, 05:12 AM | #14 |
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I know that you're saying that this thread's going to be different. But I didn't expect it to be so different, though I've seen similar type of KR discussion which is done in dialogues like this, like the Reaction Posts/Commentary section (but is significantly more minor, it wasn't what I was promoting) in my link at signature. It'll be likely more random for me to choose what to respond here, there'd be no way I'm responding to every single one here.
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For our first episode, let’s get to know this thread’s DECADE enthusiast, ZATYME!
KAMEN RIDER DECADE EPISODE 1 - “RIDER WAR” A blistering introduction to the World of Decade. It’s an apocalypse from the jump, as Tsukasa’s life of bad/prophetic/allegorical photography gives way to an army of Heisei monsters that are as eager to devour each other as they are to obliterate Japan. Tsukasa and Natsumi struggle through multiple barren landscapes and/or Kamen Rider landmarks (it starts in a quarry!!!), using the power of the Heisei Riders to keep from being killed. But can the power of Kamen Rider Decade save reality, or will Tsukasa end up destroying it? And are those two options maybe the same thing? Quote:
ZATYME: but yeah Tsukasa has so many different sides to him in the first episode, we see that he's not really malicious with his poor photography but also doesn't care about basically duping people into helping him try to improve, he kind of has a Ryotaro or Wataru chew toy thing going on with Natsumandarin while also being fairly protective and heroic hot having any ulterior motive beyond wanting to save Natsumikan
but we also see a bit of Tendou's ego slip through in his body language primarily and considering his main gimmick as a rider is becoming all of his predecessors it feels like it fits that he also takes after them in terms of his character traits also the fact that despite not knowing what's going on with the Decade thing he instinctively knows not only how to use the Decadriver but what rider power is best for what type of monster while also realizing that he shouldn't be expending these powers as fast as he is and that something isn't right with that implying on a subconscious level he's intimately familiar with them KAMEN RIDER DIE: The weirdest thing to me is how - and I love that take on Tsukasa as a composite Rider - it all adds up to Tsukasa being, like, Kamen Rider Everyman? I'm used to his later appearances (Movie Wars, Wizard) where Decade is this all-knowing mystery man. Here, he's just... basic? He's self-involved, but not a dick. He's heroic, but more in a I Don't Want The World To End Because I Live There sort of way. He's relatable, which is completely not the word I thought I'd use to describe Tsukasa. He's an okay dude? Am I getting that right, at this point in his story?r Quote:
KAMEN RIDER DIE: But that's the thing - I wouldn't call it plain? It's more like he's trying not to get in the way, trying not to overshadow the premise. He's, like, being a good host? I don't know. I'm sure he'll get weirder as the show goes on -slash- his hair gets longer, as is the arc of every lead Rider for a series.
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KAMEN RIDER DIE: Maybe the only thing that doesn't work for me on Decade's suit is the shoulders, but I always always always have a problem with a suit's shoulders. Decade's are a little too boxy, a little too floppy. Not nearly as slick as streamlined as everything else on his suit.
But I dig it. I like his Driver, I like the collectibles, I like how he's got a little binder he keeps them in like a proper nerd, I like the way the Decadriver opens and closes for different moves... I really like the Decadriver's kineticism. It's tactile in a way that's my preference for Kamen Rider. And the suit is silky smooth. I like how the colors move horizontally, like the lines on the mask. The symmetry of the colors works against the asymmetry of the X on the torso, and that's very eye-catching. The right amount of friction. I guess, on the topic of friction and whatnot, we can maybe talk about this episode's Very Special Guest Star, and the mission he gives Tsukasa. I was not expecting to see Wataru today! Even if he's, like, Cosmic Wataru or whatever, but still! Quote:
Doing the pre-show chats with everyone, I found that Decade was a lot of people's first Rider shows, which I still can't wrap my head around. It's like making Endgame your first Marvel movie. None of the shocking returns make any sense! There're a million monsters and heroes from other shows! Wataru is in this, and you'd only understand why that's cool if you watched Kiva! AND THAT'S ONLY IN THE FIRST EPISODE! Watching Decade first is so backwards to how my brain works, and I love that you all think it's normal. So fun to see that perspective and hear that logic.
Just asking, I know you'd probably also long for more of that type of protagonist, but would you be the type to insist that protagonists should always be made to be like them? (those 2 are together common favorites yes I know).
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08-16-2021, 05:31 AM | #15 |
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08-16-2021, 06:12 AM | #16 |
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I'll back up Journey Through the Decade for being a great opening. It's very different in how melancholy and moody it is, and it fits Tsukasa's more offbeat character.
But yeah, Decade's intro wastes no time throwing you right into the thick of it, and not explaining any of it. Certainly looks cool, though! (And, of course, Gokaiger pulled the same trick in its first episode, but I'll let the net movies argue over how one stole from the other).
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08-16-2021, 07:00 AM | #17 |
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2009 was the year where Super Sentai gave us the Kobayashi-penned Samurai Sentai Shinkenger, a band of millenial samurais that fought the demons of the netherworld using kanji. Meanwhile, Kamen Rider gave us this funky new rider. From the suit to the color scheme and the setup of episode 1 this was such a wild card I did not know what to expect and was awestruck that the 10th Heisei rider was one that could transform into previous riders. Keep in mind, this was pre-Gokaiger times and that gimmick alone was some next level stuff.
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08-16-2021, 09:41 AM | #18 |
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Firstly, thanks Zatyme for going first and showing everybody what to expect for the episode watch section of the discussion!
And thanks Die for sparing so much time to host this big project! It must be a lot of work and preparation for something like this. Quote:
I remember watching the Ex-Aid/Ghost movie, first crossover movie I ever watched, and assuming that the random cop who keeps showing up must be someone from Ghost's show.
That was Shinnosuke, Kamen Rider Drive. My brain makes bad/wrong assumptions! No wonder you could all handle watching Decade before the other shows and I couldn't! I'll be sure to talk about my worst case of recognition failure later, although that was partially due to what I consider a problem with the show's execution, not just my lack of experience. Takeru's and Shinnosuke's sudden friendship in HeiGen was strange though, considering how their only previous canon interaction was in Drive's final arc, where Ghost appeared exclusively in-suit. But in that movie, Takeru and Shinnosuke are best buds for some reason. I can't blame you for mistaking them for being from the same show. So what you're saying is, you're going to Ride The Wind? And that's how you know it's Aruto! Quote:
That's the tragedy of it. Tsukasa always excels at everything the World Of [insert Rider] needs him to do, but the thing he actually enjoys as a hobby, photography, he sucks at. Decade is a generalist, being a collection of 9 preceding Riders all with their own identities and dreams for the future and that's part of why Tsukasa feels so ostracized and rejected by the world. He can't have a dream for the future cause he doesn't even have a present or a past he can cling to. He's a passing through Kamen Rider, like a ghost who passes through his own life, without understanding his place or what he's supposed to do. That's why, unlike Zi-O which is a celebration of Kamen Rider, Decade is more like what connects Kamen Rider across spacetime, being the first major crossover in the Heisei Era and Tsukasa's adventure is also about finding out what Kamen Rider Decade means to him, separate from the legacy he's inheriting.
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08-16-2021, 11:45 AM | #19 |
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As for the first episode, I did like the fact that we have an experienced hero* who’s lost his memories and is essentially a rookie. Especially with him losing all his powers and having to regain them (one thing I didn’t like about this show’s rough Sentai equivalent Gokaiger was that they just give them most of the past hero powers from the get go, with the only missing ones being ones they’ll never use anyway). And the massive destruction of the world does seem like the sort of precursor to a multiversal threat.
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Oh right, the big war sequence as opening which later Gaim kinda replicates here. Though Decade is iirc less received than other series in the franchise, doesn't mean every single thing should be viewed the same way, and I'd view Decade's big war sequence better than Gaim, but not only due to the varied participants (tbf for Gaim, the participants and non-participants are deeply plot related too) like the abundance of Riders and also their assistants like the Contract Monsters, DenLiner, Castle Doran, etc. but also the varied ability the pariticpants use like Zolda's Final Vent.
Decade's intro is sort of that, with Decade being some apocalyptic figure, but it's really more about characters you already have an investment in getting slaughtered. It's not really about the mystery, it's about the stakes: this is an event bigger than all nine series put together. Quote:
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But yeah, Decade's intro wastes no time throwing you right into the thick of it, and not explaining any of it. Certainly looks cool, though! (And, of course, Gokaiger pulled the same trick in its first episode, but I'll let the net movies argue over how one stole from the other).
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2009 was the year where Super Sentai gave us the Kobayashi-penned Samurai Sentai Shinkenger, a band of millenial samurais that fought the demons of the netherworld using kanji. Meanwhile, Kamen Rider gave us this funky new rider. From the suit to the color scheme and the setup of episode 1 this was such a wild card I did not know what to expect and was awestruck that the 10th Heisei rider was one that could transform into previous riders. Keep in mind, this was pre-Gokaiger times and that gimmick alone was some next level stuff.
I'm happy to do it! And, yeah, Zatyme killed it, right? I learned a lot on this episode, and they helped make that possible.
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08-16-2021, 11:50 AM | #20 |
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Love Decade. Love love love Decade! A beautiful love letter to the Heisei Era of Kamen Rider at that point and everything it tried to do while also serving as a commentary on the nature of its storytelling. Oh, and it's just fucking fun to boot! I hope you enjoy this one
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