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06-08-2021, 10:27 PM | #501 |
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Ooh, that is a tempting offer. I know which episodes I'd want to do, too, but I'm afraid that they'd probably get too much into spoiler territory since they aren't part of the Heisei tributes (so actually not Hibiki). Will have to think about how to approach that.
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06-08-2021, 10:36 PM | #502 |
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Well in that case consider it a maybe, I'll need to think on it some more. But I do enjoy bouncing off people so I might join in.
Admittedly as I think on it, yeah I'm a weird guy at least in terms of watching Rider. Watched W, OOO, then Decade. And Decade basically decided the three Phase 1 Rider's I watched on the basis of "This looked cool" and that's that. Like I saw Decade, heard it was an anniversary type deal and am like "Sure let's hop in and have some fun" without any care in the world. That might've helped most of my perception on it at the time to where I never got a lot of the hate. I've heard from a few different fans that they came into Rider or Sentai through anniversary seasons, and that's really fascinating to me. I don't want to press too much on it (maybe we'll get a chance to talk about it for the Decade thread!), but it's so opposite from how I'd approach a franchise that it makes me curious. It sounds like it worked out for you! Quote:
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06-09-2021, 12:46 AM | #503 |
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However, I acknowledge that there are a lot of shows after Hibiki that I did not watch, partly out of childish protest at the manner in which Toei dealt with that show—I know, I know, executives at Toei were no doubt screaming in panic at the sudden loss of their foreign cat lady demographic—so I would be happy to cover shows that no one else likes whilst going in totally blind if that helps? Please don't worry if this is not convenient though! I'm looking forward to reading what you guys come up with regardless! |
06-09-2021, 01:02 AM | #504 |
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I think this is lovely, and I would absolutely use this occasion to talk about the HK English dub if given half a chance, and I want to put myself forward... but I can't think of three Heisei shows including Decade that I am genuinely passionate about. Like all good people, I obviously like Hibiki, and ah, that's maybe it.
However, I acknowledge that there are a lot of shows after Hibiki that I did not watch, partly out of childish protest at the manner in which Toei dealt with that show—I know, I know, executives at Toei were no doubt screaming in panic at the sudden loss of their foreign cat lady demographic—so I would be happy to cover shows that no one else likes whilst going in totally blind if that helps? Please don't worry if this is not convenient though! I'm looking forward to reading what you guys come up with regardless! Like... this is just a slightly codified version of what we're all doing right now! And all the time! Anyone who's like Oh I Don't Think I Could Talk About Kamen Rider Shows... I assure you that you can. I don't... I don't want people to think I'm twisting their arms or anything. I just think you'd all be really good at this, and I think you'd help make something really fun and special. I'd hate for anyone to deprive themselves of that chance due to nerves or self-doubt. If you really aren't into the idea, that's fine. But if you're into the idea and you're talking yourself out of it? Please don't!
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06-09-2021, 01:08 AM | #505 |
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More clarifications!
Ideally, the roster of folks that'd be pitching in on this project would be 10. One for each Heisei Phase 1 show, including Decade. (I'd really, really love to kick things off with a Decade fan.) With the Showa stuff, maybe we could have someone double up for that part, I don't know. I don't know how often the Showa stuff comes up, if it's worth having an 11th Showa person. So, when I say A List Of Three Shows, that's not me asking people to contribute for three different stories in Decade. That's just to give me some options for assignments and scheduling. Ideally, people are only responsible for one show; for only the Agito episodes of Decade, for example. I hope this feels a little less daunting now!
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06-09-2021, 03:13 AM | #506 |
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06-09-2021, 03:55 AM | #507 |
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Well, that would be king of awkward, considering Decade is the phase 1 show I’m the third most passionate about. If I had to pick a second, it would be Kabuto. Plus I already decided what my regular feature is for the next thread, so if I was helping write the main posts, I’m worried about it being redundant or unnecessary.
Not saying I wouldn’t like to take part in some form. Last edited by Androzani84; 06-09-2021 at 06:27 AM.. |
06-09-2021, 07:18 AM | #508 |
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Very minor spoilers(I guess?) but it's for the sake of the project: Blade is the only Phase 1 show that gets two tributes instead of just one during Decade, and there's also a tribute to Shinkenger as well.. Won't say the context as to why, but yeah. So ya know, incase people who want in on this are really passionate about Blade or love Sentai more than others, there ya go.
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06-09-2021, 07:22 AM | #509 |
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I've read about the Decade talk, it's likely will be a different experience when it unfolds...
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Before I said too about how a womanizer has either 2 outcome, being fiercely protective to any women and likely detrimental to non-women (like Otoya), or being detrimental to the women itself for the objectification and tactless approach (like Spider Fangire). While Otoya doesn't have exactly zero decency traits, like a few of his amicable interactions with certain male which is Oomura before and Nago in this episode (and he still wants to gloat and gain glory for his deeds saving him), I'd (and likely those people who discuss about Otoya before that has watched entire Kiva) think it's a big stretch to label him as "generally decent" or "champion of justice" for being mainly caring and protective of only certain part of humans, like women only (applies likely either to "only loved ones" bias or sexism double standard as in Daisuke in Kabuto). Quote:
KAMEN RIDER KIVA EPISODE 27 - “80s: ANGRY RISING BLUE”
The best part of this whole sequence, beyond Kengo’s delight at officially becoming Nago’s student, is how stock this story is - heroes framed for a crime by a villain! - until you make Nago the protagonist. He’s so colossally unsuited to freeing wrongly accused friends, since a) he doesn’t even believe in the term “wrongly accused”, and b) he doesn’t even believe in the term “friends”. Megumi and Shima might as well be asking Rook to free them. Putting Nago in a position of altruistic heroism is so uncomfortable for him, and it’s a really cool starting place for this story. Quote:
The first thing to go wrong is Rising IXA, which… I mean, what the hell is even going on with Rising IXA. It’s got a cellphone that appears out of thin air, like we’re watching Faiz or something (it even unlocks with a variation on Kaixa’s 9-1-3 code!), and then it’s just a mess of a suit. The chest panel is now some red starburst furnace? The helmet is a samurai? There’s a heart-shaped choker?! And the color palette, man. Red and blue and white and gold and silver? Crazy. Way too busy. I don’t know why I was expecting more from the W.A.K.E.U.P. design team that gave us the Ixcavator, but I suppose I was. I guess some things just peaked in the 80s.
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Well, maybe not everything was great in the 80s. After getting rescued from the cops by Tanahashi, a painter who IXA nearly killed back in ‘86, we finally get the details of this scheme. Tanahashi blames IXA and all of W.A.K.E.U.P. not just for his injuries, but for the mysterious disappearance of his muse: Maya! Since his recovery in the late 80s, Tanahashi has - and I swear to god that this is his explanation - trained to be a cop, spending decades rising through the ranks, all to have the kind of authority that would allow him to frame multiple people for crimes.
Though yeah, although it's not entirely known about Castle Doran, the solution here can seem like a cop out, to suddenly have something that allows people to time travel to the past. I'd say Otoya possessing Wataru in the present is similarly unexplained... yet. What I want to happen within Nago strolling in the past is to get to know about how both people are the parents of people he closely works with; Wataru for Otoya and Megumi for Yuri respectively. There's an ongoing conflict of Nago with Otoya for finding out that he's an IXA user too. Though probably it's not introduced the best way, Taiga is another major character for this series to be introduced this late, like Mio before. I don't know how and when Wataru and Shizuka met, but it seems that they met after him and Taiga are separated, and Wataru is always made fun or chastised by his timid nature like not having friends.
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06-09-2021, 10:07 AM | #510 |
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Well, that would be king of awkward, considering Decade is the phase 1 show I’m the third most passionate about. If I had to pick a second, it would be Kabuto. Plus I already decided what my regular feature is for the next thread, so if I was helping write the main posts, I’m worried about it being redundant or unnecessary.
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Very minor spoilers(I guess?) but it's for the sake of the project: Blade is the only Phase 1 show that gets two tributes instead of just one during Decade, and there's also a tribute to Shinkenger as well.. Won't say the context as to why, but yeah. So ya know, incase people who want in on this are really passionate about Blade or love Sentai more than others, there ya go.
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While Otoya doesn't have exactly zero decency traits, like a few of his amicable interactions with certain male which is Oomura before and Nago in this episode (and he still wants to gloat and gain glory for his deeds saving him), I'd (and likely those people who discuss about Otoya before that has watched entire Kiva) think it's a big stretch to label him as "generally decent" or "champion of justice" for being mainly caring and protective of only certain part of humans, like women only (applies likely either to "only loved ones" bias or sexism double standard as in Daisuke in Kabuto).
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I think, Tanahashi is a reflection of Nago himself, he's done to likely represent what Nago was in the past. Like how Nago is hell-bent to destroy Kiva, same goes for Tanahashi to destroy IXA, and for Tanahashi, he's doing it because an incident in the past that he almost got killed due to IXA's attack, and likely same goes for Nago as he thinks Kiva is an evil incarnate. Nago is purposely made as the protagonist in the episode to deal with practically his own previous self, the one even more vicious as in never admitting mistakes or weakness (Nago did for weakness just at last episode). And Tanahashi looking at the organization that he despise and subverting it is a type of villainy that is similar to Kusaka (and Nago had Kusaka traits too before), gaining full prejudice (with pettiness) to everyone involved with the organization, without ifs, ands, and buts, which is to end every single people got involved with Aozora.
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