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05-13-2021, 09:46 PM | #151 |
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I just realized, isn’t Inoue influenced by Showa rider when writing his series? Is that true?
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05-14-2021, 02:21 AM | #152 |
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Yeah, I guess I must’ve ignored the abuse undertones. Moving on...
Prawn Fangire True name: The Candlestick and the Compass Promise a Party (燭台と方位磁石が契る宴 Shokudai to Hōijishaku ga Chigiru Utage) Human identity: Count Inukai Class: Aqua Rank: Pawn Actors: Sakaki And the first thing I remember from this two-parter: It’s not actually something in the episodes, but a fun thing Tv-Nihon did with a scene of Megumi with a fish in her mouth. Namely, captioning it “Remember kids, don’t talk with food in your mouth. People won’t understand what you say. Yo Joe!” |
05-14-2021, 02:07 PM | #153 |
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Yeah, I don't think you have to worry about Wataru, who is an incredibly sweet boy, losing his empathy for others. It's not a zero-sum thing. He can find a deeper connection with Megumi and find a deeper connection to humanity. (Or, at the very least, find a way of putting into words something he's felt for a while.) It's kind of a main thing in this story!
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It’s just, Nago is so relentlessly callous and controlling here that it is heartbreaking to watch Wataru get so spun around. When Nago is screaming at Wataru to ignore anyone who would contradict him; that only Nago will ever tell Wataru the truth… DARK! Very dark stuff, and it’s honestly hard to deal with Wataru getting so manipulated.
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05-14-2021, 02:12 PM | #154 |
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Nothing about this stayed in my long term memory, so it felt like a completely new experience. I do enjoy the double act of Megumi and Nago, but it is slightly dampened by the fact that you're absolutely right about Nago being an abusive jerk and the behavior becomes much worse when he's paired with Wataru. Megumi, at least, refuses to take Nago's shit, but Wataru just stands there and accepts it like a complete doormat.
This is part of why I've never really liked Wataru. He's passive and reactionary in ways that make him a complete pushover for anyone with a stronger force of personality. He knows it, too, but his response is usually to sulk in his tub instead of trying to stand up for himself. I always compare him unfavorably to Ryotaro, who also had more of a weenie exterior but had a strong core of resolve and inner strength underneath it. Wataru often comes across to me as weenie all the way down. Not always, but often enough that it tends to frustrate me. In any case, I'm looking forward to the next episode. It has what is, to me, the single most quintessentially Kiva moment in the entire series. |
05-14-2021, 02:15 PM | #155 |
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I don't really see Kamen Rider as a franchise that values saving people over improving lives? I mean, the whole Heisei era is living in the shadow of Protecting People's Smiles, and that comes from a show about the horrible cost of violence. I don't think you need to worry about Kamen Rider forgetting about the innocents!
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05-14-2021, 02:22 PM | #156 |
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This is part of why I've never really liked Wataru. He's passive and reactionary in ways that make him a complete pushover for anyone with a stronger force of personality. He knows it, too, but his response is usually to sulk in his tub instead of trying to stand up for himself. I always compare him unfavorably to Ryotaro, who also had more of a weenie exterior but had a strong core of resolve and inner strength underneath it. Wataru often comes across to me as weenie all the way down. Not always, but often enough that it tends to frustrate me.
A lot of it... it's that this story has no one looking out for Wataru. It should be Megumi, but she's so wrapped up in her rivalry with Nago that she can't really see how this is hurting Wataru. Again, this is a story that's probably going to land harder for kids of divorce, where the children become less important than Winning against an ex. It's part of the narrative that Wataru is being buffeted by Nago's iron grip and Megumi's hot temper. So, I mean, I know what you're saying. I do not love seeing Wataru depressed in a bathtub! But there's an element of it feeling necessary to this story that... I don't know. I'm coming around a bit on it. It helps that I'm not experiencing it anymore, because that was rough. Definitely improves in the memory.
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05-14-2021, 02:29 PM | #157 |
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Wataru's problem is that he really needs someone caring and responsible to look out for him and help him out of his shell, but he's in a Toshiki Inoue series so those are in very short supply.
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In a larger sense, though... I don't want to jump out to Big Proclamations after only seven episodes, but there's a feeling here that we're watching Inoue's take on Hibiki. Not Inoue trying to land Hibiki, but what Hibiki would've been if Inoue had created it. Kiva's a series that's devoted to how Wataru grows up, essentially. It's about how the forces in his life shape him into a man. In Hibiki, Asumu has one clear person to pattern himself after, because that's the type of show it was. With Kiva, Inoue is introducing a bunch of competing forces in Wataru's life, and Wataru is the eye of the storm. So, like, it's not that Inoue hasn't written in someone who can nurture and guide Wataru. If anything, he's introducing a bunch of people who are offering to do that for different reasons (some good, some Nago), and it's Wataru's journey to figure out what he can learn from those people.
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05-14-2021, 03:51 PM | #159 |
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That’s a pretty good take on it. I also feel that if Inoue had more of a hand in creating Hibiki, some of the other Oni would’ve had larger roles than showing up purely to remind us they exist. Or at least, the novel version would do that, since novels based on Inoue’s shows tend to do that. (Kiva’s novel, among other changes, makes Shizuka a key part of the plot).
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That’s a pretty good take on it. I also feel that if Inoue had more of a hand in creating Hibiki, some of the other Oni would’ve had larger roles than showing up purely to remind us they exist. Or at least, the novel version would do that, since novels based on Inoue’s shows tend to do that. (Kiva’s novel, among other changes, makes Shizuka a key part of the plot).
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