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02-21-2022, 05:31 PM | #11 |
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02-22-2022, 12:06 PM | #12 |
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Don't know regarding this, this is not an objectively bad episode, but this episode has something that I'm really opposed against. After Tatsuhiko (to Hiromi) before, now it's expanded to Vice (to Ikki), Aguilera (to Tamaki), and the MOTW stuff that is also related to this, Mayu (to Kuuki Kaidan, already expected to be her for the one behind the Deadmans) for doing the cruel to be kind thing, and they're quite glorified in their approach in this episode, other than Sakura being exasperated why everyone hides their feelings so much. And it's shown that sooner or later they'd reveal their actual intentions anyway when they're actually confronted.... it just shows that this cruel to be kind thing would just add up unnecessary fake drama and conflict (and it did happen to Tatsuhiko and Hiromi before too), or outright villainy in Mayu's part, and actually the best way of showing care to others is being plain straightforward. Those 3 people are expected to pull a cruel to be kind approach yeah, but to glorify those (except Mayu, still taken to Fenix rehab).... yeesh... what's next? Tamaki's (and Yosuke's) bullies are excused as only trying to "toughen him up"?
Aside from that, does this episode show that Sakura is no longer edgy (not completely as what she did to Genta) as in agreeing and supporting pragmatic and underhanded methods anymore? Previously she's onboard with people like Seiko robbing banks to cure her child. But now she tells Mayu to stop her schemes, and also sympathizing with her after Shark and Elephant Deadmen's defeat. That's actually the most diplomatic approach someone can do to people like that, and is actually similar to the approach most main Riders will do. And on her behalf, a new Evil (the Rider name too, y'know) vs evil scenario had happened in form of Kagerou fighting Olteca (as usual, Kagerou will appear when Daiji as Live is beaten), and the reason is both funny and in-line with his character, to save the person that can make him his favorite food, the ultra spicy curry. Demons vs Evil rematch in the opposite scenario to Hiromi's debut, Demons as the powerhouse here and Evil has to stop Demons while defending the Igarashis. Kagerou seems to be... better than both sibilings to be able to drive away Olteca despite being overwhelmed too. Still doesn't mean that Kagerou has become good or something, it's a specific person that pleases Kagerou that he saved. So Weekend's a bigger organization than I expected, the apparent head of it is Prof. Karizaki, George's father who wasn't actually dead (or it's male Shroud). Now this actually does make me suspicious of Weekend, as Prof. Karizaki was an extremist that launched the idea of separating demons from humans (and turned them nuisance/threats like Vice at first or Kagerou). Unless Prof. Karizaki has changed his ways now, but dunno. George too has learned Weekend by spying on Hikaru (who now Genta asked instead of Sakura, and likely Hikaru wasn't kidding of it being nothing between them if he only wanted to get Sakura to join Weekend and... meaning their friendship would be fake), and previously before that, George orders Fenix soldiers to capture Vice and experiment on him. Now I guess it's the first time that the Fenix soldiers are used for morally questionable deeds by the authority of the higher ups. I thought before the bad thing regarding Fenix is the higher ups and that other members are actually usually good (including rehabilitating Mayu at the end). Other than her reason of behaving that way to Tamaki, Aguilera now also seems to have trust in Sakura as well to rely on her for taking care of Tamaki like she did to Lovekov (without someone to protect her, she acts as a weakness to interfere in the fight while can't do anything...), and not finishing her off (and it's also in-line with her characterization to be really bossy and hates being ordered), while she goes to achieve her own goals. Still Aguilera only benefitted 2 people so far, Tamaki and Sakura, and her schemes to bring forth Giff can doom others while also working with Olteca (acting bossy as usual), she picked favorites (dunno if she'd sacrifice Sakura for Giff like before) to be spared and it's only 2 so far. Though her behavior is useful in this episode to advance the plot towards solving the Kukki Kaidan incident, with Daiji figuring out that Vice is also pretending to be an ass to defend Ikki while Ikki figures it out too from both to discover the perpetrator behind Shark and Elephant Deadmen, as usual with his deductive skills. The preview did quite a good job to deceive that Vice is a traitor to Ikki as he's the one to gain control of the body now, and I did thought that Ikki and Vice's relationship would regress back due to Vice's behavior here (or his evil laugh at his body control previously), but cruel to be kind thing aside, this does actually show how Ikki and Vice has become much closer than the beginning. Ikki deals with Vice's hijinks more patiently compared to the beginning where Ikki would lash out at practically everything Vice does, despite that Vice caused Ikki disadvantage by spending Ikki's money for Vice's own behalf, learning it from watching Doraemon as per his voice actor (or probably it could be an idea for both of them to enjoy their time together later, releasing Vice to play arcade games together). He's also relatively patient when he calls out Vice for meddling in his affairs... hypocritically as Sakura and Daiji pointed out. Probably that should be a lesson for Ikki to not be a busybody... as in him receiving that himself (and hypocritically calls Vice out). And as the twist of the preview, Vice does care for Ikki that he'd want to return Ikki back (and likely it did as shown in the preview), giving up his freedom. Vice also likely has shown to be better demon as well that he didn't eat humans while being in control of his body, though Vice is still attention seeking with the new promotion in #IkkiInMyEar and #NiceVice. Still other than the cruel to be kind approach causing problems, it's not necessary either for Vice to waste Ikki's money either to keep him away from George.
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02-23-2022, 07:39 AM | #13 |
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Ok...Everyone seem to know who Prof Karizaki is....where did he appear, and when?
Aaaarg I hate when movie stuff are included in the series >.> |
02-23-2022, 07:47 AM | #14 |
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Episode 1. George mentions him as the one who developed the Vistamps in the first episode. So, it makes perfect sense that he managed to create the Libera Driver and Rolling Vistamp whereas George couldn't because he understood the stamps more.
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02-23-2022, 02:37 PM | #15 |
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I think this is the first episode of ReVice that I was disappointed by. Not that it was bad as such, just well short of the standard that the series has set so far.
George immediately going full on "dissect him!" made no sense. Vice lying about why he noped out at that point also made no sense. This setup only served to pad out the episode and keep Ikki/Vice mostly off screen while the writers moved some other stuff around. Kagerou and Aguilera's respective beats were good, but I don't think it was necessary to make such a mess just to get those out. Then the MOTW story was resolved almost as an afterthought, and while the villain twist was nice enough I didn't get her motivations (though I may have just missed a relevant line of dialogue). So a rare subpar episode, but I feel that ReVice has managed to set such a high bar that an off week here is still better than a good week for certain recent series. |
02-23-2022, 06:42 PM | #16 |
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George immediately going full on "dissect him!" made no sense. Vice lying about why he noped out at that point also made no sense. This setup only served to pad out the episode and keep Ikki/Vice mostly off screen while the writers moved some other stuff around. Kagerou and Aguilera's respective beats were good, but I don't think it was necessary to make such a mess just to get those out.
Then the MOTW story was resolved almost as an afterthought, and while the villain twist was nice enough I didn't get her motivations (though I may have just missed a relevant line of dialogue). I do agree with the MOTW story tho, it should've been left out and the focus should've been more the characters. |
02-23-2022, 07:10 PM | #17 |
Hmm....
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I really want Revice have more two episode arc style again with various MOTW until episode 40 but still focusing on main plot.
Revice without MOTW plot is like sweet cake without strawberry. Double, OOO, and Drive are really good handling two episode arc storyline style. Last edited by Blade Fang; 02-23-2022 at 07:12 PM.. |
02-25-2022, 02:19 PM | #18 |
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They did it! They did the Rider Punch!
This two-parter was really good, could it have been better? Maybe, but I'm happy with what we got. Especially Jack Revice, which I have to say again, is probably my favorite Revice upgrade form, from the design to the fighting style, it all works so well. Also, our boy Kagerou's back, the evil tsundere. I'm glad he can still make appearances every now and then. Even better seeing him go toe-to-toe with Olteca Demons. As for Weekend's leader, I have doubts that it's Hiromi, since it seems Weekend's been active for a while now, even existing before Hiromi bites the dust. Plus, since he supposedly developed the Libera Driver and Rolling ViStamp, something I don't think Hiromi is at all capable of, what if he's something like George's Demon, or just using his name to stir conflict? I don't know I could be completely wrong, like how we're still not sure what's going on with the pictures. Next Episode: Ikki (probably) learns how to get his body back. |
02-26-2022, 02:43 AM | #19 |
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Kagerou's implementation is good here but c'mon, elevating his actions as just being tsundere? It only means that Kagerou won't do the same to other people as what he did to Sakura there, because others don't have a value to Kagerou like Sakura does in her curry; Kagerou is still evil and him fighting Olteca is evil vs evil (Olteca for sure doesn't only have Igarashis or Hiromi as his foes).
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