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08-04-2021, 12:08 AM | #71 |
Avi by @CSarracenian
Join Date: Jul 2016
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The idea that Kimura thinks black people or anyone are "genetically inferior" is complete speculation on your part. It's a huge leap in logic. And it's funny that you say I missed your point when you completely make up my point, I never once said that what Kimura did was "completely harmless."
Did you bother looking up those 5 roles in 2018? One of those is an unlisted cameo, these aren't big money making parts. The movie in 2019? An Italian co-production. And his 2020 movie (which he produced likely the only reason he still even had the part) was buried due to what happened to Depp according the director. He's not going to be in the next Pirates film or Fantastic Beasts sequels. This is a blacklisting. I don't know why you can't concede this point. Again, you continue to misinterpret my stance. When have I ever said criticism is bad? Do you know how crimes are charged? There's degrees of punishment for them. And before you misinterpret this point as well, no I'm not backpedaling that his offensive jokes are crimes this is just a thought exercise. As for your history of abuse, that's awful that happened to you. But I don't need to bring up me or my family's history with it especially to win dumb internet arguments. I don't think you're downplaying victims because you don't believe Depp's career was damaged. Who cares. What is, that you have you to even acknowledge the DOCUMENTED evidence of Depp's physical and emotional abuse at the hands of Amber Heard. I linked to them already in my posts but I have heard zilch on them. Even earlier in this post you said that Johnny " waited 2 years to fight the claims." That sounds a lot like when people scrutinize abuse victims for taking too long to work up the courage to speak about their abuse. If this is not intentional on your part then I think you really, really need to work on how you discuss this. I feel blacklisting means entire career dying permanently, especially as I doubt this will be for long at all which was my point, people who get 'canceled' bounce back, to be fair I didn't know Depp's role for PotC wasn't guaranteed, so my apologies for that, but again, I doubt this will actually stay, especially after the counter lawsuit. Granted if you ask me, the same will happen to Heard as this is especially common for big Hollywood names. Your stance on this looks like the typical defence of "Well, there's worse stuff out there so this means nothing" so you'll have to forgive me if your stance was actually different despite using the same points. My first comment on that was that not all information was available then as Depp hadn't yet started his counter claims until just last year, meaning there was no reason to heavily doubt Heard's claims, especially as last I checked, 97% percent of abuse allegations are true with only the remaining 3% be false claims, meaning there was no real reason to doubt it. I simply explained why the perception was so different between the two for the longest time and I felt my personal opinions on the matter weren't relevant to the point
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08-16-2021, 02:51 PM | #72 |
Zenryoku Zenkai!
Join Date: May 2021
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I feel like I'm dredging things up since this thread sorta died, but someone asked about the timeline for the Kimura posts before, and now I beleive that I have the answers
According to Kyoudai Express and the info they gathered, apparently the image of Kimura in black face is from 2018 While the one of him mocking lip plates is from 2020 Not sure exactly what their sources are for this, but at the very least 2018 lines up with when people I've talked to remeber first seeing it show up online And it appears to be true that there has never been any apology or acknowledgment at all, at least not any known one So it seems worth reiterating: This isn't smth someone unearthered that he did a decade ago, it's recent, as well as a recurring trend over time So all in all, I just still fail to see why there's any pushback against the argument of "this guy should not be playing a super hero for kids" If you're going to watch the show that's fine, but why is anyone defending this guy, or trying to argue what he did "isn't that bad"? It just makes no sense to me If you understand that what this guy did was bad but can still watch the show that's totally fine, but if you need to rationalize that his behaviour is somehow okay to justify watching the show, just stop To be honest, if you're trying to rationalize or normalize ANY actor's shitty behaviour to justify to yourself why it's okay to watch a show, please take some time to evaluate if that's a healthy way to be thinking Last edited by TheJaz; 08-24-2021 at 10:17 PM.. Reason: Clarification |
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