Kamen Rider Gavv Episode 27- "Sour & Sweet To The Point of Burning" Discussion
 

A new weapon and Gochizo combination proves a dangerous threat.

It was likely to happen, but Suga is evil AF for what he did to Hanto's mentor.

Hanto visits Kenzou's crummy office/lab, and, in a very very very convenient coincidence, he sees Kenzou talking with 2 Dark Shoumas. He's obviously pissed off and confronts Kenzou. Kenzou's scheme is exposed, and he's telling the 2 Dark Shoumas @ 00:53 that that's why he told them not to come out. Well, Kenzou, if you're pissed off because your scheme is exposed (like you show @ 01:58), then why the heck do you keep your pets (the Dark Shoumas) at your crummy office/lab and create unnecessary risk of being very very very easily discovered by Hanto?:eyebrow:eyebrow:eyebrow Why didn't you keep them at another place, Kenzou?:eyebrow:eyebrow:eyebrow The answer is clear: Because the writers needed him to do so in order to move the plot. If he had a tiny dose of common sense then he would've immediately kept the Dark Shoumas at another place, safe from anyone's eyes, let alone Hanto's, the very person he's been manipulating.*facepalm Kenzou keeping the Dark Shoumas at his crummy office/lab is identical to an unfaithful man keeping his mistress at the same house he's living with his wife, haha.:lol:lol:lol That's how utterly stoooooooooopid this story is. As usual, this is just another proof (among a gazillion other) of how pathetically, laughably, indefensibly lazy, cheap, sloppy, heavy-handed, and atrocious KR Gavv's story is. *facepalm while vomiting from the cringe-inducing stupidity of this story

Again, in a very very very convenient coincidence, Shouma and Sachika find the unconscious Hanto lying at the side of a road @ 04:02. Yea, without a gazillion of awfully convenient coincidences like this, the convoluted plot wouldn't have been possible at all. Shouma wants to take Hanto to Kenzou's crummy office/lab, but Hanto declines and tells Shouma that Kenzou's dangerous, so Shouma takes him to Dente's cave instead. Shouma is surprised to see the Chocold RG, an RG he has never produced. He tries asking it about what has happened to Hanto, but it stays silent, even after being connected to Shouma's Gavvphone. Shouma then decides to ask Kenzou directly about what he has done to Hanto.

Kenzou is looking at his computer's screen which is showing vital signs for Bitter Gavv at the left side, Hanto at the right side, and in the center is showing a human baby with the code K. What does that code K stand for? Does it stand for his own name (Kenzou), which means that he's creating clones of himself? That could be the case, like I hypothesized several hours ago in my post in episode 26 thread here. Let me repost my hypothesis in that post:
"After seeing how easy it is in this story to clone a person, I see that there's a possibility that Kenzou himself might've been a clone as well. Perhaps he has been secretly creating several high-quality clones of himself (without expedited growth, unlike the Dark Shoumas) as a precautionary measure against Nyelv's betrayal? The Dark Shouma's are basically low-quality clones due to the expedited growth, like the Clone Troopers/the Grand Army of the Republic in Star Wars, and Kenzou's clones could be high-quality clones of himself, similar to how Boba Fett was a normally grown clone human created from Jango Fett's DNA. I see a very high chance that Nyelv would ultimately betray Kenzou, and I'd like to see Nyelv's reaction when he found out that Kenzou has actually created several clones (and even an army of clone Rider troopers) as a countermeasure against his scheme. If KR Gotchard had Glion, then KR Gavv has Kenzou."

Shouma confronts Kenzou and bluntly asks him what the heck he has done to Hanto, and what the black RG (Chocold RG) is. As usual, Kenzou is just playing dumb by saying that he's just trying to make Hanto stronger because that's what both Hanto and he want. Just as Kenzou asks for Shouma's help, to Shouma's surprise, a KR Bitter Gavv (as usual) conveniently appears out of nowhere and captures the untransformed Shouma.

Hanto asks Dente what the heck's wrong with his body, and Dente answers @ 09:21 that the Granute organ that was transplanted into his body that's allowed him to transform into KR Valen becomes too overly active and causes great strain to his heart when he uses the Chocold RG's. He says that the maximum limit that can be withstood by Hanto's body is probably the usage of normal RG's produced by Shouma. Dente advises Hanto to just take a rest and even remove the Granute organ, but Hanto vehemently declines because he's entered his Sad Boi dark secondary Rider phase, so he needs to keep using the Chocold RG's to fight Stomach corporation. Kenzou calls Hanto @ 11:03 to inform him that Shouma is captured as a bait. So this is why a KR Bitter Gavv captures Shouma earlier. Kinda LOL that the hero can be easily captured this way, haha.:lol Kenzou then tells Hanto to come to Nagihama Cinema's underground parking lot because he has something to show Hanto. Dente talks to Lage 9 via Sachika's smartphone @ 12:51 and tells him to stop by his cave before heading to Nagihama Cinema's underground parking lot because he also has something to show Lage 9.

Despite having pain in his chest, Hanto insists on going to Nagihama Cinema's underground parking lot @ 13:27. In my first post in episode 26 thread 2 weeks ago here I hypothesized that perhaps Kenzou would arrive at the parking lot after Shouma and or Hanto defeated a Dark Shouma, and then he challenged Shouma and transformed into KR Bake. Well, I was kinda wrong on that part. It's actually dumber because Shouma was easily captured by a KR Bitter Gavv earlier and in this scene he's mainly a bait that's used by Kenzou to provoke Hanto. Yeah, Hanto should be called KR Bait because pretty much everything in his character arc has required baits, be it his mom, Mr. Shioya, or even Shouma, haha.:lol Another weird thing is that the KR Bitter Gavv that restrains Shouma does almost nothing in this scene. Heck, he doesn't even fight anyone. Kenzou then shows off his newly completed weapon/transformation device (the Bake Magnum) and trinket (the Breacookie RG), boasts to Hanto that it's the upgrade of Hanto's Valen Buster, and then transforms into KR Bake Breacookie form. So yeah, like I said in episode 26 thread, my hypothesis in episode 24 thread here and episode 25 thread here about Kenzou's debut as KR Bake in episode 27 is proven to be 100% correct in this scene. The Bake Magnum looks much better than the Valen Buster (which looks too bare bones due to being a prototype), although KR Bake Breacookie form looks average without anything special. What I got right in my first post in episode 26 thread is Kenzou as KR Bake does challenge Shouma, while at the same time revealing to Hanto that he's been manipulating him in his quest to create the finished, ultimate product (KR Bake Breacookie form). Hanto wonders @ 15:12 if Kenzou also transplanted a Granute organ into his own body, and Kenzou answers that he's able to guarantee a sufficiently high degree of safety due to using Hanto as a test subject, which implies that the Bake Magnum likely allows him to transform into KR Bake without requiring a Granute organ to be transplanted into his own body. So yeah, my hypothesis in my post in episode 22 thread here about the endgame of Kenzou's plan of using Hanto as a test subject for the creation of the ultimate, safest Driver (the Bake Magnum) is proven to be correct in this scene.

Lage 9 lends his Vrastum Gear and Doppudding and Purujelly RG's to Dente @ 16:11. Dente says that if Nyelv was able to develop the Vrastum Gear and Doppudding and Purujelly RG's, then he's also able to develop it.

Meanwhile, Kenzou/KR Bake manages to overwhelm Shouma/KR Gavv, yet Hanto/KR Valen does nothing to help Shouma, probably because Hanto is too dense, haha.:lol Kenzou/KR Bake mocks Shouma/KR Gavv @ 19:06 for not attacking Kenzou due to him being a human. He says that an ambition must be achieved by sacrificing anything. He reveals that there are 8 or so people that have been sacrificed as pawns to fulfill his ambition, and then (as usual in this story) reveals in front of Hanto that Hanto's transformation (and the people around him as baits) and the creation of the Dark Shoumas are parts of a 20-year long research. Aaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnndddddddddd... Yep, like I hypothesized in my first post in episode 26 thread 2 weeks ago here, Hanto is shocked and cries when he finally realizes that almost all the deaths of the important people in his life (i.e. his mom, especially Mr. Shioya's death at the end of episode 5) have been mere parts of Kenzou/Nyelv's cahoots all along to turn him into Kenzou's ultimate test subject. Well, Hanto, being dense is not a very good way to move forward in life, haha.:lol This moment will likely drive him further into the stupid, dense, stubborn Sad Boi dark secondary Rider trope. Although the Bake Magnum guarantees a sufficiently high degree of safety to Kenzou, when he detransforms @ 22:41 his right hand is experiencing visible burns, which he says is because the transformation puts a strain on an old man's body.

Jeebh? Yep, as usual, he's still MIA.
# of episodes without Jeebh: 11. He's been missing from the story for 11 episodes straight(!).
My only conclusions:
- The writers wrote themselves to a corner and couldn't do anything to insert Jeebh into the story, so he needed to be sidelined until his advertising tenure begins, very likely after Kenzou reveals himself as the creator of the Dark Shoumas and transforms into KR Bake in episode 27. But the one who will debut in episode 28 is Hanto as KR Valen Frappe Custom form, so it's very likely that Jeebh will still be absent in episode 28. Perhaps he'll return between episodes 30-32.
- There's a possibility that the writers also went Yuuya with Jeebh. Perhaps during these last 11 episodes Jeebh has been searching for Zomb to request his help to strengthen him in order to fulfill his revenge on Shouma for killing Shita. Or maybe not. Who knows what kind of convoluted plot points were crammed into the story next?

I've got nothing more to say, so let me repost my point about Jeebh in episode 23 thread here:
"And hooooooooooooooooooooly crap, Jeebh is still frakkin' absent!!! Where the heck are you, Jeebh???:confused::confused::confused: He's the only character in this story whose transformation I've really really really looked forward into, but at this point all the momentum and all my expectations about him have completely evaporated. He's completely missed his momentum.
The weirdest thing is that the writers still could't even deal with Jeebh's storyline, yet they added a new villain (Zomb) into the story and potentially made the story much harder to resolve. They hadn't solved the previous problem yet they created a new one. Also, Kenzou is starting another manipulation, adding another difficulty in resolving Jeebh's storyline."

Let me repost my point about Jeebh in episode 21 thread here:
"Jeebh is still absent after his last appearance in episode 16. He doesn't appear at all since then, not even 1 frame. The fact that Jeebh is still nowhere to be seen could mean that he'd likely transform into the 5th Rider or the 6th Rider, since there has been a rumor about Kenzou transforming into KR Bake. Perhaps Jeebh would be one of the normal Granutes who are possessed by Dark Shouma's cells and gets his Gavv corrupted, or perhaps he's the final user of the Henshin Belt Bitter Gavv. That, or he's simply forgotten by the writers due to the super duper hyper mega ultra convoluted plot, haha.:lol Jeebh is supposed to be the person who has the most problems with Shouma due to Shita being killed by Shouma in episode 14, so he should've been consumed by revenge and *wait for it* bitterness. He should've been searching frantically for Shouma to exact his revenge. He should've ordered his agents to search for Shouma and attack him at first sight. Heck, he could've even decided to play dirty by using Sachika as a hostage to lure Shouma out. But that didn't happen. Instead, Jeebh has been completely gone from the story. So yeah, perhaps he's simply forgotten by the writers due to the super duper hyper mega ultra convoluted plot, haha.:lol"

Like I said in my post in episode 22 thread here:
"My only words for Jeebh:
You either die a villain, or live long enough to see yourself become a forgotten villain. The worst fate is not being a dead character, but being a character forgotten by its own writers. *facepalm"

Lango the stupidest CEO villain and Glotta have also rarely appeared during the last 5-10 episodes. This is what happens when you have waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many villains. The writers thought they could juggle 10 balls at once, and failed miserably. The writers bit off waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than they can chew, and were ultimately overwhelmed. Combine the oversupply of villains with the super duper hyper mega ultra convoluted plot, and you've got the perfect recipe for a pathetically, laughably, indefensibly lazy, cheap, sloppy, heavy-handed, and atrocious story. Congratulations, Gavv's writers (and producers)! *intergalactic hyperdrive facepalm

Oh, and it's already episode 27, yet there's still no sign of activity from the Granute police department. What a giga LOL.:lol:lol:lol

Next week:

Hanto's going crazy in the preview section @ 23:05, haha.:lol

Shouma/KR Gavv Caking form fights Kenzou/KR Bake. Well, instead of using the Poppin Gummy RG, why didn't Shouma use the Caking RG and Blizzardsorbei RG to fight Kenzou/KR Bake in episode 27? Don't know!

Kenzou says that he'll create the strongest creature @ 23:08. Lage 9/KR Vram visits Kenzou's crummy office/lab @ 23:10 and says he's come to destroy "it", likely referring to Kenzou's strongest creature, which could be the code K baby like I've hypothesized above. The code K baby could be a perfect, ultra-engineered human clone(s) that was created from Kenzou's own DNA and is likely able to withstand the Bake Magnum's power without experiencing burns like what happens in episode 27 @ 22:41. Or maybe the code K only stands for just Kenzou himself, not his clone(s)? Haha.:lol

Hanto's debut as KR Valen Frappe Custom form. Like I hypothesized in my posts in episode 26 thread here and here, Hanto's Vrastum Gear is copied from Lage 9's Vrastum Gear, which means that the Frappeise RG is created by Dente as well. Well, besides Nyelv, now Dente is also able to create artificial (tubular-shaped) RG's which means that Shouma's RG creation power is kinda obsolete. RG's are supposed to be unique trinkets created by Shouma due to his unique human-Granute hybrid DNA, but now Nyelv and Dente are able to copy it. If RG's can now be created without involving a human-Granute hybrid, then it means my Dark Shouma #0 hypothesis that I elaborated in my second post in episode 26 thread here is very likely wrong. There are now 4 characters (Shouma, Dente, Nyelv, and Kenzou (via the Dark Shoumas)) that can easily make their own trinkets, which is soooooooooooo awfully convenient for the plot.

Based on Suga's comment about how his current body is unfit for transformation, "K" is probably a new body created solely for the purpose of using the Bake Magnum without the side effects.

Damn.... So Shioya really did get Hitopressed and killed after all. The flashback to his encounter with Otake leaves basically no room for any other possibilities. And even worse, Nyelve had ordered the hit as a favor to Suga, a man who's been manipulating Hanto for who knows how long. Suga claims he's been doing this for 20 years (Asanuma looks so young) and considering how Sae was abducted 18 years ago, could Suga be responsible for every tragedy that Hanto has suffered since the start? Poor Hanto cannot catch a break.

Dente confirms Suga's statement that the Granute organ is required for Hanto to become Valen. However, thanks to combat data on Dark Valen, Suga was able to create the Bake Magnum as a Rider System that can be used by a regular human like himself, albeit with a dehydrating side effect that he wants to find a way to mitigate. I wonder if this is how Sachika might end up as a Rider, with him using her as a test subject. Bake looks awesome in action, but due to Gavv pulling his punches against a human, I guess we'll have to wait to see his full potential. The henshin looks unpleasant from his perspective though, like he's being Baked in an oven.

Shioya was a good and wise mentor and I hope Hanto can get through this despair and avenge him.

Rider and true color reveal.

Guess Sachika has her limits, despite not being afraid of the Kamen Riders or Rakia before. She admits she's a bit scared of Dente, and the fact that Hanto has Granute organs implanted in him shocks her. The story highlights Hanto's refusal to use Shoma's Gochizos, prompting Sachika to question him about it. Hanto struggles to provide an answer. It's clear that Hanto doesn't hate Shoma; he shares with Shoma insights about Suga's true nature, his problem is just him being too reckless.

Suga is flat-out villainous, similar to the other depraved scientists in the KR series. Guess Maki from OOO was another one who started out on the ally's side before defecting later, though he has always declared his intentions to end the world back then. Like typical mad scientists, Suga views others as guinea pigs, despite claiming to thank them—echoing Nyelv's sentiments upon witnessing Shita's death. Willingness to sacrifice anything for his goals, which Suga brings up, is villainous trait.

As expected, Suga's evil nature shocks both Shoma and Hanto, which is nice, as what Suga points out, Shoma focuses on protecting humans, and the people he's encountered have generally been likable. Only Sachika initially raises Shoma's suspicions, which means she holds a higher moral ground. Although Shoma protects Granutes like Rakia as he begins to turn good too. Being human or Granute merely signifies one’s species; sentience allows for the capacity for good or evil.

If Hanto were more knowledgeable about Comel, it might also surprise him that Granutes can be a ray of sunshine too, though now he seems to have moved past his hatred of Granutes here, correcting himself wanting to exterminate the Granutes to the Stomachs instead. However, Shoma didn’t take Hanto’s feelings toward Granutes other than him into account when bringing him to Dente. It’s likely that Rakia offered a similar experience, as he was also initially out for blood against Dente.

Though it's probably because Bake was toying with Gavv, I find the beatdowns done to Gavv Poppingummy unimpressive since it's a base form and previous threats have already dealt significant damage to him. Bake certainly has a distinct character, fighting out of curiosity about what his new toys can do. As usual, nice to have him use the environment, like throwing cars. I wonder if Suga will meet his end in the next episode, given that it has been dubbed Suga and Hanto's final battle.

The Hitopress is used for non-Dark Treats purpose in Soji's murder. Wonder what'd be the difference between using Hitopress or just directly murdering him, perhaps it's just done for meta reasons to have the murder look less gruesome to children, albeit just making one lose consciousness with some blood for death is generally safe to watch too.

Don't really care if this happens or not, but her being used as a test subject rather sounds being a victim, rather than her keeping her agency. I thought it'd make sense if she'd seek Rider powers, knowing how one becomes Rider (at least if she knows about safer option Suga does), as an extension to making everyone happy; the Heisei/other Reiwa way on how one often ends up becoming a Rider (to the other's Showa), having Sachika's goals and getting the power for it. And dunno if Suga would meet his end next episode too, though this'd deprive Sachika's chance to become a Rider if she'd stay a supporting muggle.

Suga is a great villain. So much fun to watch yet so easy to hate. And man did the double down on his despicableness this week. The reveal at the end was so awful, yet so good.

The weird thing is, I realized throughout watching the episode that all of this is basically a side quest, STOMACH isn’t involved in this at all. Aside from Nyelv being mentioned and shown in a flashback, they don’t appear at all.

I wonder if Suga will go down long-term soon or maybe have further involvement in the show. His Rider-suit is very basic, and the armor is already shown to be able to be used by Bitter Gavv. Next week’s plot is rather foreseeable, but I wonder where the story will go after that.

The action was super fun this week as usual too, the choreography is so awesome and the care put into the transformation sequences and effects are fantastic.

Very good episode. This is a nice twist in the plot for Hanto. I was shock that it was Suga who kill his boss well played Toei. Now we got a look at other life forms Suga is working on and his body can’t take bake very well.

Next week final form Hanto frapp debut looks exciting.

So Suga is just comically evil. I figured he was just super pragmatic that he views his actions as justifiable, but he's just evil evil :lol

So the K on Suga's monitor, K for Kenzo, right? Or maybe that one monster who abducted Hanto's mom?