I think it worked okay for me? Fenix is such a dull concept to begin with that I am in favor of ANYTHING that makes it weirder and more personal for our heroes. Commander Chameleon is a terrifying foe that attacks Hiromi's dedication, which is incredibly fun to think about. Even if what came before is only glimpsed in sepia-toned flashbacks, I think their interplay over the last dozen episodes created enough of a launching pad to propel both characters to more idiosyncratic storylines in the future.

(Also, I can't currently think of anything more boring than having to spend time with Fenix before everything blows up and everyone gets weird. The producers were maybe doing us a favor by keeping the Fenix backstory implied!)

Whoa! Amazing! Thanks so much for informative and fun skit!

how do I spoilertag stuff just wondering cause there are things I wanna say but don't want to run the risk os spoilering everything cause as I said either this or a stretch of episodes in the 20ies is sadly the best part of Revice I can't say why the rezt of the show isn't good albeit your starting to see signs of it, poor characterization aside from the Deadman trio and Sakura at this point being one of them this is because when the guy who wrote this came up with the story for Revice he wanted the main rider and secondary riders to be females the MC he envisioned more or less became Sakura(I'm sure there were a few changes from what that and what we got as there always is)

The short answer to Spoiler Tags in this thread is please don't. I see every comment without the spoilers on, so anything that gets tagged is actually just spoiling stuff. Please save any relevant comments until the appropriate episodes! We will get through the whole show! Please be patient!

got it just wanted to be sure

What if I were to tell you that Kamen Rider Vader is Luke's father?

Much appreciated!

Ha ha, very funny. Next you'll be telling me that a title Rider from a Kamen Rider series has a secret sibling, you goofball.

Oh, probably this episode's the real turnabout for Revice, instead of George collecting 10 ViStamps. Things really changing much for . 2 of the major human villains Kudo and Amahiko settle their grudges respectively to Ikki and Sakura. And despite being billed as Deadman savior before, this episode actually displays Amahiko as someone only big talk, revealed to be a coward that prefers to save his skin by any means possible (including manipulating which doesn't work on Sakura) like letting Deadmans fight for him, and this elevates Julio in charge to force him becoming Level 2 Deadman himself. As for Kudo, doubling as reply..

I don't know why some people can take any villains' words as gospel. A villain making a 'good point' can be one of the reasons for people to even justify them as "did nothing wrong". This one's isn't even an anti-villain that has a noble cause (doesn't mean that the solution is to follow the villains' philosophies and/or course of action), but just someone who is only doing bad things, assaulting civilians, put lives in danger, siding with an organization that regularly hurts others for their own gain. And all only to satisfy his ego of winning streak.

Kudo may made a point, but if it comes from someone without any redeeming qualities, and regularly doing something far worse than just Ikki being clueless at times to the surroundings, it'd be only an example of gaslighting Ikki's actions to make his own actions justifiable. Other than how what someone says make a point, the person who uttered those words should be taken into account too. If it's Kudo talking about that, it's just an example of someone hypocrite, so entitled, would never take responsibility, lacking empathy to comprehend why an action can wrong but instead feels unfairly persecuted, and constantly deflecting blames into others. He's the last one to be lecturing it for.

Kudo's words really get into Ikki, almost breaking him, but this time it's Vice that snaps him back to reality, and it's done in devil-ish way by convincing Ikki to keep his flaw, so Vice being helpful stays loyal to his character of being a demon. But it's also more valid if the one lecturing that is Kudo, basically telling him to ignore someone who has no right lecturing others, and that it's not even about constructive criticism to improve oneself either. The part of Kudo walking with his shoes on, that moment's probably only meant to be a comedy in the surface... but I too see the scene as more than that; as an Asian I approve of a reminder to not wear shoes on certain places (KR also mostly have characters not wearing shoes in bed, though there are a few exceptions), and yeah if it's someone like Kudo, it should show his lack of regard for others.

Doesn't mean Ikki should stay that way, even if you're imperfect gotta still learn from mistakes and strive to be better. But I guess currently the appeal to Ikki for me is that even if he's nice, well-meaning, and not doing anything morally questionable, he can still cause disastrous consequences, and in a way other than a character being made impossibly idiotic. Also shows that flaws aren't only toxic traits, making flawed characters doesn't mean they have to be made as completely immoral jerk, awful, completely messed-up, which is a misguided take some has.

Sakura's full schoolgirl outfit finally shows up.. took this long that it was her first look at the scans. I wonder why Sakura's friends stick to her like glue even before she becomes Jeanne. Hiromi is at his limits now, beneath his straight-laced persona, he's always a really emotional guy, the betrayal reduces him into nothing more than a sobbing wreck with all of his bottled up emotions surfacing. The Chameleon Deadman didn't address Hiromi's emotional self enough... as someone who lashes out at Daiji for being emotional to want to become a Rider to catch up to Ikki.

The Deadmans gain an upper hand due to something that is just so recent including to the characters, about the current Wakabayashi being Chameleon Deadman, due to Wakabayashi being already killed since 1st episode, with the scene giving heavy Evolt vibes of him killing someone in a flashback and switching faces, and using that to induce paranoia and posing as someone's hero to traumatize them... Hiromi. His laugh from the usually super strict demeanor he copied from Wakabayashi is also really upsettling, which means good job on that scene. Apparently George would just hand over the Gifu ViStamp without much thought, wonder what's in his mind for that. Not yet shown for Aguilera's backstory, but it's shown here that humans can be turned into Giftex, which happened to both Kudo and Amahiko. I guess Deadmans aren't inherent that way, and Amahiko will continue despite his newfound joke status. And another cliffhanger for Aguilera that she's revealed to be the sacrifice for Giff.

Yeah, it's... Kudo's right about Ikki, but it's not relevant to Kudo's situation. Ikki's a guy who wants to solve people's problems, but that can lead to him not really considering their emotions into his solution. He's goal-oriented, which can sometimes be dismissive of people's own points of view and emotional needs. It's legitimately a character flaw of Ikki's.

It's just not a flaw that has any bearing on Kudo's activities? It's a personal attack, and nothing more. It happens to be a well-observed personal attack, but it's nothing that absolves Kudo of his guilt.

KAMEN RIDER REVICE EPISODE 15 - “EXTERMINATION! SHOWDOWN! DEADMANS!”

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This is going to sound like damning the Kamen Rider franchise with the faintest of praise, but I honestly mean it: I love when these shows have their heroes face a problem, devise a strategy, execute the strategy, and overcome an obstacle.

It probably sounds like I’ve just described Heroic Storytelling at its most simplistic, but it’s weirdly something this franchise grapples with fulfilling? A ton of plots count more on a hero being in a place than anything more clever or complex, and most tension is derived from the heroes responding to a(nother) villainous scheme. The villains plot, the heroes respond; that’s, like, ninety percent of Kamen Rider storytelling. So when we get an episode where the heroes have to figure out a way to take the fight to the villains and win? Refreshing! Very refreshing change of pace!

I knew this was going to be a good one for me when the heroes are trying to figure out who knows how to enter the Giffamilia base, and I went Kagerou Knows and then a scene later Sakura goes Kagerou Knows. I don’t like guessing stuff on the show to feel smart or anything (my guesses are almost always wrong), but I like it because it means the show is adhering to a logic that I can comprehend. It’s not pulling some information out of its Driver, it’s using the details of previous episodes to embroider this one. Kagerou is the only cast member who actually hung out with the Giffamilia, and it’s a clever and fascinating plot development to find a way to get that information out of him.

That was the high point of the episode for me, by a mile, all of that stuff where Ikki and Sakura Rider Kick Daiji into Kagerou and then feed him spicy food that Daiji hates until he parts with the info. It’s adorably half-assed in a classic Igarashi way, where a million things could go wrong but somehow don’t through sheer pluck. They make a great/terrible team!

The rest of the episode proceeds pretty much how you’d expect. Team Igarashi breaks up the sacrifice of Aguilera, brawls with the Deadmans, and stops Giff from manifesting. Each fight has a detail or two that keeps it entertaining – Olteca complimenting Live’s suit, Commander Chameleon inaccurately duplicating Vice, Aguilera getting super creeped out by Lovekov – but there’s no real sense of danger for our heroes. Stories like this one, when the villains are on the back foot, they’re kind of foregone conclusions. It’s still fun, the fights all have strong individual hero moments (even Hiromi! Despite having a demonic seizure, maybe!), but it’s the weird consequence of the heroes setting the tone for a change: it’s the protagonists in too much control of the narrative.

So they win! They win big! The Deadmans’ nightclub-slash-church-slash-spaceship(?) dislodges from the Toku Caves and hovers over the bay, then gets obliterated by a full roster of giant-sized Remixes. It’s a lot of CG, which had me tuning out, but I appreciated how fully this episode cleared the deck of the villains’ status quo. Giff got blown up! Aguilera and Julio have split from Olteca! Maybe Fenix is going to arrest the other Giftex baddies! There wasn’t even an Or Did They stinger to the team’s win, since the cliffhanger is just Aguilera despondently screaming over not being a sacrificial bride to a yonic sculpture who is also sort of her dad. Seems like a clean win? Not sure where the show goes next, which is kind of a fun place to be in. Possibilities! I do like them!

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I woke up for some Revice. It's okay/10.

This episode was alright. Ikki finally gets called out for his complete inability to think beyond face value motives. Julio and Red continue to be the only deadmen with some personality. I guess they accounted for the mammoth stamp moving around a bit too?

...Buuut then you've got Hiromi "Gills" the minute man trying to matter in an episode. Sure would be great if he could fight for more than 30 seconds at a time. Dude is a huge jobber. We've also got Ikki and Vice just kind of going "Eh. He's still a villain so who cares." Which rounds back to lawyer man having something of a point. Sure, he's definitely not saying it to evoke a genuine discussion, but he's also not necessarily wrong, albeit it that it's coming from someone it's not very relevant to.

I'll give it a Hiromi out of Victory.


15 is okay. I like the violence, I guess. Julio's actor is bringing some life to his performance! But then he gets one tapped and is rendered impotent all episode. "But wait what about George leaving Red to die" - Totally in character. Man is a cackling psychopath.