I also think Stronger is a good candidate for a reboot. For the same reason, I'd like to see a more prominent role for Tackle.

Looks interesting. But seeing the suits in action and the sword made it better.

I know it does in most cases look like an edgy reboot, but it's more interesting than I initially expected, so I'll probably see it.

Dang, I'd love to see how much beefier they could make Stronger.

I would absolutely love an Akumaizer 3 Reboot in a similar vein.

Zubat:) Or Toei Spiderman. Although they probably do not have the rights to shoot something new on it.

I didn't think I could get so hyped seeing Black fight Shadow Moon again.

So random thoughts that I had regarding this show. Suppose we get season 2, what if the RX suit is never an upgrade for Black Sun, but rather:
A. Man-made powered suit by humans much like G3 from Agito
B. Kotaro's clone/biological son under the assumption that Kotaro aged naturally while Nobuhiko was preserved much like Winter Soldier

B is too similar to the 2nd season of the Amazons. I'm more interested in whether they use RX enemies in season 2 (because obviously it was originally supposed to be a new show with a new protagonist, but he was linked with Black due to his popularity) or come up with someone more suitable for the plot Black.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Adrian_FT...85616224747522

New trailer with English subs. The release date is officially October 28th, and worldwide streaming on Amazon Prime has been confirmed.

Kaijin rights, man.

You know?

I'm not entirely sure how I feel about this one, chief.

You know maybe if this was an original Rider and not specifically a remake of Black in the same vein as Amazons... I could probably feel a bit better about that.

It`s really cool.

This is either going to rule or miss the mark incredibly badly with no in between

X-Men: Kamen Rider`s Version.

Yeah, damn, that looks really shitty

I?m not optimistic at all XD
That trailer was awful.

Looks different. I'm down.

a lot of people have been a bit down on the trailer and I think part of it is how it's edited. It seems to show the kaijin as violent revolutionaries which doesn't really jive with the themes in the main franchise and leaves a bad taste in peoples mouths because of how charged the imagery of police violence is. THe cop is clearly shown to be distraught which seems to sympathize more with the agent of the state than the victim of the violence and the fact shadowmoon is on the side of the revolutionaries seems to automatically villify them.

However rewatching the shooting directly it seems a lot more nuanced than that. You can see the body language of the ant kaijin is almost fearful, and if you pause at 32 seconds it has blood on its sleeve so it seems to be injured. While an earlier scene in the trailer shows the ant kaijin throwing a cop into a car which paints it as the attacker but I don't think that's the case. the scene of the shooting is definitely in a different location since he throws the cop into a car that's nowhere to be found. I think these scenes are presented out of context or even played in reverse. if I had to guess the order of events would be the ant kaijin being hurt, a cop interpreting it as an attack, and shooting it despite it not being injured at all. The scene of the ant kaijin may come later after the kaijin riots have turned more violent to illustrate a point. Alternatively I could see the ant kaijin being drugged or forced into the fight which is why it's so strong, but whatever effect it's under wears off by the time of the shooting. Either way, the shooting itself is clearly unjustified from the cops perspective since the ant kaijin hasn't presented itself as a threat to him. I could see a situation where golgom is intentionally inciting violence by drugging or influencing kaijin and then using the social unrest to take power in japan. The concept art for golgom we saw gave them more militaristic uniforms so them taking over as a kaijin extermination force could make for an interesting development.

Here is the offical english sub version of Black Sun Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMjDfyYryvk

Do we know how long its supposed to be? Amazons was 26 and a movie.

Oh no it's definitely trying that and is Ishinomori as fuck but my concern is whether or not it's handled well because things like this with massive real world parallels are very, *very* easy to screw up

Agreed! I feel like this could be good as its own thing, since it feels a little too outside of Black that it's a little jarring.

This too. I always worry since these kinds of stories are now extremely common now, that I can't help but feel a little concerned.

All that said, I don't think what they want to do with this is bad or anything, but I'm also not sure how I feel about it. Sure, we got some idea of where this was going from the initial teaser, and this one was probably to show off "the bad guys," I feel like the suit action will be the highlight for me. It's just the very different take on Black and the story it's leaning towards make me hesitant.

And this is coming from someone who hasn't seen (much) of the original Black.

Depending on how I feel, I may see this when it drops or wait until after I watch the Original Black.

What does any of this have to do with Kamen Rider Black?

It's almost like they were making an original Kamen Rider idea and Toei forced the Black name on it last second.

Really not feeling this. Seems too dark and overly serious. I remember checking out of Amazons real quick and it wasn't as dark as this.

Well, I'm interested.

I’m interested for sure. As many have already said in this forum, this seems to be taking the Amazons approach in that it’s only loosely based on the original show rather than a beat for beat remake of it. So far from what can be seen in the trailers, it seems to just be pulling aesthetics (black sun being a black bugman, shadow moon being a silver bugman, and battle hopper being grasshopper themed) from the original show and that black sun and shadow moon are destined to clash and oppose each other. Although here it appears to be due to ideology rather than the century king stuff from the original.

I don't think so. I think it's just that whoever is in charge, when given the opportunity to make a new Black property, opted to focus on the brother vs brother story over Golgom and the Century King stuff. Just use the Kaijin protests as a catalyst to trigger their animosity (Rather than Shadow Moon being brainwashed).

That said, I am not sure how much they'll focus on the "Kaijin rights" thing.

Toei has been trying to diversify Rider projects. We got Fuuto PI an animated series, upcoming Shin Kamen Rider movie which is the most Showa thing in recent memory, and still have the mainline toy-selling entry, I think its okay for Black Sun to try something new and different.

Is the problem most people have just the fact that its re-using the Black moniker?

After First, Next and Amazons, this should not be a problem and surprise anyone. So, did anyone really want to see just an abridged version of the '88 show with updated costumes and special effects?

There are going to be people that say yes to that. I can guarantee that. May be not here, but they're out there. Lol!

I mean, people *adore* Black so it's not weird to see people unhappy with a wildly different direction. Apparantly it's more in line with the manga but I wouldn't know

If it's anything like Amazons, I'm down for it.

I just want to see a little more Rider action.

Yes.

Or at least costumes that look anything at all like the originals. Even First/Next and Amazons got that part right.

That's just it. To me Black is not just another Rider series. It's distinct. The costume is distinct, the character is distinct, and the plot with Golgom and Shadow Moon is distinct.

I don't even dislike this direction, I just dislike that it's Black. I would've loved to see an update to the Black design, or even an evolution like RX. This is just a Kamen Rider. A cool-looking Kamen Rider, but not Black.

Almost 2 more months until the premiere of the show. I'm sure they'll release at least one more trailer.

Yes, it is the Black Sun. If it makes it easier to enjoy the show that way, just consider him another rider, who related to Black only by a similar name. In the end, this is not a direct sequel, where familiarization with the original series is mandatory, but what the director was inspired by watching it.
And by the way, this applies not only to Black. How often does a rider become not an ordinary Japanese guy, but a native from the jungle, who is hit by a big city almost more than monsters? And how often were designs as grotesque as Ten-Faced Demon Gorgos? Nevertheless, the remake just ignored this part for the sake of its own history, so as not to be just a pale copy with cosmetic changes.

I was surprised at how Nobuhiko seems like he is depicted as a kaijin revolutionary of sorts. Now I'm curious how Kotaro fits in all of this. Maybe he's the former century king or kaijin leader who went into hiding or something after a certain event that cost him someone dear to him, etc. And years later this younger Nobuhiko steps up to succeed him as century king 2.0.

Honestly, I kind of dig it. Simply because Black is one of the ones I want to see most, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. I'm glad that they're going to be so different because it means I can watch this without "spoiling" Black.

I completely get what you're saying though.

According to the Wiki (not word-for-word), both Nobuhiko and Kotaro are born on the same day as candidates of the next Century King. They were once friends but butt heads once Nobuhiko became evil and had a change of heart. Nobuhiko decided to start this kaijin uprising while Kotaro steps in in order to stop him.

All this reads like a lot of whiffling if I'm honest. This doesn't really address what I said beyond "it's different." Like, yeah, but that's not going to change why I don't like it.

I'm sure if I were a fan of the original Amazon I'd have disliked Amazons. Hell, I'm not a fan of Amazon and I disliked Amazons. :lol But Black is one of my favourites, and considering he's a lot of people's favourites, seeing an iteration that bears hardly any resemblance to the character is naturally going to be disappointing. You can justify it all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that the connection just isn't there. One of the Riders is literally black, the other is silver. That is how much is resembles the original series and character.

With Kamen Rider no stranger to total reinvention on a yearly basis, it feels especially cheap that they're cashing in on one series' popularity on a not-even-superficial level. If you weren't going to make the character resemble Black then why make him Black? Why not expand the roster rather than retreading if the retreading serves no purpose?

This eerily reminds me of the 2017 Power Rangers movie. This also feels especially off since we have Shin Kamen Rider which is quite faithful.

Because this is a popular series and its remake will definitely make many, even those who abandoned the franchise, watch this show.
For me, the basis of Black is the story of two brothers who were turned into enemies by a dark force. And whether this force will be a mystical purpose or a political idea is secondary for me personally, because this is a layering on the backbone of the plot. But I know for sure that watching the same series, only slightly modernized (because, let's be honest, they are clearly not a blockbuster for $ 150 million, and the special effects may well look even worse than the original), I would be less interested than this show, whatever it is. For when I have a desire to revisit Black, I watch the original, and not looking for something similar or related. But here, of course, everyone has different tastes.
And I understand that when you don?t like something, you want to write about it, but I still think that the previous remakes roughly showed what to expect and there is nothing to be surprised at.

Albeit offtopic, but I'll leave it here, as in the topic related to Black:
https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkxdqk...zrqVbT1bg3aY1o