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Fish Sandwich 10-10-2016 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by vin13ish (Post 640075)
Which one that is more confusing? Drive or Ghost?
Neither?

I mean they both had their odd moments but I wouldn't really describe either one as "confusing".

vin13ish 10-10-2016 10:11 PM
Do the idea of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde-type rider or Bruce Banner/Hulk-type rider?

Just says when he transformed into Kamen Rider, The Suit take over him and become a completely different person like Mr. Hyde or Hulk.

When he turn back into his normal self, He is unaware of what happens

MarsHottentot 10-10-2016 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by vin13ish (Post 640093)
Do the idea of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde-type rider or Bruce Banner/Hulk-type rider?

Just says when he transformed into Kamen Rider, The Suit take over him and become a completely different person like Mr. Hyde or Hulk.

When he turn back into his normal self, He is unaware of what happens
Amazon Omega, pretty much.

MaskedRiderAsakura 10-11-2016 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by MarsHottentot (Post 640099)
Amazon Omega, pretty much.
Or even Agito for the first few episodes or so.

GoseiWonder 10-11-2016 01:15 AM
I don't know, Shin looks pretty Hulky.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-r2-cTSAJlw

Annuga 10-11-2016 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by vin13ish (Post 640093)
Do the idea of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde-type rider or Bruce Banner/Hulk-type rider?

Just says when he transformed into Kamen Rider, The Suit take over him and become a completely different person like Mr. Hyde or Hulk.

When he turn back into his normal self, He is unaware of what happens
Reminds me of Leangle

MarsHottentot 10-11-2016 07:34 AM
So there you have it; plenty of Kamen Hydesters.

vin13ish 10-11-2016 08:51 PM
Which Villains that made it WAY Personal for Kamen Rider?

This Villain did something so evil that cause Kamen Rider to want to kill him or her

AkibaSilver 10-12-2016 01:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vin13ish (Post 640304)
Which Villains that made it WAY Personal for Kamen Rider?

This Villain did something so evil that cause Kamen Rider to want to kill him or her
Ones I can remember: (Also, spoilers ahead)
Gaim: Sid straight up killed Hase, so that makes Kouta want him dead by episode 15.
Drive: Shinnosuke's dad was killed by the Roimudes (Plus Douchebag McPolice Dude, who may have been Nira), so that was the plot of most of the second half of the series. Plus, Gord Drive and Mach and Chaser.
Ghost: Adel killed his father. Except for that movie when he didn't

Powerman293 10-12-2016 11:41 AM
So I was rewatching the clip of Genmu is Ghost using Shariki Sports and he puts it in the finisher slot to summon the bike. Is that actually a function in the show? Using the finisher slot to summon an item related to the Gashat?

Annuga 10-12-2016 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Powerman293 (Post 640403)
So I was rewatching the clip of Genmu is Ghost using Shariki Sports and he puts it in the finisher slot to summon the bike. Is that actually a function in the show? Using the finisher slot to summon an item related to the Gashat?
So far the only other thing it did was have a level select screen when M was testing it out. It makes sense though, as Genm would otherwise put it in the Level 3 slot which would do something else

henshinzero 10-13-2016 01:02 PM
KR Gaim feels like Sengoku Basara/Musou.

Gaim: Date Masamune
Baron: Sanada Yukimura

Are there similarities to the other characters too?

Sunred 10-13-2016 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by henshinzero (Post 640591)
KR Gaim feels like Sengoku Basara/Musou.

Gaim: Date Masamune
Baron: Sanada Yukimura

Are there similarities to the other characters too?
The fuedal era implications are there for sure.

These are just my personal observations:
Gaim: Date Masamune
Gaim Kachidoki: Takeda Shingen
Gaim Kiwami: Oda Nobunaga
Zangetsu: Uesugi Kenshin(Uesugi iirc is known for not having a signature kabuto but regardless)
Ryugen: A mixbag of Hashiba Hideyoshi and Akechi Mitsuhide
Baron: Takeda Shingen as well
Knuckle Sanada Yukimura

Powerman293 10-13-2016 08:14 PM
So how much you wanna bet that Emu in Ex-aid actually died during that operation when he was young and him now is actually a computer program/projection similar to Asuna? Because if that's the case, I'm calling it right now.

Helios 10-14-2016 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by henshinzero (Post 640591)
KR Gaim feels like Sengoku Basara/Musou.

Gaim: Date Masamune
Baron: Sanada Yukimura

Are there similarities to the other characters too?
Baron is definitely Sanada Yukimura. The red armor and the yellow horns are spot on.

TF RyuShin 10-14-2016 10:37 AM
A bit interruption for you guys, but actually does anyone know how is the fluctuation of a Rider series' budget? I mean some forms are really spammed for the first quarter, say Suika Arms from Gaim, but later on we barely see Suika Arms only for a few rare instances, same goes for All Dragon or Gatakiriba. I'm afraid we won't see Ex-Aid LVL 1 or that flashy game gimmicks soon. Also, how is your reaction toward the last minute form for some Riders? Like Ryugen Yomi and Chaser Mach? Shame that Necrom didn't get one....

Kiwami 10-14-2016 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by TF RyuShin (Post 640753)
A bit interruption for you guys, but actually does anyone know how is the fluctuation of a Rider series' budget? I mean some forms are really spammed for the first quarter, say Suika Arms from Gaim, but later on we barely see Suika Arms only for a few rare instances, same goes for All Dragon or Gatakiriba. I'm afraid we won't see Ex-Aid LVL 1 or that flashy game gimmicks soon.
Well yeah, they use CGI effects early on to sell toys, the procedure you explained is exactly what happens every year. The flashy stuff will disapear, some stuff already has. Remember the flashy effect of Ex-Aid summoning his weapon? Already gone in episode 2, he pulls it out of nowhere now.

This is something you get used to with these shows. It's not that big a deal though IMO, the big CG effects look terrible anyways.

I do like the hit effects of Ex-Aid though, and I think chances are good that those will stick around.

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Originally Posted by TF RyuShin (Post 640753)
Also, how is your reaction toward the last minute form for some Riders? Like Ryugen Yomi and Chaser Mach? Shame that Necrom didn't get one....
Depends on the suit. Yomotsuheguri looks awesome, Chaser Mach is trash.

TF RyuShin 10-15-2016 12:58 AM
Well, I completely didn't realize the weapon's effect was gone. From my opinion to the future, maybe we won't see the flashy transformation from LVL 1 to 2. Not only to cut the cost, but to give more duration per episode. Even in Ultraman Orb, Orb quickly transformed to Hurricane Slash without so many transforming scenes like before. I just hope that they will keep LVL 1 thingy, I love the Ex-Aid and Lazer's one. I hope they will keep it like Kabuto's Cast Off functions or something, but I think it would be hard to....

The big CG monster for Ex-Aid is tolerable. Despite how clusterfuck the thing is, it was made to reduce the cost of CGs so we might still see those monsters for some time till the mid of series. It might be lame but practical. I don't know why many people hate Chaser Mach. Well, I know from the story parts, Ryugen Yomi is cool due to the plot and the fact that seeing a recolor of Ryugen's forms is refreshing. But, I don't think Chaser Mach is trash. It looks like a kit-bash, but no one even knew it would appear and the white and silver color matched much better, especially in the dark area.

Annuga 10-15-2016 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by TF RyuShin (Post 640826)
Well, I completely didn't realize the weapon's effect was gone. From my opinion to the future, maybe we won't see the flashy transformation from LVL 1 to 2. Not only to cut the cost, but to give more duration per episode. Even in Ultraman Orb, Orb quickly transformed to Hurricane Slash without so many transforming scenes like before. I just hope that they will keep LVL 1 thingy, I love the Ex-Aid and Lazer's one. I hope they will keep it like Kabuto's Cast Off functions or something, but I think it would be hard to....

The big CG monster for Ex-Aid is tolerable. Despite how clusterfuck the thing is, it was made to reduce the cost of CGs so we might still see those monsters for some time till the mid of series. It might be lame but practical. I don't know why many people hate Chaser Mach. Well, I know from the story parts, Ryugen Yomi is cool due to the plot and the fact that seeing a recolor of Ryugen's forms is refreshing. But, I don't think Chaser Mach is trash. It looks like a kit-bash, but no one even knew it would appear and the white and silver color matched much better, especially in the dark area.
The Level 2 thing is stock footage, meaning if they want to use it, only a few minutes of editing would get the trick
Chaser Mach is hated for being an asspull and design iirc

Kiwami 10-15-2016 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by TF RyuShin (Post 640826)
Well, I completely didn't realize the weapon's effect was gone. From my opinion to the future, maybe we won't see the flashy transformation from LVL 1 to 2.
As Annuga said, it's stock footage, if they want to use it they will. They did the same with Ghost. However:

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Originally Posted by TF RyuShin (Post 640826)
Not only to cut the cost, but to give more duration per episode.
You're right with that one. But with the Ultraman Orb example, they cut the whole transformations because Orb transformed a lot in this episode. I think they keep it up if he transforms less, they only have one transforming hero after all.

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Originally Posted by TF RyuShin (Post 640826)
I just hope that they will keep LVL 1 thingy, I love the Ex-Aid and Lazer's one. I hope they will keep it like Kabuto's Cast Off functions or something, but I think it would be hard to....
Well the LV1 suits will definitely stick around, they are suits after all. And I think they can do it like Kabuto, I mean showing the full thing if they have time or simply have the Riders transform in between scenes. Ex-Aid already has the glowing gate thingy, I wouldn’t be surprised if he transforms by simply running through it in future episodes. Like Blade or Wizard.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TF RyuShin (Post 640826)
The big CG monster for Ex-Aid is tolerable. Despite how clusterfuck the thing is, it was made to reduce the cost of CGs so we might still see those monsters for some time till the mid of series.
Huh? How is a giant CGI monster "made to reduce cost"? Even if it looks simply, it's a big computer animation. It still costs much more money than a suit.

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Originally Posted by TF RyuShin (Post 640826)
I don't know why many people hate Chaser Mach.
Because it looks lame. It is just two suits bashed together, without anything new to it. Some suits can work well when used together, the Mach and Chaser suits definitely don't. It’s also used in an incredibly strong moment for Gou which makes me dislike it even more, the situation deserved something better.

Sunred 10-15-2016 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Kiwami (Post 640838)
It is just two suits bashed together, without anything new to it. Some suits can work well when used together, the Mach and Chaser suits definitely don't. It’s also used in an incredibly strong moment for Gou which makes me dislike it even more, the situation deserved something better.
As great as that scene was I really wished that the Captain Muhricah color variant in the V cinema replaced that kitbash of a suit.
Or they should have just had him wear the Chaser suit.

TF RyuShin 10-15-2016 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Kiwami (Post 640838)
As Annuga said, it's stock footage, if they want to use it they will. They did the same with Ghost. However:



You're right with that one. But with the Ultraman Orb example, they cut the whole transformations because Orb transformed a lot in this episode. I think they keep it up if he transforms less, they only have one transforming hero after all.



Well the LV1 suits will definitely stick around, they are suits after all. And I think they can do it like Kabuto, I mean showing the full thing if they have time or simply have the Riders transform in between scenes. Ex-Aid already has the glowing gate thingy, I wouldn’t be surprised if he transforms by simply running through it in future episodes. Like Blade or Wizard.



Huh? How is a giant CGI monster "made to reduce cost"? Even if it looks simply, it's a big computer animation. It still costs much more money than a suit.



Because it looks lame. It is just two suits bashed together, without anything new to it. Some suits can work well when used together, the Mach and Chaser suits definitely don't. It’s also used in an incredibly strong moment for Gou which makes me dislike it even more, the situation deserved something better.
If I predict, despite LVL 1 will still be used for later, I think they instantly bypass it by pulling the lever in the Gamer Driver after transforming. Not only that, seeing Lazer needs more screen times, they might bypass LVL 2 completely. I think Orb's transformation was cut because to continue the intense tenses, since changing form changing bgm. But, since Genm Zombie and Paradox don't have LVL 1, I don't think it would be crucial later.

Well for the big browny CG monsters, at least they don't have to sketch a too complex design for monsters. Such as bigger Phantoms or anything. Because, I think the drawer put much more heart to the in-battle monsters one. And... I love Chaser Mach much better than Mach Chaser. I mean, the color scheme now ruined it. The blue color don't blend well and I hate those big orange eyes in the helmet; Mach doesn't fit with orange eyes. The fact that it used Shift Crosser disappointed me even more. A Ride Crosser-type form should be much better.

Lastly, if you asked me what should I do to improve the scene between Gou and Chase in the penultimate episodes, maybe he should just become a normal Chaser, huh?

henshinzero 10-15-2016 09:49 AM
What if the next rider series will be something like Ultraman Orb? The power to fuse two different riders in one special form.

Someone better than Decade & Diend.

vin13ish 10-15-2016 01:50 PM
I got question for you guys. Since Drive and Ex-Aid have Main Kamen Riders as Police Officer and Doctor.

Which professional job do you want Next Kamen Rider to take on?

Annuga 10-15-2016 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by vin13ish (Post 640866)
I got question for you guys. Since Drive and Ex-Aid have Main Kamen Riders as Police Officer and Doctor.

Which professional job do you want Next Kamen Rider to take on?
Lawyers. Kamen Rider Objection/Igi Ari
Could be fun,



Shu Takumi as head writer plz

henshinzero 10-15-2016 02:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vin13ish (Post 640866)
I got question for you guys. Since Drive and Ex-Aid have Main Kamen Riders as Police Officer and Doctor.

Which professional job do you want Next Kamen Rider to take on?
W/Double - detective
Fourze - teacher
Gaim - breakdancer
Drive - police officer
Ex-Aid - doctor

Perhaps next few series:

Rescue Rider - firefighter (like from GoGoV & Tomica Heroes)

New Rider - lawyer (like Ace Attorney)

Cooking Rider - chef (like Shokugeki & Fighting Foodons)

Dinosaur Rider - florist

Spec Ops Rider - spy/secret agent

Kiwami 10-15-2016 02:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vin13ish (Post 640866)
I got question for you guys. Since Drive and Ex-Aid have Main Kamen Riders as Police Officer and Doctor.

Which professional job do you want Next Kamen Rider to take on?
Firefighter would complement the doctor and policeman nicely, and kids love firefighters.

It would take some work in order to tie the villains into that one, but it’s doable.

Annuga 10-15-2016 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Kiwami (Post 640870)
Firefighter would complement the doctor and policeman nicely, and kids love firefighters.

It would take some work in order to tie the villains into that one, but it’s doable.
Fourze technically did that with Fire States. Could be fun though

Guyver Spawn 10-15-2016 05:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vin13ish (Post 640866)
I got question for you guys. Since Drive and Ex-Aid have Main Kamen Riders as Police Officer and Doctor.

Which professional job do you want Next Kamen Rider to take on?
Maybe a artist. A future series can have monsters coming out of TV's, paints or manga. They start off 2D then become full 3D monsters (Like being suits, not 3D animation).

Sunred 10-15-2016 05:25 PM
Regarding the question about jobs that Riders have, here is a list of all the jobs of the Heisei riders
Kuuga: adventurer
Agito: manservant
Ryuki: reporter
Faiz: unemployed
Blade: joker
Hibiki: oni
Kabuto: Japanese Chuck Norris
Den-O: volunteer at sister's cafe, primarily unemployed
Kiba: violin maestro
Decade: nomad destroyer of worlds
W: detective
OOO: bum + freeter
Fourze: Fonzie + everyone's friend
Wizard: unemployed, doughnut otaku
Gaim: fruit god who has an odd-eyed waifu
Drive: cop
Ghost: temple owner
Ex-Aid: doctor-in-training

Switchblade 10-15-2016 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunred (Post 640886)
Regarding the question about jobs that Riders have, here is a list of all the jobs of the Heisei riders
Kuuga: adventurer
Agito: manservant
Ryuki: reporter
Faiz: unemployed
Blade: joker
Hibiki: oni
Kabuto: Japanese Chuck Norris
Den-O: volunteer at sister's cafe, primarily unemployed
Kiba: violin maestro
Decade: nomad destroyer of worlds
W: detective
OOO: bum + freeter
Fourze: Fonzie + everyone's friend
Wizard: unemployed, doughnut otaku
Gaim: fruit god who has an odd-eyed waifu
Drive: cop
Ghost: temple owner
Ex-Aid: doctor-in-training
Takumi worked as an employee in a laundry shop and Kenzaki's job was professional Kamen Riding.

I'd be kind of amused to see a salaryman Rider, even as a secondary or tertiary character.

Sunred 10-16-2016 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Switchblade (Post 640912)
Takumi worked as an employee in a laundry shop and Kenzaki's job was professional Kamen Riding.

I'd be kind of amused to see a salaryman Rider, even as a secondary or tertiary character.
Yeah but ultimately though Kazuma became navy joker and besides BOARD was pretty much done for since the get-go.

Powerman293 10-16-2016 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Sunred (Post 640937)
Yeah but ultimately though Kazuma became navy joker and besides BOARD was pretty much done for since the get-go.
Despite Board going away though Kenzaki was still acting as if he was working for BOARD though. There was a mention of how his paycheck was getting absurdly low from BOARD reserve funds or something.

Switchblade 10-16-2016 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Sunred (Post 640937)
Yeah but ultimately though Kazuma became navy joker and besides BOARD was pretty much done for since the get-go.
That's not really a job, though, that's more of a state of being.

MarsHottentot 10-16-2016 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunred (Post 640886)
Fourze: Fonzie + everyone's friend
AYYYY!
You rule!

Sunred 10-16-2016 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MarsHottentot (Post 640997)
AYYYY!
You rule!
He was awesome in Waterboy :lolol

henshinzero 10-16-2016 05:29 PM
If there was a new rider series based on Ultraman Orb, what rider combinations would you picture?

Ichigo + Kuuga/Double
Nigo + Agito
V3 + Ryuki
Rider + Fourze
X + ?
Amazon + ?
Stronger + Kabuto
Skyrider + ?
Super-1 + ?
ZX + ?
Black/RX + ?
Shin + ?
J + ?
ZO + ?

Would you all see it as a better rider than Decade?

Annuga 10-16-2016 05:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by henshinzero (Post 641005)
If there was a new rider series based on Ultraman Orb, what rider combinations would you picture?

Ichigo + Kuuga/Double
Nigo + Agito
V3 + Ryuki
Rider + Fourze
X + ?
Amazon + ?
Stronger + Kabuto
Skyrider + ?
Super-1 + ?
ZX + ?
Black/RX + ?
Shin + ?
J + ?
ZO + ?

Would you all see it as a better rider than Decade?
ZO+J, Kuuga and Agito, Super-1 and Fourze, Amazon and Shin.
It depends on execution, Decade's flaws had nothing to do with his abilites, but rather the poor writing and unlikable characters

MarsHottentot 10-16-2016 06:24 PM
I'd go Amazon + Hibiki!

I love Decade conceptually (Dr. Who as a Rider dealing with a Crisis on the Infinite Kamen Rider Earths, essentially), it's the execution that's a mess. Still fun.

Switchblade 10-16-2016 07:17 PM
Super-1 and Fourze would definitely have to happen; it's too obvious not to do.

I think a Black/Kiva hybrid might look pretty awesome. I'd mix X and Faiz, too, based mainly on that movie I love where they hang out a lot.


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