Who's the better Villian?
 

Watching Wizard, and ReWatching the last KR season of Fourze, I started comparing the two. Mostly comparing the villians. Personally I like the Hororscopes more. They had more personality, and though I like Medusa's design the Hororscopes and Zodiarts had a better look overall. Even Cockroach Libra.

I still love Wizard. I still like the designs of the Phantoms. But the Horoscopes and Zodiarts were just better. Even of Sagittarius was a bit of a design letdown, I was expecting more somehow.

But what do you guys think? Have the Phantoms won your hearts yet?

JackMoon > every Phantom ever.

The Zodiarts had more motive and personality. Each had a story...the phantoms are way to motw. The hellhound at the beginning I had hopes for...then he got axed and we move on...same with the cat. I liked the idea of monsters living to fight again...it made a greater impact when they were finally defeated. The Lucky Clover from Faiz or the El of Water from Agito are great examples.

I've only seen Wizard so I can't judge here.

The Horoscopes and Zodiarts are far, far superior. The Zodiarts were motivated by their own reasons, sometimes even just reasons corrupted into more sinister actions. They didn't exist solely to do the bidding of the Horoscopes. Watching them you learned of their character, why they're doing what they're doing.

With the Phantoms, they have a personality (Sometimes), but it's nonexistent and they're essentially set pieces for fights so that the series can have an action sequence. There is no depth or wonder, no goals or ambitions. The Phantoms can essentially be treated as drones to the queen bee hierarchy of Phoenix, Medusa, and Wiseman, with only one Phantom even having an ambition beyond obeying the masters (Cait Sith's wish to just sleep all day).

I keep waiting for Sith to ride out on a giant plushie robot. I wish the Phantoms had more personality. Maybe even i they showed how each Phantom was created, it would add some kind of emotion. Otherwise.. meh. I still love Wizard. I just wish he had better villians.

Not one of them could even hold a candle to the weakest Zodiart you could name.

I like the Phantoms a lot more. Phoenix and Medusa are both really fun characters and I like having monsters that are actually monsters again - not people with some kind of switch or largely mindless dolls made out of medals. Phantoms are intelligent, they have a clear goal, and they're not afraid to cause death and destruction to get their way. I think they're the best monsters we've had in years. Zodiarts, on the other hand, were just watered down Dopants and most of the Horoscopes were just standard MotWs.

Monsters being monsters is one thing, but they are just mindless dolls. "Wreck shit and despair" is all they do, they can just speak better than the Yummies.

While the Zodiarts can be seen as a continuation of Dopants, I wouldn't call them watered down, most often because the setting allows for a more interesting set of characters to be attached to.

Phantoms are alright, but yeah..definitely preferred the Zodiarts, at least so far. We'll see what they do with Phantoms as the series goes on.

It's a bit hard to judge considering Fourze is all wrapped up and Wizard's only about a third in. I do enjoy Phoenix and Medusa, but the Zodiarts and Horoscopes were overall more developed as characters than any MOTW Phantom has been so far.